Random thing you loathe right now.

mudbunny wrote:
Jonman wrote:

Whichever unfortunate soul at work saw fit to leave his literally-sh*t-filled underpants on the bathroom floor.

You need to write into DGRadio with this poo crime.

Yup.

Coldstream wrote:

Low-life, scum-sucking, crystal-healing, chakra-balancing, cupping, needling motherf*cking quacks.
(. . .)
f*ck you.

Amen brother, my torch and pitchfork await your orders.

Serious question - can these people be sued? From my igloo it seems like malpractice suits are fairly common place down there and I would think even a single successful suit would reign this stuff in a fair bit. Surely 'freedom of religion' or 'entertainment' only grant them so much leeway... but then I have no idea what absurd contract they force you to sign when to make use of these "services".

Coldstream wrote:

Low-life, scum-sucking, crystal-healing, chakra-balancing, cupping, needling motherf*cking quacks.
(. . .)
f*ck you.

pitchfork + eleventy billion.

krev82 wrote:

Serious question - can these people be sued?

Well, theoretically anyone can be sued. However, due to the way they've positioned themselves legally, it's extraordinarily difficult to bring any sort of accountability to the 'alternative' practitioners. Due to extremely heavy lobbying on the almost criminally lucrative alternative medicine racketeers, there are two major pillars to their immunity.

The first is that all of the alternative medicines are considered 'food supplements'. This is critical, since standard medications are required by law to be shown to be both safe and effective (within reason). In contrast, as a food, alternative medications are not required to demonstrate safety or efficacy before being allowed on the market, and can only be withdrawn from the market if the FDA can produce evidence that the alternative medications are actively harmful (i.e. full of heavy metals like many of the 'supplements' from China).

The second pillar is that alternative treatments are considered to be entertainment, rather than true medical treatment, in the eyes of the law. Again, this means that there is no requirement to demonstrate safety and efficacy before these services are sold to the public. And even in cases where clear and indisputable harm has been demonstrated (e.g. ear candling) and the FDA has banned the treatment, there is virtually no enforcement.

Finally, I personally believe that part of the blame rests with the real medical community. Over the past decade or so, there has been a huge push for "inclusiveness" and exhortations to be "non-judgmental" with respect to non-physician practitioners. The result has been a huge push for additional privileges by the mid-levels (which is fine with adequate training) and a staggering increase in alternative practitioners passing themselves off as doctors. A physician friend of mine got a massage a while ago and the masseuse introduced herself as "Doctor Karen". When my friend inquired as to where she went to medical school, the masseuse informed her that she was a "Doctor of Health", complete with a printed out diploma from some online course. With a politically passive physician base (who, in my highly biased opinion, are probably more concerned with treating patients than playing politics), there has been no push to ensure that patients are properly informed as to who holds what role in their care. Right now, if you see a long white coat on someone in a hospital, it could be a doctor, nurse, PA, or freaking janitor. With patients already afraid and confused, that just isn't right.

If physicians would stand up as a group and denounce the quacks both publicly and politically, I think things would get much better.

You know the real tragedy though? There's probably some good medicine hidden in the middle of all that quackery, but we'll never find it as long as the crystal-healers are allowed to pass themselves off as untouchable medical doctors.

Edit: Thanks for letting me get all that stuff off my chest, guys. I didn't realise how angry I was about it until I started writing.

You know what's good for anger? Quartz.

Bonus_Eruptus wrote:

You know what's good for anger? Quartz.

Yeah, it's nice and sharp. Can (and has been) used for arrow and spear heads. *nod nod*

@Coldstream.

I feel your pain. I have managed to convince my wife to not let my mother-in-law take our daughters to chiropractors for their excema. It took many, many hours.

mudbunny wrote:

@Coldstream.

I feel your pain. I have managed to convince my wife to not let my mother-in-law take our daughters to chiropractors for their excema. It took many, many hours.

Sweet Jebus, that doesn't make ANY sense. I go to a chiropractor for spinal manipulation due to a motorcycle accident. She is one of the good ones, no meal supplements, ointments, fish oil, crystal crap, just honest to goodness, skeletal realignment of misaligned structure, based on xrays, and comparative analysis of results (that good stuff Coldstream mentioned hidden in all the quackery).

How the f*ck could your mother-in-law think internal structural manipulation would help a dermatological condition?

Thank you for that detailed and informative answer Coldstream, I loathe that the broader situation has gotten so out of hand that these snake oil vendors will never come to any sort of justice.

m0nk3yboy wrote:

How the f*ck could your mother-in-law think internal structural manipulation would help a dermatological condition?

The pushed claim is usually something along the lines of

Your body is capable of naturally healing itself from anything, nervous system interference is what stops from doing so. Chiropractic Adjustment can remove this nerve system interference, allowing the body to function optimally.

If you skim around you can find claims of it fixing excema, asthma, cancer, glaucoma, and even blindness. One human brain + "expert" telling it stuff + ton of anecdotal "evidence" + wishful or hopeful thinking = snake oil buyer.

