Demon's Souls - Catch All

casual_alcoholic wrote:

Wow, NG+ is about 10x easier than the first play through. It's like cheats have been turned on or something. Once you know the strats for each level and boss, the game is incredibly easy. I've flown through 4 and a half of the 5 worlds in just a few hours. All I have left are 1-3 and 1-4. The platinum is in reach! Speaking of which, has anyone actually gotten the Platinum yet? How hard is NG++ and NG+++, those are what I'm really worried about. I feel like my equipment and skills have hit sort of a ceiling, which is great at the moment, but is going to be hard again. Can never be too careful with this game.

According to the wiki, NG+ is a 40% bump from NG, but then every subsequent + only adds +8% difficulty.

casual_alcoholic wrote:

Also, I've learned the awfulness that is rolling a female character when there's gender specific armor. I feel like some of the best armor in the game is off limits to me. Does anyone know what the best set of gear is for a female character?

Oh man.... totally agree. I wear the binded set, for what its worth.

Personally I wear what looks good. I got a vampire hunter d kind of look I was sporting for a while. Now I got twin fang mix up look.

casual_alcoholic wrote:

Wow, NG+ is about 10x easier than the first play through. It's like cheats have been turned on or something. Once you know the strats for each level and boss, the game is incredibly easy. I've flown through 4 and a half of the 5 worlds in just a few hours. All I have left are 1-3 and 1-4. The platinum is in reach! Speaking of which, has anyone actually gotten the Platinum yet?

I had the same reaction. I could tell there was a good step up in the amount of damage I took when hit, but by NG+ I knew the levels well enough that getting hit wasn't a frequent occurrence like it was the first time through. Each NG+ after that first wasn't as big or noticeable a jump. I finished up my platinum last January. I could look through this thread to find the date... but that would take more effort than I wish to expend. Basically as soon as I got the pure bladestone to drop I finished my last trophy... everything else had been done for a week prior to that.

casual_alcoholic wrote:

Also, I've learned the awfulness that is rolling a female character when there's gender specific armor. I feel like some of the best armor in the game is off limits to me. Does anyone know what the best set of gear is for a female character?

I find that amusing because the gender specific items I found interesting were all female specific and I couldn't use them.

RoughneckGeek wrote:
casual_alcoholic wrote:

Wow, NG+ is about 10x easier than the first play through. It's like cheats have been turned on or something. Once you know the strats for each level and boss, the game is incredibly easy. I've flown through 4 and a half of the 5 worlds in just a few hours. All I have left are 1-3 and 1-4. The platinum is in reach! Speaking of which, has anyone actually gotten the Platinum yet?

I had the same reaction. I could tell there was a good step up in the amount of damage I took when hit, but by NG+ I knew the levels well enough that getting hit wasn't a frequent occurrence like it was the first time through. Each NG+ after that first wasn't as big or noticeable a jump. I finished up my platinum last January. I could look through this thread to find the date... but that would take more effort than I wish to expend. Basically as soon as I got the pure bladestone to drop I finished my last trophy... everything else had been done for a week prior to that.

casual_alcoholic wrote:

Also, I've learned the awfulness that is rolling a female character when there's gender specific armor. I feel like some of the best armor in the game is off limits to me. Does anyone know what the best set of gear is for a female character?

I find that amusing because the gender specific items I found interesting were all female specific and I couldn't use them.

I think I just really wanted to wear King Doran's Armor.

RoughneckGeek wrote:

I find that amusing because the gender specific items I found interesting were all female specific and I couldn't use them.

Heh, same here. I messed around with a male magician to SL 30 or so before settling on my female knight. I was pretty upset when I realized I couldn't use these.

Stele, I'm sitting on about 400k souls atm and I'm scared to set foot anywhere other than the Nexus before spending them. I think I'll be a few levels out of range to trade with you if I spend them all now, so are you free tonight or tomorrow to set something up? SL 109, btw.

Edit: Man, this is a dangerous game to play after spending a bunch of time with Assassin's Creed. I've almost attacked NPCs 3 times now from trying to run with R1.

