Recommend me a gaming keyboard

Thin_J wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

The bottom line is that I've been on laptop for a long time, and I want to see what the Logitech w/LCD craze is all about. If it turns out that the LCD is unimportant and the feel of the keys annoys me (though I hope to try before I buy at a B&M store), at least I'll have spent $80 on the G510 instead of $170 on the G19.

I look forward to your like one week progression from "this is pretty neat!" to "I never look at this piece of sh*t and I hate the keyboard"

If it's a week then I'll still be in the return window.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

If it's a week then I'll still be in the return window. ;)

True enough

Looks like you can get a Razer Black Widow for $56 at Dell.

No one makes an ergonomic keyboard with mechanical keys.

NSMike wrote:

No one makes an ergonomic keyboard with mechanical keys. :(

You could.

NSMike wrote:

No one makes an ergonomic keyboard with mechanical keys. :(

I finally gave up waiting for this to appear and picked up a tenkeyless mechanical one that Thin J recommended earlier in the thread. I do enjoy the small footprint and the typing feel, but I'm really struggling with adjusting to the poorer hand/wrist angle. Feels fine in games, not so fine when I'm doing extended typing sessions.

In an unrelated note, have we ever dedicated a thread to proving why you ridiculous WASD people and your slavish devotion to Thresh's inferior key layout seem silly to us sensible ESDF folks?

I actually tore some tendons in the last knuckle of my pinky playing rugby so I can't pick out q, a or z well with it anymore.
The bigger buttons really do help because of this.

/a former esdf user

Yeah, I can't afford to revert to an old-style keyboard. I had twinges of numbness in one of my wrists at one point, and staying ergonomic seems to keep that from coming back. I'm not about to risk carpal tunnel for slightly better gaming and much worse typing.

When im in a real FPS zone, I really live on the nostromo. Use it for WoW too. But for whatever reason, some other games (like all the dota clones) it never seems to make sense for my hand.

I had a G13, which is basically Logitech's Nostromo. I hated it. Couldn't get the hang of it. It was given away at PenguinCon.

NSMike wrote:

I had a G13, which is basically Logitech's Nostromo. I hated it. Couldn't get the hang of it. It was given away at PenguinCon.

I remember trying one when it first came out, and returned it literally the next day. Can't remember what made it that unbearable, but it must've been pretty bad.

I bought one of them on the Woot sale. Not my thing either. I need to sell it, it's pretty much new in box. Maybe used 30 minutes plus however long it took to update firmware.

Consider me enabled on the mechanical thing. Just placed an order at www.wasdkeyboards.com for one of the semi-customs. Should be pretty cool.

Gunner wrote:

Consider me enabled on the mechanical thing. Just placed an order at www.wasdkeyboards.com for one of the semi-customs. Should be pretty cool.

Yay! Welcome to the club! Also, in case you missed it when I posted somewhere on this site, you can repair your keyboard if a key goes out. The Cherry switches can be found with a little google-fu for about a buck apiece. You just need a soldering iron. I had one of the WASD keys go out on mine awhile back and did the repair no sweat. It's easy enough that I did it all on my own without having to consult a forum thread or something. It's always good to know your expensive keyboard is repairable instead of replaceable.

Gunner wrote:

Consider me enabled on the mechanical thing. Just placed an order at www.wasdkeyboards.com for one of the semi-customs. Should be pretty cool.

wow. Someone remind me in 9 months to ask them about a pencon sponsorship.

Gunner wrote:

Consider me enabled on the mechanical thing. Just placed an order at www.wasdkeyboards.com for one of the semi-customs. Should be pretty cool.

Dammit gunner I already spent my spending monies on uncharted 3 and now you post this link?
You cruel heartless bastard.
Must resist...just bought second Das for work...arrrrggggghhhhh.

boogle wrote:
Gunner wrote:

Consider me enabled on the mechanical thing. Just placed an order at www.wasdkeyboards.com for one of the semi-customs. Should be pretty cool.

Dammit gunner I already spent my spending monies on uncharted 3 and now you post this link?
You cruel heartless bastard.
Must resist...just bought second Das for work...arrrrggggghhhhh.

You could just order a keycap set and put them on your Das. If you use the keyboard customizer, set it up how you like, and then click order or whatever, there's multiple checkboxes and one is "keycaps only" or something to that effect. You don't have to order a whole keyboard from them, you can just change out the caps on the Cherry MX board you already have.

I think it's like $40-50. I can't remember. It's what I did for my board.

Does anyone know where I could go to test typing on the various switches? I tried Thin J's at penguincon, so I know the browns...but I'm curious about the others.

Just chiming in to mark the thread. I want to get a mechanical keyboard. I have not used one in years, but I'm definitely looking for the less clicky ones. That narrows the market a fair bit. I'm hesitant because I have used split keyboards (various MS versions) for years.

