Demon's Souls - Catch All

Yeah I see he's at 166 from his last post. Assuming he stopped after platinum, I've got a while before I'm there. Think I've creeped up to 91, don't really expect to be much higher after finishing up what little I have left. Should be several more days, maybe a week or more, for a NG+ or two before I catch up.

Don't think anyone else with the items is any lower right?

Unfortunately, I'm out of the country for the next month, so I won't be able to help you for a while If you haven't found someone to trade with by Sept. 6, I should be able to help. Still same SL.

World 3 and 4 PBT are done. All I have is 5-2 left for phantom/primeval. Then finally I can finish the game for the first time.

Made it through 3-1 and 3-2 with no deaths and 4-1 and 4-2 with one death to the first phantom, then one death to the very last skeleton before the primeval on 4-2. Not bad for being so rusty. It's all been coming back to me, and these PBT runs have refreshed me on the levels and enemies quite a bit.

I'm almost out of ephemeral eyes though, so I had to finish those runs with both levels together. Couldn't afford to go out and have tendency move white, or I wouldn't have been able to kill myself enough.

And finished!

1-4 was harder than I thought. Not the level, but the boss. I had a strategy going in... Firestorm twice. But executing it was problematic. Couldn't get him close to me. Then got him too close. Then soulsucked. Then I missed with one firestorm and died trying to restore MP. And so on and so on.

Finally though, he jumped over beside me, firestorm, I rolled away, firestorm. Fight over in about 8 seconds.

Endgame was easy, but really it should be after all that you go through to get there. New game is started, but I'll give 1-1 a try later tonight. I really don't want to lose 100k souls just yet.

Congrats on completing your playthrough, Stele!

Am I right in thinking that this will be your first venture into NG+? 1-1 will be a breeze, but after that I suggest you take nothing for granted! 2-1 (Stonefang Tunnel) just about made me cry when I went through it on NG+. It felt like a totally different game...

Yep 2-1 really got me last night. Let me tell you a story...

See it all started with the first game. I did my PBT for world 2 in two parts. So wasted some eyes, but saved some headache of running through one stage into the other. But then when I finished, world tendency was neutral.

So after I was still alive and well through 1-1, I decided to try 2-1. I died, which took it closer to black. I then got the genius idea to go ahead and get PBT out of the way. So I killed myself twice, and voila, PBT. I then proceeded to slog through 2-1. Probably somewhere around 90 minutes of 2-1. Over and over. Losing souls, gaining souls, unlocking shortcuts, dying dying dying...

Just when I thought PBT was a stupid idea, I got the last area to the boss unlocked, which is a pretty short run from the start. Boss only took 3 attempts, before I finally found the right spot to stand that I remembered from my first run. 2-1 done!

Now all I had to do was run down the hall and kill Scirvir. Then I could go back to the nexus, level up, and world 2 would be PWT, and easy to finish. Need Flamelurker before I can do weapon upgrades and all. Of course there's that crystal lizard right at the start. Pew pew, he's dead! Oh sh*t, I'm being attacked by the miner. Aaah! Run!

My health is almost gone, the crystal lizard loot is still on the ground and two miners are after me. I run back to the archstone, where they can't reach me. Yeah that's right, there's an invisible wall separating the levels and they can't pass. Whew, safe. I heal up.

Now do I do the smart thing and blast them with spells? No. I do the dumbest thing ever, thinking they can't cross the line, I run up and melee one of them. The other drills me with his pickaxe.

Dead. 40k souls on the ground.

Crystal lizard loot gone.

But no worry, I can just walk 2 feet from the archstone and get the souls, and continue with Scirvir. No harm really done, just the lizard loot right?

Wrong. Since I was behind the threshold the game respawned me at the start of 2-1 instead of 2-2.

I can't nexus out and just go to 2-2 because the tendency will change, since I killed the primeval and the boss. I just finished 2-1 successfully to the boss multiple times. How hard can it be?