Re: Gender-specific armor - It does indeed suck that females miss out on Doran's armor. I really like Selen's armor, so that's what I run around in. I used a combination of the Binded and Rogue's sets before I got my Endurance high enough to move quickly in Selen's. I believe it's called the Dull Gold Set.

The flipside is Female characters get the Ragged set, which is by far the best armor for World 5 as it has the highest disease resistance in the game. The Rogue's set is also pretty good and female only.

One of my favorite web comics, Ctrl+Alt+Del has been doing strips on Demon's Souls recently. They start here: A test of faith

NG++ is hard again. Even if it was a slight increase, it was just enough to make flamelurker a painfully difficult fight again.

Maneater is not fun on NG+++. I'm honestly not sure I'm going to be able to get this platinum afterall.

casual_alcoholic wrote:

Maneater is not fun on NG+++. I'm honestly not sure I'm going to be able to get this platinum afterall.

Believe! I just hopped back in last night and am about to finish my 2nd playthrough. Why is Maneater giving you so much trouble this time?

casual_alcoholic wrote:

Maneater is not fun on NG+++. I'm honestly not sure I'm going to be able to get this platinum afterall.

Maneater gave me the most trouble of any of the bosses. He was the one I could count on having to attempt multiple times every play through.

Dyni wrote:
casual_alcoholic wrote:

Maneater is not fun on NG+++. I'm honestly not sure I'm going to be able to get this platinum afterall.

Believe! I just hopped back in last night and am about to finish my 2nd playthrough. Why is Maneater giving you so much trouble this time?

I persevered. I always have trouble finishing off the first one before the second arrives. A lot of time it felt like luck, but once I managed to strike the finishing blow, it was easy. I have no problem fighting one of them. but yeh....

I got the Platinum! Very excited. This game surprised the sh*t out of me, and I never would have imagined it would be my third Platinum trophy. The game is just so incredibly well done. Thanks for all the help and advice, I feel like early on I was in this forum every 10 minutes asking another question, and you guys came through for me. I feel like every game I play for the next few months is going to be really weird to me. Getting hit and only taking a tiny amount of damage is going to feel foreign and strange.

Maneater wasn't a problem for me. However, I did have to fight him a couple of times because of a glitch where one of the maneaters would get lost and I had to reload the level.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Maneater wasn't a problem for me. However, I did have to fight him a couple of times because of a glitch where one of the maneaters would get lost and I had to reload the level.

That bug struck me a handful of times too. Basically, if you hit him to put him in the prone state and your hit made him tumble off the bridge then you're screwed.

Do you think the Land of the Giants was cut in post? I just noticed that one of the archstones is broken and the land is mentioned in the intro. Too bad it didn't get added in DLC or something. That would have been awesome.

I just watched the Project Dark trailer, there's no way in hell Project Dark isn't Demon's Souls 2 from those brief clips. Can't wait. Nice to see it coming to 360 as well, I'd love to see this franchise get even more fans. Although I'm not sure 360 has the audience for it.

casual_alcoholic wrote:

Do you think the Land of the Giants was cut in post? I just noticed that one of the archstones is broken and the land is mentioned in the intro. Too bad it didn't get added in DLC or something. That would have been awesome.

I think so. I'm betting the tower knight and the blind hero were from the land of the giants.

@All

An article on Joystiq announcing that Project Dark's name has changed to Dark Souls http://www.joystiq.com/2011/02/01/da....

It will have a full release in both North America and Europe.

Aaaaaaiiiiiieeeee!!!!! I am SO excited by this latest news.

From Software is planning to make Dark Souls as difficult as its predecessor, and similar in style.

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No, I'm not excited.

@garion333 & Dyni

Like you, I am positively priapic with excitement. It's going to be cold showers now until release (oo-er!)

What's weird is that I am getting excited about the prospect of having my ass handed to me every five minutes, of being humiliated semi-publicly.

Do you know what? Part of me hopes that Dark Souls is even more brutal than its predecessor! Yes, From Software. Bring more pain. Hell... come to my house and whip me if you must... And steal sh*t when I'm not looking...

@ahrezmendi

Thanks for that. That's exactly how I feel about Demons Souls/Dark Souls!