Does anyone know if there any vast differences between the Razer BlackWidows, the Dases, the WASD lines, Rosewell and so on as far as typing and build quality?

There's not going to be a massive difference between boards that use the same switch. Don't pay a ton of attention to geekhack, that's roughly equivalent to reading head-fi, but for keyboards. People just get silly.

The blue switches in boards like the Razer are going to feel very similar to the browns. It's technically the same type of tactile switch, there's a tiny difference in pressure required for the keypress, and with the blues there's an extra sleeve piece on the switch that makes a pronounced clicky sound when you use it. That's it. They're going to feel very similar to type on.

I'm not sure if there's any good way to try out the black or red switches. The black ones in particular are widely available in a lot of boards and a ton of people swear by them for gaming, but the one board I had with them in it didn't last long after I got a board with the browns.

I may very well try out one of the Coolermaster CM Storm boards when they come out, just to see how the lighter pressure red switches compare to the black ones.

Early reports show the Coolermaster board to be very high quality, and the MSRP is, again, supposed to be like $70 and the board should be available with blue, brown, black, and red switches. They're supposed to be available for sale next month. Nobody else offers that kind of board at that price. I paid $99 for my Leopold. I think the Coolermaster boards will be a steal.

Thanks Thin, I had figured the feel would be about the same for the same switches. I have enough history with the typing implements to be quite sure that the brown switches are my target. I prefer non-linear response and less noisy. The coolermaster looks like it might be exactly what I am after, though I don't know if my brain can process the lack of numeric keypad. Might be nice to reclaim the mousing space though. The Rosewells and any number of the others look good for my purposes if I decide I can't do without the numpad, especially if a sale crops up during the holidays.

The das's are pretty fabulous. I have one pro s at work (formerly thinj's) and one at home and love them both.

The Das is a great keyboard. I just despise the glossy plastic casing. If it weren't for that I'd probably still be using it, numpad or not.

Now that I've used a tenkeyless for a while I don't think I can go back though.

I like the shiny, and do agree that I could do without the ten key at home (but not at work).

I haven't owned a tenkeyless keyboard (unless a laptop's keyboard counts). I really like the idea of being able to have my mouse hand and keyboard hands a bit closer and freeing up more desktop space. I do like one thing about a numpad. It's that enter key right by your mouse hand. I sometimes find when I'm doing tasks or playing games that it's really nice to be able to take my hand off of the mouse and hit that enter key. You can sorta just hit it with your thumb while keeping your hand on the mouse.

Because I tend to use that enter key quite a bit, I don't really care if a keyboard has the numpad or not.

consciousness wrote:

Thanks Thin, I had figured the feel would be about the same for the same switches. I have enough history with the typing implements to be quite sure that the brown switches are my target. I prefer non-linear response and less noisy. The coolermaster looks like it might be exactly what I am after, though I don't know if my brain can process the lack of numeric keypad. Might be nice to reclaim the mousing space though. The Rosewells and any number of the others look good for my purposes if I decide I can't do without the numpad, especially if a sale crops up during the holidays.

I would like to mention that the only mechanical keyboard I've owned is the Steelseries 7G. It has the Cherry MX Black Switches which I absolutely love but don't have anything to compare to.

My favorite thing about the 7G is the huge mask that goes around it. The actual keyboard is extremely heavy, so when you add that mask thing, it makes it feel like your keyboard is built into your desk.

IMAGE(http://lds-esport.com/images/shop/SteelSeries_Keyboard.jpg)

Anyways, I didn't see any love for the Steelseries version of the mechanical keyboard, so I figured I'd mention it to give another opinion.

Thin_J wrote:

Now that I've used a tenkeyless for a while I don't think I can go back though.

I hardly ever use the numpad, but for some irrational reason, I still prefer keyboards that have one. Maybe it's all because of Sid Meier's Pirates.

Yeah, I have way too many games that use a keypad to ever buy a keyboard without. The lack on the Macbook Pro is really annoying, because laptops are great candidates for the strategy-type games that so often benefit from the extra direction keys.

Here's a modular (and to me ugly) mechanical that I think was just announced. You can take the number pad off if you want.

MannishBoy wrote:

Here's a modular (and to me ugly) mechanical that I think was just announced. You can take the number pad off if you want.

That's not just ugly. Ugly isn't even close to being negative enough.

*AAaaah, Elitekeyboards has Leopold Tenkeyless boards with the red switches in stock.

Come on willpower, hold out for me until the CoolerMaster releases so I can at least compare prices.

Gunner wrote:

Consider me enabled on the mechanical thing. Just placed an order at www.wasdkeyboards.com for one of the semi-customs. Should be pretty cool.

Back to this, which switches did you get? Pics when it arrives please