[WoW] AH "antics"

I just sold 2 recipes on the Alliance AH.
Longjaw Mudsnapper and - I think - Brillaint Smallfish, for 2.4g and 3.3g respectively. Both recipes are available from, if I recall, the trade vendor in Goldshire for a few silver. That's just ridumbulous.

Edit: Also the person I got all those Eternal Fires from sends me a /tell every time I log in, trying to get me to buy more. Usually at just above what is posted on the AH in her own name! My max on those is 12g since market is around 14-15-16. Eventually, she gives in and does the alt-dance to get me 10 Eternal Fires at 12g. I don't know why she thinks I'm going to overpay. Easy money for me, though, and always a supply if I need to make titansteel or the wife needs some for tailoring.

That guy! "hey m8, do you need eternal fires?"

I get a tell once every few days from that person too. No idea where his stockpile of eternal fires come from.

Syboria. Has an alt that lives in SW, probably just for deliveries.

Edit: Always selling Eternal Fires AND Relics of Ulduar. Always those two. Never anything else.

Probably that damn NE hunter I always see grinding revenants outside of Hodir. Goes from the earth to the fire and back for hours on end.

I'm beginning to see why the prices for Eternals crashed so hard. Finally got out to WG to do the non-combat dailies. I killed maybe 12-14 mobs to pick up the 10 Imbued Horde Armor. I ended up with 15 crystallized water. Which is great, because I need Eternal Water for leatherworking patterns.

@ ducki: Recipes are big business. If you're ever in STV, there are two goblins who sell engineering recipes that I can mark up by ridiculous amounts. Also, the cooking recipes you buy in northern Felwood (the ones that require bear flanks) are extremely lucrative. It's way out of the way, and you need those recipes (Charred Bear Kabob and Juicy Bear Burger) if you want any realistic shot of boosting your cooking to 300.

It's way out of the way, and you need those recipes (Charred Bear Kabob and Juicy Bear Burger) if you want any realistic shot of boosting your cooking to 300.

I distinctly remember that stretch of powerleveling cooking. I purchased the recipes on the AH for about triple what they were worth, realized there was NO bear flanks on the AH and ended up having to farm about 50 bears in Felwood anyway.

derp.

My bank alt thanks you, Seth.

Wanna buy a small pet?

I just levelled cooking on my mage, and that 250 to 300 stretch was complete ass. I always wondered why the random bear flank I picked up during levelling was worth so much on the AH.

@ ducki: Recipes are big business. If you're ever in STV, there are two goblins who sell engineering recipes that I can mark up by ridiculous amounts. Also, the cooking recipes you buy in northern Felwood (the ones that require bear flanks) are extremely lucrative. It's way out of the way, and you need those recipes (Charred Bear Kabob and Juicy Bear Burger) if you want any realistic shot of boosting your cooking to 300.

See, that's what I was pointing out, though.The two recipes I made a stupid margin on are extremely low level, vendor-available in freaking Goldshire, and NOT required to progress your cooking. Any level 1 alt can go get these. And apparently make good money on them.
The out-of-the-way vendors make sense. It's a pain to get there. You're paying a hefty convenience fee. Kind of like the First Aid books from Arathi.
But first-tier cooking recipes available in Goldshire? GTFO!
The great thing is, I found a mod recently that tells me in my tooltip if a recipe is Vendor-bought, WHICH vendors sell it, WHICH zone they're in, and HOW MUCH they sell it for. That makes it easy for me to see if I can easily horn in on some monopolist's trade. If I can run out to Goldshire, spend a couple silver and turn it into 3-4 gold, you can bet I'll be planning a trip.

Ducki I won't lie, I'm often the consumer of overpriced AH stuff -- like I said previously, I purchased the majority of my pre-Wrath recipes on AH, and I knew I was doing it at double and triple the cost I could just go get them. Even though my wife is an herbalist/alchemist and can make me the flasks I need, I often just buy flasks on the AH for double what I could get.

Why?

Because I have lots of gold. I don't have enough for things like the Mekgineer's chopper, the darkmoon card, or the traveler's mammoth, but I have enough that I can bleed 100-200g a day to AH sharks and still be well within net profit -- and that's at a relatively low gold grind (I waste a lot of time by doing the stupid Hodir dailies). I'm buying the convenience of not taking the tram to SW, mounting to Goldshire, and coming back, and that's worth it for me.

Honestly I have no explanation for the eternal/mote mismatch, as I always check both areas when purchasing (same for greater/lesser essences and dream shards). But the convenience factor is a huge one for us lazy folks padding the wallets of the AH sharks -- and it's a helluva convenience, I have absolutely no problem with the upcharges.

Aries wrote:
I just levelled cooking on my mage, and that 250 to 300 stretch was complete ass. ...

I was browsing the patch notes and apparently the 250-300 stretch is being reworked again. As it stands now, I have to do a quest or two in Silithus to get my warrior from 290 to 300. After that, cooking is pretty easy.