When I was a kid, my best friend's mother was into that bullsh*t crystal healing crap. She also had him taking no kidding, over 20 different supplements a day, most of which were those hemeopathic things that are diluted so much that they essentially have 0 active ingredients. When I was over, she wouldn't let us eat anything until she passed her crystals over it and often, she would throw out perfectly good food she had just prepared or taken out of the package because the crystals "said" something was wrong with it. Once his Dad (who was whipped within an inch of his life but finally grew a set one day for a brief period) told her enough was enough, she stopped throwing food out but still insisted that it be "purified" with her crystals before we could eat it. After a while, I almost entirely stopped going there and always had my friend over to my place instead. I can't stand that woman or anyone who has beliefs like that and attempts to push them as "medicine". If you want to be stupid with your own health in whatever way, that's your choice and as a free society, you should be free to make your own dumb choices. But when you start infiltrating the medical establishment, you've gone too far and need to be stopped.

Ugh, sorry for the rant. Coldstream's post just reminded me how frustrating stuff like that is. :/

Anyone know of a foundation that runs ad campaigns to educate people about this alternative healing garbage and get them to see a real doctor?

Got a nice letter in the mail from the company I interviewed with several weeks back. Glad they let me know I wasn't selected for the job, but really bummed cause it was a good fit for me, and I nailed the interview. Now I get to second guess how it went, and if I asked for too much money. I think i'm going to just fall back on the knowledge that they were interviewing a couple people from within the company, and that they decided to promote from within.

Playing mini devil's advocate for a second here... and maybe this should get it's own thread at some point seeing how riled up most of us are about this. But how much responsibility for her actions should the woman take or bare for seeing the quack and not getting a second opinion founded in western science? Don't get me wrong i'm not saying that because of her... trust of this quack she deserves to die good lord no, but can we put all the blame on this jack ass who sold her quartz and and mint tea as a way to balance her chakra's? or is it a 90/10 split 50/50/ 20/80?

Cayne wrote:

Playing mini devil's advocate for a second here... and maybe this should get it's own thread at some point seeing how riled up most of us are about this. But how much responsibility for her actions should the woman take or bare for seeing the quack and not getting a second opinion founded in western science? Don't get me wrong i'm not saying that because of her... trust of this quack she deserves to die good lord no, but can we put all the blame on this jack ass who sold her quartz and and mint tea as a way to balance her chakra's? or is it a 90/10 split 50/50/ 20/80?

Sure, but usually when someone is conned (for the first time) you don't blame the victim because they were stupid enough to fall for it. Fool me once and all that.

gregrampage wrote:
Cayne wrote:

Playing mini devil's advocate for a second here... and maybe this should get it's own thread at some point seeing how riled up most of us are about this. But how much responsibility for her actions should the woman take or bare for seeing the quack and not getting a second opinion founded in western science? Don't get me wrong i'm not saying that because of her... trust of this quack she deserves to die good lord no, but can we put all the blame on this jack ass who sold her quartz and and mint tea as a way to balance her chakra's? or is it a 90/10 split 50/50/ 20/80?

Sure, but usually when someone is conned (for the first time) you don't blame the victim because they were stupid enough to fall for it. Fool me once and all that.

Plus, the problem is the acupuncturist to her, for all intents and purposes was a "Doctor." That is part of the problem. They can sell themselves as a credible source, but have tons of loopholes to hide behind when their "advice" goes sour.

On a semi-related note. Pediatricians are starting to refuse to take on unvaccinated kids. I know this will cause a sh*t-storm, but I'm all for it. You want to risk your kids' lives by not vaccinating them? I think you're horribly, horribly wrong and I hope that your child will never have to pay the price for your unmitigated ignorance and / or stupidity, but it's your choice. However, if you put my newborn daughter at risk of pertussis because she's too young to receive the vaccine, I will kneecap you.

Man, f*ck psuedoscience in general. This article probably belongs in the 'love' thread.

Rallick wrote:

On a semi-related note. Pediatricians are starting to refuse to take on unvaccinated kids.

Good for them.

Yonder wrote:
Rallick wrote:

On a semi-related note. Pediatricians are starting to refuse to take on unvaccinated kids.

Good for them.

Good for the docs, however, thing I hate: How in the f*ck is refusing patients controversial? And how the f*ck do they get off painting these doctors in a light that could possibly be conceived of as remotely negative? f*ck media outlets.

AnimeJ wrote:
Yonder wrote:
Rallick wrote:

On a semi-related note. Pediatricians are starting to refuse to take on unvaccinated kids.

Good for them.

Good for the docs, however, thing I hate: How in the f*ck is refusing patients controversial? And how the f*ck do they get off painting these doctors in a light that could possibly be conceived of as remotely negative? f*ck media outlets.

I can see how it will be painted that way: Imagine your young daughter has a weird growth on her skin, you bring her to the doctor to have it checked out like any good parent. The Doctor refuses to see hasn't had a shot, and the growth gets larger. blah. blah. blah.
That's exactly how those ignorant mother f*ckers will try to portray it.