Famous last words... as I died to a black phantom miner, really the only hard fight on the short path from 2-1 to 2-2. All the souls gone.

Well at least I can still go after Scirvir... died again on 2-1... Ok, clearly my head is not in the game anymore, the loss of all that has really screwed me up. I don't really need the item from Scirvir, as I got it the previous run. There's no souls for me to retrieve anymore. To hell with it. Back to nexus, world 2 goes white. Done for the day.

And then of course I remembered the real reason I had wanted to kill BP Scirvir this time. I still need another named BP kill to get white character tendency. Apparently the ones I killed with Death Cloud in my first run don't count as actual kills.

So basically all I got for my 2 hours of effort was a colorless demon soul. Which I could have got just by dying, killing the primeval in about 2 minutes, and then heading back to the nexus, which would have put world 2 right back to neutral. And made 2-1 a whole lot easier in the process. What an idiot.

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If anyone out there still doesn't have this awesome game.

With Dark Souls releasing shortly, I'm finally going to give this game the love it deserves. It's going to be my backlog game for September and I need to make sure that if I can't finish it, I at least see most of the content. I had read this whole thread a few months back but never committed to actually playing the game. I plan on starting fresh: What would be a recommended build for someone who wants to get the most content possible, with somewhat ease, in the shortest time possible? I also don't want to spend half my time on the wiki, so I suppose that should be taken into account.

As far as builds, Royal gives you a nice projectile spell that makes keeping a safe distance much easier. Don't fear the wiki, either. You don't have to go nuts with it, but it helps with weapon info and NPC locations.

General wisdom is to start with a Royal. You get a wand, a decent starter spell, an MP regeneration ring, and start at a lower level. That means level-ups are cheaper, and easier to customize your character the way you want.

Technically there are no classes though. You can spec your character any way you want. And to really finish the game eventually you're going to have to learn some melee combat. Many enemies are resistant to magic.

Temple Knight is another solid start, gives you a heal miracle. Miracles are based on Faith, while Spells are based on Magic. Lots to learn about stats as you gain levels. The wiki is your friend.

Only other start I might suggest would be the basic Knight. He has two types of sword, and a shield. In this game, piercing swords (rapiers) can be used to attack while still holding your shield. Makes things a lot safer at times.

Although just like magic, it won't work for everything. Learning enemy strengths, weaknesses, and attack patterns will be the key to beating the game.

Raising your soul level really just makes the game easier. Aside from equipping certain items that require a minimum stat, you actually don't have to level up at all to beat the game. Although every bit of health, mana, etc will help you survive longer or kill things faster.

Stele wrote:

Temple Knight is another solid start, gives you a heal miracle. Miracles are based on Faith, while Spells are based on Magic. Lots to learn about stats as you gain levels. The wiki is your friend.

Even more importantly, you start with a great halbred, and some decent armor. Learn how to fight without a shield (and dodge a tonne) while wearing armor that you can dodge freely in and you're off to a good start.

Well, damn. I started using the wiki for one thing, and ended up wasting all my playtime for Demon's Souls, reading about Demon's Souls. Which is exactly what I said I wouldn't do. This game is too deep for a min/max'er not to obsess over. Tomorrow: play first and severely limit any wiki use.

My Royal's still in the Nexus. Just one more day to wait.

cyrax wrote:

Well, damn. I started using the wiki for one thing, and ended up wasting all my playtime for Demon's Souls, reading about Demon's Souls. Which is exactly what I said I wouldn't do. This game is too deep for a min/max'er not to obsess over. Tomorrow: play first and severely limit any wiki use.

My Royal's still in the Nexus. Just one more day to wait.

There are only a few key areas of the wiki worth bookmarking and reading through completely:

- The different uses for the boss souls
- Crystal Lizards
- The changes that happen with pure white/pure black tendency

The rest you'll learn for yourself.