@ Ducki -- surprisingly the margins on First Aid manuals aren't great because the keep where they're sold isn't far from Ironforge. The market on my server usually has several, which keeps the price down. But I like your Goldshire venture. I'll have to try that out. Got any more hot leads?

Speaking of making a fortune on stupid crap, my chin still hurts from my jaw hitting my desk after reading this. Apparently on this guy's server, "The Green Hills of Stranglethorn" ranks very high on the Azeroth Times' bestseller list. Who knew?

Got any more hot leads?

Every time you're at a trade vendor - or any vendor that sells recipes, especailly the limited quantity ones - check the market price in your Auctioneer tooltip. The posting fees are ridiculously low on these things, and recipes are generally very cheap - we're talking a few silver, often times.

Anytime you might be able to turn 1s into 1g, you'd be a fool not to shoot it off to your AH mule.

Here's my latest favorite Auction House blog: wowenomics.wordpress.com. Smart and practical.

The profit margin on Elune Stones are ridiculous. As far as I can tell there's only two other people on my server selling them, and regardless of what we charge every monday they all get bought out.

Another good trick is to frequently check the consumable item enchantments throughout the week, snatch up whatever's cheap and then repost them on friday. It seems that too many of the players crafting the item enchantments don't realize what they are actually worth and just toss them up on the AH for an arbitrarily small sum.

New experiment - bought every limited quanitity item in the Trade/Crafter area of Dalaran - recipes, mats, bags - and will try selling them on AH. Maybe folks that don't have Lich King can still buy these things. That would at least explain them paying a premium. Who knows, we'll see.

Also, the cooking recipes for fish I mentioned are actually available at the fishing trainer IN STORMWIND. Less than 30 seconds away from the AH. I'll bet money they're also available in IF. But people pay for them.

Edit: Precise Scarlet Rubies continue to cool. I'm selling regularly at 88g buyout, instead of 98 a couple weeks ago. Too much competition. If they drop below 80, I'll just change to selling the Rubies uncut.

Enix wrote:
Speaking of making a fortune on stupid crap, my chin still hurts from my jaw hitting my desk after reading this. Apparently on this guy's server, "The Green Hills of Stranglethorn" ranks very high on the Azeroth Times' bestseller list. Who knew?

I was curious enough to try this. In ~10 mins I turned ~16g worth of pages into 30g. Very easy and nice.

**update** i did a quick run down in Stanglethorn and also bought some more and made 35g after asking once in the SW trade channel. Seems like an easy way for low lvls to get gold.

**update #2** It was so easy to get someone to buy it for 35g the 3rd time around that I think I will try 50g next time. Seems like it should be easy enough to do that.

Well, it looks like Saturday Afternoon is the time to sell Precise Scarlet Rubies. I can get mid-90s for them still. But that's only 1 per week, and I can easily churn out 5-10 in a week, depending on my luck at finding Saronite at my price.

People continue to buy fish recipes, as well as engineering mats and tailoring recipes found at various vendors.

Glyphs, too, continue to sell. Lots of competition, however, so I have to pick and choose which glyphs to sell, and not be afraid to get down to the 10g mark. And to relist. Auctioneer's Appraiser is great for this.

Edit: Oh, yeah... someone seems to have tried monopolizing the Eternal Fire market, so I just sold the few I had left unbroken at 16 or 17g per. When the markets diverge further, I'll get back in. Too easy not to.

ruhk wrote:
The profit margin on Elune Stones are ridiculous.

That's been one of my steadier money-makers over the years -- mine the Solid Stones at no cost, sell the Elune Stone at 1.75 to 2.25G. I now have two characters with the Elune Stone maker, so I figured I could double my profits. Problem is, someone else got the same idea and has been dumping Elune Stones for next to nothing. So now I wait till he gets bored.

Here's another item that can bring in decent money -- rods that enchanters make. I've made some decent coin on Gold Rods and Truesilver Rods just by selling 2-3 each week. People tend to make a bunch as they level and dump them on the AH. I either list at a lower price or wait till they expire and list my own.

I suspect you can do quite well with Fel Iron and Arcanite Rods -- I was so amped that my enchanter hit 50 (and can go behind 300 in enchanting) that I dropped 80 gold this weekend on both. Boy howdy is enchanting a money sink.

[quote=Enix]

ruhk wrote:
Boy howdy is enchanting a money sink.

Amen brother!

duckilama wrote:
New experiment - bought every limited quanitity item in the Trade/Crafter area of Dalaran - recipes, mats, bags - and will try selling them on AH. Maybe folks that don't have Lich King can still buy these things. That would at least explain them paying a premium. Who knows, we'll see.

This is going slower than hoped, but now I know.

On the recipe turnover front: IF also has a fishing trainer and a guy that sells recipes for fish foods. These sell, also.