Aside from the whole "infecting other children in the waiting room" which is more than enough of a reason all by itself, as a Doctor I wouldn't want to treat a child who hadn't been vaccinated simply because I'd always have to wonder what other medical instructions I was giving the parents that were being completely ignored.

University bureaucracy.

I just want to enrol in classes, and get my studies underway for this year.

You offer a specialised program for getting industry wise individuals converted to accredited Degrees and Masters Degrees, why is it so hard for the people employed to do this job, to do said tasks?

I started this dialogue with you guys in mid November. I resigned from work, based on your assurances, and my wife and I swapped roles in being the bread winner. Why are you still dicking me around in February, two weeks before my Semester 1 classes are due to commence and still no confirmed timetable for the units I need?

Yes I got some exercise walking from one end of the campus to the other this morning for more than 3 hours, getting different people to view different pieces of paper, all the while being surprised at the level of real world experience I had. My question is, why the f*ck didn't you get me to do this nearly 3 months ago when enrolments were less hectic?

On the plus side, I learnt that academics at this Campus (at least in the design field) fear real world Designers with almost two decades of experience.

EDIT:
F*ck me, now I'm being referred to some other f*ckwit in another department. DO YOUR F*CKING JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Minor Loathes: First real vacation in almost a year...aaaaand I'm laid out with a really nasty headcold and a strange, mild infection in my right eye. I'm hoping it's just irritation from a poor job of removing a contact lens and not something worse.

Worse, I'm staying with my parents, and my dad just got over a nasty chest cold, and my little nieces also just recovered from being sick. I've basically isolated myself in the spare bedroom in the basement.

Also created, and then cancelled, my S&T plans for the weekend. I was really looking forward to playing some games and hanging out. At least I have all this time to convelesce.

Amoebic wrote:

At least I have all this time to convelesce.

In an effort to prove my theory that there is an appropriate Fifth Element quote for every situation I'll leave this here

Stories like Coldstream's make me think that God Bless America movie was a wasted opportunity. We have bigger problems than vapid celebrities.

LobsterMobster wrote:

Stories like Coldstream's make me think that God Bless America movie was a wasted opportunity. We have bigger problems than vapid celebrities.

So uh...

Spoiler:

Murderous

road trip this summer?

Loathe - The wave of strikes flooding this city.

Stomach flu and kids.
Up all night.
The house smells like barf, the kid smells like barf, I smell like barf, my wife smells like roses [I mean barf, but I can't say that] the carpet has barf on it, the bedding has barf on it, the clothes have barf on them.

And, I just took next week off work and paid $600 for a course to get my next level of certification for ski teaching; and told two clients I either couldn't meet their deadline, and/or take the overflow job because I paid for this course in January, and I don't think I can get my money back.

Here's to a longer than one week incubation period.

Anything with the words "Capability Maturity Model" in it. x10,000 if it also has the word "People".

A completely mild loathe:

DVD players that don't work. I love the movie Tommy Boy, and it's one of the few movies I like to re-watch (once or twice a year). If things are getting me down I pop that movie in and I'm risen up on the fatman funny-wings of Chris Farley. Well, my PC DVD drive has been making weird noises for a few weeks now, and I think it destroyed the disc. It really saddened me, much like the despair I felt at watching my cat kickbox my "lucky chipmunk" around the deck like a football (I hand-fed a chipmunk for a few months on my porch, and then one day let my cat out for some un-supervised grass-munching-time. . She wasn't after grass that day.) I wanted to watch the movie, but it locked up my whole computer.

Plus, my girlfriend is pissed at me for taking her to see Chronicle; she hates scary/sad movies, and it turns out this was both. I thought it sounded fun (heck, I liked it quite a bit), and woe unto me for not analyzing it a bit more deeply before going to see it with her.

Minor, minor! But still loathable!

On the bright side, I managed to rip R.E.M.'s Green album before my DVD drive went completely bust, so that's improved my mood a fair bit! *Chilling out to World Leader Pretend*

Those few people that ruin it for everybody.

Also, unrelated, being the only person left in a small IT dept. I was busy enough before, this should be a trip...

Having no family to call on in times of need.

Specifically, when your 2.5 year old won't stop coughing, can't catch her breathe, and just keeps pointing at her head in between coughs and fountains of mucus saying owie-owie.

Knowing that my wife is now driving to the emergency room of the local children's hospital at 10.30 at night, with the little one on her lap, after we both tried to comfort her and calm her down for the last 30 minutes.

Knowing that there is absolutely f*ck all I can do to help either of them, except stay home and keep an eye on our eldest (4).

Realizing that this iPad and you guys are the only comfort/distraction available to me, and the only reason I am sitting here right now typing this is to save myself climbing up the walls with worry.

If I was a religous man, I'd be tempted to be making some pretty crazy deals right now. Hang in there little one, Daddy wants another cuddle real soon.