I also thought the stats page was pretty useful, detailing what you get and what you can equip with each specific stat increase. As a "mage", trying to figure out when I could hold another spell, or when I could equip certain items was useful for planning where to spend souls.

So, I've beaten Phalanx, picked up all the items under the dragon (not without dying once :P), and have farmed the Red Eyed Knight there a few times. As much as I've read into the game wiki, I think I want to stick with the Royalty's gameplay and be a battlemage; use magic as much as possible, but when the sh*t hits the fan be able to defend myself and use a magic attuned weapon. Whether that means shield + 1h, or 2h/dh, I don't know yet. With that in mind, here are my current stats:

Soul Level: 19
VIT: 19
INT: 13
END: 12
STR: 9
DEX: 12
MAG: 15
FTH: 12
LCK: 7

I tried looking around for battlemage guides/help, but most deal with experienced players or pvp. Right now I'm using the default shield and Scimitar, but I think I'll raise STR to 13 to wield both Winged Spear, and Heater Shield. Finally, as far as I can tell, you really can't go wrong going to any of the other -1 areas, or 1-2, except for 5-1. All have their +'s and -'s.

I run with a Crescent Falchion. Think it's +4 or so now, but it's found in... somewhere... 4-1 maybe?... as a Crescent +1 already. Very good for magic damage, and also recovers MP when you have it out, so you can save up to switch back to spells.

Good news from last week. Servers will stay up at least through 2012.

Guess I will still have time to try for that platinum if I want...

Cyrax, how's your progress?

I think I may try to pick this up today since the price dropped to $20. I would like to play it while the servers are up.

My offer to help still stands if you can get your SL up high enough. I have most of the needed weapons and enchants.

Dyni wrote:

My offer to help still stands if you can get your SL up high enough. I have most of the needed weapons and enchants.

You're still SL 166?

Have to fire it up tonight and see where I left off at. Somewhere around 100 I think.

Stele wrote:
Dyni wrote:

My offer to help still stands if you can get your SL up high enough. I have most of the needed weapons and enchants.

You're still SL 166?

Have to fire it up tonight and see where I left off at. Somewhere around 100 I think.

Don't remember. I'll fire it up after work and let you know.

You all are making me miss my Royal. I wish I could import her into Dark Souls.

Stele wrote:
Dyni wrote:

My offer to help still stands if you can get your SL up high enough. I have most of the needed weapons and enchants.

You're still SL 166?

Have to fire it up tonight and see where I left off at. Somewhere around 100 I think.

I'm still 166.

Stele wrote:

Cyrax, how's your progress?

*clears throat*

Moto Mako SL 55

VIT: 24
INT: 21
END: 13
STR: 14
DEX: 12
MAG: 24
FTH: 20
LCK: 7

The best decisions I've made in the game have been to play a battlemage and to farm the 4-1 Reaper. Both have done alot to make this game more fun, and adjust the difficulty in my favor. I've progressed through 1-1+2, 2-1+2, 3-1, and 4-1+2. I found both 1-2 and 2-1 to be too easy, but an argument could be made that diversity rarely hurts. On the other hand, 4-2 gave me alot of trouble. In retrospect, it's a short level, but those staircases really kicked my mage in the balls. I stopped playing for a week just because I didn't want to die again. When you think you've reached your limits, it's time to think outside the box. So instead of trying to combat and survive, I ran. On my first run I met the slugs. Huge relief at that moment. Oh, and I really dislike 3-1. It wasn't difficult, but it's dark, long, and there's really only one different enemy type.

I just upgraded my Crescent Moon Blade to +4 after beating Flamelurker today. I think my next goal is to kill BP Scrivir and get the much coveted Talisman of Beasts, afterward backtracking and taking out the Primeval. After that I might focus on getting a spell or Lava Bow, but I don't expect to get too far before Dark Souls arrives.

