Demon's Souls - Catch All

Just picked up my NG+ run of this game the other night. The road to Platinum has begun!

5-2 down! Beat Dirty Mofo on the first try!

Fedaykin98 wrote:

5-2 down! Beat Dirty Mofo on the first try!

I found world 5 surprisingly easy, once I got over my aversion of it. Now I've tried going back, and have zero interest in slogging through it again. That said... Platinum. Hmm.

The second time I played the game I gave up in 5-2 after falling off the walkway and not being able to find it again.

This time I left 5 until the end, and just ran through to the bosses in one session, never to return. It's not too bad if you are over-leveled.

In general after playing too much Dark Souls I find Demon's to lack some obvious refinements (the upgrade system, for example, is ludicrously dumb) and is just less interesting. The exceptions are the castle areas and 3-1, which are both really nice designs.

Still, props to the game for the lava bow. And, I actually used "hyper mode" a few times, which I would never do in Dark Souls. So there is that.

Demon's Souls had some creepy moments and after 300 hours in Dark Souls I was glad it went on PSN so I could get some Souls style combat in some new environments, but my interest petered out about halfway through the game.

The biggest gripe I had was the sheer space between arch stones combined with the "budget" environmental design made for some long, dull treks. I know some people laud the level size as part of the challenge of the game and weren't happy with Dark Souls' approach, but many of the environments were so dark and unvaried that they became quite boring after repeated runs. Outside of the Demon Ruins (yet another lava level? Argh!) and maybe the Tomb of the Giants I rarely felt that in Dark Souls - the environments feel organic and rich with history.

Yeah, I was going to save my impressions for when I finish the game, but I'm very close now, and I'm surprised anyone thinks Demon's Souls is a better game than Dark Souls.

I much, much prefer the mostly seamless world of DkS to the individual levels of DeS. The story of DeS is pretty interesting, but as far as I can tell, completely unexplored once the game begins. I totally agree with psu_13 about the handful of DeS levels that are really good.

I have just about zero interest in exploring the tendency stuff. Seems like a crazy pain in the butt.

Not sorry I've played the game or anything; it was great to get another Souls game, and playing 1-1 gave me such a great feeling.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Yeah, I was going to save my impressions for when I finish the game, but I'm very close now, and I'm surprised anyone thinks Demon's Souls is a better game than Dark Souls.

Mostly gaming hipsters & hardcore l33t "Go play your baby game" types.

imbiginjapan wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

Yeah, I was going to save my impressions for when I finish the game, but I'm very close now, and I'm surprised anyone thinks Demon's Souls is a better game than Dark Souls.

Mostly gaming hipsters & hardcore l33t "Go play your baby game" types.

Yup... I prefer DkS, but I was very glad I cut my teeth on DeS. I can see how it is aggravating the other way around. The tendency stuff though, some of it is really cool. The story is even more obtuse than DkS though to be sure, but in some ways, all the richer for it.

imbiginjapan wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

Yeah, I was going to save my impressions for when I finish the game, but I'm very close now, and I'm surprised anyone thinks Demon's Souls is a better game than Dark Souls.

Mostly gaming hipsters & hardcore l33t "Go play your baby game" types.

Totally agree; Dark Souls is by a good margin the better game.

Man, Allant is a dick.

Bonfireside Chat has started in on Demon's Souls
http://duckfeed.tv/bonfiresidechat/

drdoak wrote:

Bonfireside Chat has started in on Demon's Souls
http://duckfeed.tv/bonfiresidechat/

Hmm. Even though I found that podcast kind of slow with their Dark Souls playthrough, I'm curious to hear what they have to say about DeS.

5-3 down!

Blessed Longsword upgraded to +5!

Only pre-endgame level remaining is 1-4, and I've been halfway through that before.

By the way,

Spoiler:

there sure are a lot of bosses in DeS that are more puzzles than anything else. I'm cool with using my brain, but I feel like this reduces the difficulty a bit compared to DkS. Which is fine, these bosses might be deeper.

Allant is hard, even for two players. I've been a Phantom twice and haven't seen success yet.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Allant is hard, even for two players. I've been a Phantom twice and haven't seen success yet.

Taking him down solo took some doing. Lots of patience and sticking to the gameplan.

brokenclavicle wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

Allant is hard, even for two players. I've been a Phantom twice and haven't seen success yet.

Taking him down solo took some doing. Lots of patience and sticking to the gameplan.

Yeah, that's what I've learned. SOB can even steal levels from phantoms! What a pisser.

Demon's Souls - DONE!

Bring on Saints Row 4 on Tuesday.

In case anyone is curious, I started as a Temple Knight, and pretty much stuck to that Paladin-esque path the entire game. I think I leveled VIT to 22, End to 30, and Faith to 32. I primarily used a Blessed Longsword, Dragon Longsword, and the Lava Bow.

Blueblood Longsword is my all time favorite weapon in Demon's Souls.