Just in time for 3.1 -- a roundup of ways to make money when the patch drops, courtesy of WoWenomics.

The short answer seems to be (with an emphasis on "seem," because I skimmed some of it):

* Scribes will need to move fast to take advantage of a price spike. Everyone's getting re-specced (and dual specc'd), and most everyone will re-glyph in the meantime.

* Alchemists will benefit long term by selling pots to the Ulduar raiders.

* Flower pickers will benefit by selling raw mats to both scribes and potion makers, but they'll lose because you can farm more herbs quicker.

I haven't seen any real epic changes in the Leatherworking, Mining, Engineering and Skinning arenas that really thrill me. Apparently the demand for Arctic Fur will spike, but I skinned like a madman this weekend and got nothing. We'll see.

I think a lot of folks are already buying glyphs in prep for 3.1. If you're not selling now, you should start.

Enix wrote:

That's been one of my steadier money-makers over the years -- mine the Solid Stones at no cost, sell the Elune Stone at 1.75 to 2.25G. I now have two characters with the Elune Stone maker, so I figured I could double my profits. Problem is, someone else got the same idea and has been dumping Elune Stones for next to nothing. So now I wait till he gets bored.

I sell them in stacks of 5 for 15-20g, depending on who else is posting. If anyone sells them for less I buy them up and immediately repost. Being such a limited quantity item it's fairly easy to monopolize.

WoWEconomist posted a link to what looks like some decent AH advice over at WarcraftAuctionMastery.com.

I watched the two free videos (demonstration of going from 0 to 1000g in 4 days /played; and picking items to auction using Auctioneer) -- pretty straightforward stuff, but useful reminders. I haven't signed up yet for his PDF / hi-def videos.

I'd say the second video is worth the 8 minutes. The first is pretty standard "proof you can earn 1000g using the AH" stuff.

Katy wrote:
I haven't signed up yet for his PDF / hi-def videos.

Surprise, surprise, the extra hi-def videos are for-pay at $8.95 each. I don't THINK so.

Katy wrote:
Surprise, surprise, the extra hi-def videos are for-pay at $8.95 each. I don't THINK so.

Yeah, no kidding.

As for his claim that he spends only 15-30 mins (presumably a day) at the Auction House, note what's not mentioned: How much time you spend at the mailbox.

There's not a mail mod in existence that can process that many auctions that quickly.

Edit: His first claim is crap. He says that scans take 2-5 minutes. A scan on my mid-pop realm takes 10-12 minutes assuming 18K-20K listed items.

I also use Postal. It's better than clicking on each piece of mail, but it takes forever to process that sort of volume.

Also note that the video, while showing how much money this guy brings in, doesn't show the amount of money he spends to acquire all this stuff. I'd love to see his margins.

There's not a mail mod in existence that can process that many auctions that quickly.

Tekkub's Nut Counter (like Postal) can batch open successful and failed auctions without doing it manually.

Edit: His first claim is crap. He says that scans take 2-5 minutes. A scan on my mid-pop realm takes 10-12 minutes assuming 18K-20K listed items.

Don't use the Scan button.
/aadv getall
is far, far, FAR faster. I went from your 10-15 minute scans down to - honestly - 2-4 minute scans.
Try it. It's blazing.

duckilama wrote:
Don't use the Scan button.
/aadv getall
is far, far, FAR faster. I went from your 10-15 minute scans down to - honestly - 2-4 minute scans.
Try it. It's blazing.

Holy sh*t, that's the tip of the year right there!

Thanks for the getall tip. I'll try that on my next scan. I wonder why it's so much quicker that a full scan? The program still has to collect the same amount of data. I'll withdraw my that-claim-is-crap claim.

As for mail ... I do batch-process my mail, and Postal has been a life-saver. But it still takes time -- close to a minute to auto-process 50 mails, then another 30 seconds to reset and collect the next 50. If you're opening several hundred auctions, well, that takes some time, something the WAM guy glosses over. There's also inventory issues with expired auctions. And then you have to re-list everything. It's not nearly as quick or as easy as this guy claims in his video.

What I found interesting, though, is that in his video he went through the four items in his bag to see whether or not he should list them. That's smart to do -- believe me, I've made plenty of money listing items that are in high demand and/or short supply -- but that sort of manual inspection takes time, too.

Aries wrote:
duckilama wrote:
Don't use the Scan button.
/aadv getall
is far, far, FAR faster. I went from your 10-15 minute scans down to - honestly - 2-4 minute scans.
Try it. It's blazing.

Holy sh*t, that's the tip of the year right there!

For me at least, there's also a blue double-arrow button on the top of the auction window you can double-click. It's really sweet, but it's been a long time in coming. Blizzard implemented a new scripting API, in part specifically for Auctioneer, to allow them to scan the auction house in bulk, rather than one page at a time. Think it was in like 2.3 or 2.4, but it took a while for Auctioneer to put together all the framework to take full advantage of it.