But do you think From Software will allow us to designate a safe word...?

Damn...better get back to tackling the first one then.

Newb question : Is there a particular order to tackling the worlds or should I skirt around the outer areas of each first - e.g : I've finished 1.1 (beating that phalanx blob thing) but got spanked by the big knight thing at the end of 1.2. Should I instead tackle 2.1, 3.1, etc first before pressing any deeper into any of the zones?

Just looking for relatively vague starter help at the moment - trying to tackle as much as possible without resorting to walkthroughs, etc.

@stevenmack

In theory you can tackle the Worlds in any order. However, most players tend to go 2.1, 3.1, 1.2, 4.1 once the game opens up.

2.1 opens up access to a Blacksmith who will help you craft special weapons;
3.1 is as creepy as hell, but has one of the easier end-level bosses;
1.2 is a pretty straightforward run to the boss if you can kill or avoid the Red Dragon.
4.1 is a pain, with perhaps the toughest standard enemies of all the levels, but it leads to 4.2 - the game's best farming spot.

A couple of suggestions though:

One, farm 1-1 as much as you can so that you can level up. Initially I focussed on just running through the entire level a few times. Then, once I'd gone up a few levels, I farmed the Red-Eyed Knight relentlessly. That can be hard or easy depending on your class.

Two, choose your class carefully. Choosing the Royal, for example, makes the game much easier early on (too easy say some). Choosing the Magician makes it very difficult. I chose the Knight on my first attempt, and regretted it very quickly (and went with the Royal instead). I was stuck with meleeing when I wasn't quite good enough at dodging, lacked HP and didn't know the enemy types well enough. Also, some of the early bosses (like the Tower Knight, as you've discovered) are very hard to melee, and it can take a very long time to learn their patterns.

The bottom line is that a number of classes in DS are there with second and third playthroughs in mind, rather than new players. The Barbarian class springs to mind here.

detroit20 wrote:

One, farm 1-1 as much as you can so that you can level up. Initially I focussed on just running through the entire level a few times. Then, once I'd gone up a few levels, I farmed the Red-Eyed Knight relentlessly. That can be hard or easy depending on your class.

There are many ways to play the game, so Detroit isn't wrong per se, but if you have very little tolerance for grinding (like me) then I would avoid this suggestion like the plague.

After beating 1-1 you should be capable of besting any of the other X-1 levels.... I like 3-1 because, once you learn how to deal with them, the mindflayers give a lot of souls per kill and are relatively risk free targets. (Hint: Sneak up behind them, backstab, flee, rinse, repeat). Also, 3-1 is full of unlockable shortcuts, so you are never forced to repeat large segments of the level once you open a new door.

You can level up acceptably without grinding if you do this..... just be sure to return to the nexus to spend your souls as you get deeper and deeper into the levels.

Oh, frabjous day! Calloo callay!

Yes, AndrewA is right that all of the X-1 worlds are do-able after 1-1, without the tedium of grinding. However, I think it is also true to say that the all X-1 worlds look a hell of a lot easier in retrospect (I'm thinking particularly remember how much pain even 1-1 could inflict when I was were new to the game, and how simple it was once I'd learned it).

Also, the challenges of each level are very different. The enemies in 4-1 are ALL capable of one-shotting you in NG, which is why some hefty bumps in HP can be really useful. And 5-1 has some unique environmental features, and you won't have the items you require to counter them if you pile in there after only completing 1-1.

Whatever you choose, you've come to a good place to seek advice. Between us we've probably all had a go at various classes and strategies, and can offer some words of advice... though not comfort, I suspect.

What I can say for certain is that you're going to have more 'fist-punching-air' moments in Demons Souls than in any other game you've played. For me, it was completing 1-3 was my touchdown dance moment...

detroit20 wrote:

For me, it was completing 1-3 was my touchdown dance moment...

Beating Flamelurker the first time. That bastard...

Dyni wrote:
detroit20 wrote:

For me, it was completing 1-3 was my touchdown dance moment...

Beating Flamelurker the first time. That bastard...

Beating the 1-2 boss as a melee character here. I'd though I could play the game without a bow. hah, was I ever foolish. =P