Oh man, and I almost forgot about an unforgettable gaming moment. I was invaded! O.O I got the message that someone entered my world when I was about to setup and take-down the Red Dragon in 1-2. I think I had Second Chance, or some other aura, on because they found me at the first tower immediately. But, I guess that's where I'd look too with a Red Dragon being obnoxious. Even though it was very intense, the battle was on even ground. We both were battlemages, having the same equipment and spells, so it was a fight of attrition. There was some magic tried, but considering the place we fought and our intimacy with magic, it was counterproductive. After only a few heals from myself, and one or two from them, (not to mention my lag) I stood victorious. A game moment I'll always remember: An entity coming into my game, and a tit-for-tat battle on top a tower with a red dragon roaring in the background.

cyrax wrote:

I just upgraded my Crescent Moon Blade to +4 after beating Flamelurker today. I think my next goal is to kill BP Scrivir and get the much coveted Talisman of Beasts, afterward backtracking and taking out the Primeval. After that I might focus on getting a spell or Lava Bow, but I don't expect to get too far before Dark Souls arrives.

Yes! I got that at the very end of my first game and immediately realized how stupid I had been to wait so long. Not having to carry a 2nd item for miracles, and not dealing with the mana penalty of the Insanty Catalyst made all of my casting so much better. Heck after getting ToB I regretted even getting the Catalyst. Should have traded in that boss soul for a spell or whatever.

Stele wrote:
cyrax wrote:

I just upgraded my Crescent Moon Blade to +4 after beating Flamelurker today. I think my next goal is to kill BP Scrivir and get the much coveted Talisman of Beasts, afterward backtracking and taking out the Primeval. After that I might focus on getting a spell or Lava Bow, but I don't expect to get too far before Dark Souls arrives.

Yes! I got that at the very end of my first game and immediately realized how stupid I had been to wait so long. Not having to carry a 2nd item for miracles, and not dealing with the mana penalty of the Insanty Catalyst made all of my casting so much better. Heck after getting ToB I regretted even getting the Catalyst. Should have traded in that boss soul for a spell or whatever.

Good to hear. I'll probably go after it tonight. A question though: After I use the Eyes for PBT, do I have to go back to the Nexus for it to register? I'm not clear on the mechanic.

Yeah you die and revive in that world. And make sure you're offline of course. You don't want the global near white to screw you up. And then head back to the nexus and check the picture, so it's should be full black. Think there are screenshots on the wiki.

Dunno if I'm going to get that platinum after all. Got 2 more weapon trophies tonight. But progress on NG+ is slow. After 3 hours of play tonight, I completed 2-2, leveled up once... and that's it.

I failed at 1-2 and 5-1 enough that I quit playing them. Went back to 3-1, and got a lot of keys, unlocked most of the shorter path to the end, but then died to that last phantom before the boss. So I thought I'd use the key I had to go rescue people on that stage... but I couldn't even find their cells, and kept dying over and over... ugh.

Granted I'm probably just tired. But all that time playing and no souls/levels to show for it, nor level progress... just really really frustrating.

Just finished my 2nd refresher playthrough and my first NG+. I despaired at times, but felt all the more fantastic when it was bested.

Stele wrote:

Dunno if I'm going to get that platinum after all. Got 2 more weapon trophies tonight. But progress on NG+ is slow. After 3 hours of play tonight, I completed 2-2, leveled up once... and that's it.

I failed at 1-2 and 5-1 enough that I quit playing them. Went back to 3-1, and got a lot of keys, unlocked most of the shorter path to the end, but then died to that last phantom before the boss. So I thought I'd use the key I had to go rescue people on that stage... but I couldn't even find their cells, and kept dying over and over... ugh.

Granted I'm probably just tired. But all that time playing and no souls/levels to show for it, nor level progress... just really really frustrating.

Sounds like a new player dealing with 1-1. You'll probably get use to the difficulty, but if you're without hope just look forward to more ass-kicking in Dark Souls.