After beating Dark Souls a few weeks ago, I decided to give Demon's Souls a shot. I had played 1-1 through a long while back as a standard sword-and-board Knight, but hadn't really gotten much further than that, so I created a new Magician and gave that a go. I've completed 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, and 4-1, but the level design of 5-1 slowed me down considerably last night. Very reminiscent of Blighttown, but in a much more simplistic (i.e. totally linear) way. Should I continue slogging through 5-1, or jump around a bit?

merphle wrote:

After beating Dark Souls a few weeks ago, I decided to give Demon's Souls a shot. I had played 1-1 through a long while back as a standard sword-and-board Knight, but hadn't really gotten much further than that, so I created a new Magician and gave that a go. I've completed 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, and 4-1, but the level design of 5-1 slowed me down considerably last night. Very reminiscent of Blighttown, but in a much more simplistic (i.e. totally linear) way. Should I continue slogging through 5-1, or jump around a bit?

The design similarities with 5-1 and Blighttown will continue. Basically 5-1 is the area of Blighttown that you first see if you go in from the entrance near the Gaping Dragon.

There is no need to defeat each area in the way you are doing it. It is perfectly acceptable to beat any area entirely then move on to another. I always leave area 5 for later once I've built up my character. It isn't to say it couldn't be done sooner, I just prefer to be strong in area 5.

Does anyone know the actual drop rate of Colorless Demon's souls when you kill the primeval demons? I've hunted down three of them and am 0/3 so far.

merphle wrote:

After beating Dark Souls a few weeks ago, I decided to give Demon's Souls a shot. I had played 1-1 through a long while back as a standard sword-and-board Knight, but hadn't really gotten much further than that, so I created a new Magician and gave that a go. I've completed 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, and 4-1, but the level design of 5-1 slowed me down considerably last night. Very reminiscent of Blighttown, but in a much more simplistic (i.e. totally linear) way. Should I continue slogging through 5-1, or jump around a bit?

I just finished Demon's Souls in August after buying it and a PS3 to play it on last Black Friday - yeah, I took some breaks in there.

Good luck, and yeah, I found world 5 to be the hardest.

psu_13 wrote:

Does anyone know the actual drop rate of Colorless Demon's souls when you kill the primeval demons? I've hunted down three of them and am 0/3 so far.

Wow! That is pretty shoddy luck right there :/ On my first run every single primeval dropped a colorless soul.

I'm not too upset about it because I'm really just playing with world tendency ... but it's surprising.

I've been stuck in Demon's Souls for a couple of weeks (admittedly only playing for an hour or two each week before being at risk of throwing a controller), and after another frustrating morning today something just clicked in my brain and I not only beat Flamelurker, but managed to then roll over Dragon God and Leechmonger on the same life. Might have to keep pushing on in world 5 - I can't for the life of me beat Maneater and I'm finding world 4-2 pretty rough going, particularly that ledge area with the skeletons and nether rays after the first death guy.

Maneater was the hardest boss in the game for me, except possibly the boss of 1-4.

Sonicator wrote:

I've been stuck in Demon's Souls for a couple of weeks (admittedly only playing for an hour or two each week before being at risk of throwing a controller), and after another frustrating morning today something just clicked in my brain and I not only beat Flamelurker, but managed to then roll over Dragon God and Leechmonger on the same life. Might have to keep pushing on in world 5 - I can't for the life of me beat Maneater and I'm finding world 4-2 pretty rough going, particularly that ledge area with the skeletons and nether rays after the first death guy.

Below are my tips for fighting Maneater. There are some unexpected circumstances to the fight some people might like to experience for themselves, so I spoiler tagged it.

Spoiler:

Maneater is best tackled with a friend or two but if you can't manage that, or don't want to, you should remember to keep your back to something solid, like the fog gate at the beginning. Try to take out the first one as quickly as possible. You likely won't be successful in taking him out before the second one shows up, but I find the best tactic is to beat him down close to death, even being a little bit careless. As soon as the second one shows up, I run to the bonfire in the middle and fight with my back to that, or sometimes circling it. Locking on is of limited usefulness in this fight. I think a heavy weapon works well, as they can be staggered if I am not mistaken, and I think bleed damage works against them also.

I also like to

Spoiler:

melee Maneater to death with a Dragon Long Sword

Spoiler:

I seem to recall attacking the tail first and then just running away like crazy, dropping potions and throwing fire until the first one dropped. Then circle the brazier carefully, blocking and dodging and biding your time to get hits in.

One of the tougher bosses for me.

Mine:

Spoiler:

I used the longbow that's a boss soul weapon. As soon as you enter, start firing as quickly as possible. You have to zoom in, not lock on.

By the time he's close enough to almost hit you, zoom out and run away, to the other end of the bridge. Put your back there, and repeat. Then repeat the whole thing.

Sounds easy, but it's still a challenge.