
And now that the series is moving out of Yorkshire, can we have Bairstow sent to the Bide-a-Wee Home for Superannuated Wicket Keepers, and have someone in who can like, catch. Or bat.
Or better still, catch AND bat.
I am deeply unconvinced by the 'plan' Australia are adopting to bowl to the English lower order. Seems brainless and shows a lack of confidence in the bowlers' abilities.
And I am sick of the sight of Dave Warner. The arrogance to demand to be carried over the line on a lap of honour is not to be tolerated. You are done and were done before you even got on the plane.
Speaking as an outsider who has absolutely ZERO idea how cricket works, but is a regular BBC Sport visitor, the Ashes have been fascinating to read about this year.
The Jonny Bairstow incident was ALL OVER my TL last week, and I had no idea what was going on. Thank God for Jomboy for translating for us Americans.
That made slightly more sense than the last few pages of this thread. I need an English to English translation.
Before the 4th test starts, a huge shout out to the England Women’s team for getting a draw from the Women’s ashes series. To win both the T20 and ODI series is a massive achievement, especially when you consider the last time Australia lost an ODI series was 2013…
Hopefully that serve as inspiration to the men’s team this week. All I want is a decider at the Oval next week. Fingers crossed.
Weather forecast this weekend in Manchester is decidedly iffy - that must be why they put the convicts in first.
The Baltimore Ravens play cricket now?
Bloody nora, now the septics are here as well.
Before the 4th test starts, a huge shout out to the England Women’s team for getting a draw from the Women’s ashes series. To win both the T20 and ODI series is a massive achievement, especially when you consider the last time Australia lost an ODI series was 2013…
Hopefully that serve as inspiration to the men’s team this week. All I want is a decider at the Oval next week. Fingers crossed.
The English women have stepped up a notch or two in recent years. They held their nerve pretty well in some tight ones too with a lot of those shorter games decided in the last over. Well done to them.
Hard to tell where we stand after day 1. A lot of starts not converted. Some good spells bowled, and some toothless ones. 300 scored on he first day after being sent in used to be considered good. We shall see.
Take a bow Zak Crawley. That was a quite remarkable innings, in what has been a quite remarkable day for England. Bazball, when it's working, is really quite magnificent .
If they'd picked Ben Foakes instead of Garfield, it'd have worked in all three tests.
Hard to tell where we stand after day 1. A lot of starts not converted. Some good spells bowled, and some toothless ones. 300 scored on he first day after being sent in used to be considered good. We shall see.
We have seen. It was massive unders. Great dig by Crawley.
If they'd picked Ben Foakes instead of Garfield, it'd have worked in all three tests.
Looks like Garfield had his lasagna today!
Can all those in Manchester do anti-rain dances from now until start of play tomorrow please?
Poor Pat has lost his mind. The tactics in the field were bereft and showed a guy who has run out of ideas.
7th time was the charm for BazBall.
Can all those in Manchester do anti-rain dances from now until start of play tomorrow please?
Gets up...looks out of window...
I don't think that even my interpretive dance version of 2112 could guarantee much play today
Edit - it's now 9.30, and there's more water here than a Steve Smith press conference.
Plenty of interesting stuff happening down the road at Hoylake at least.
Well they're playing, which is more that I thought would happen today.
Edit: There is some irony that it'll be the weather in England that's probably going to decide who takes the ashes home.
It's usually English fans that are praying for rain though.
Been a while since I watched a Grand Prix from pole to chequered flag. It's not like I'm going out anywhere - much the same for the umpires.
Well. A damp squib of an end to that then.
If Aussies had any dignity, they would offer winner takes all at the Oval
England have won the toss four times in a row. Aussies were due a slice of luck, I suppose.
England certainly has some prominent sooks in the media. Piers chief among them.
Aussies got out of jail due to weather. It's not like this has never happened before in England for either side. (Maybe more often for England in this millenium.)
Am I reading right that there will be no cricket in the North on the next Ashes tour? We might try and use a similar reason to get the SCG out of rotation. We've lost nearly as many days there due to rain through the years as Manchester has. The other states have been calling for New Year's to be taken from them after England avoided a whitewash series 18 months ago due to rain.
Actually now that I think about, I don't remember Joe talking up the idea of extended playing hours after the weather saved his team from embarrassment there.
England certainly has some prominent sooks in the media. Piers chief among them.
Aussies got out of jail due to weather. It's not like this has never happened before in England for either side. (Maybe more often for England in this millenium.)
Am I reading right that there will be no cricket in the North on the next Ashes tour? We might try and use a similar reason to get the SCG out of rotation. We've lost nearly as many days there due to rain through the years as Manchester has. The other states have been calling for New Year's to be taken from them after England avoided a whitewash series 18 months ago due to rain.
Actually now that I think about, I don't remember Joe talking up the idea of extended playing hours after the weather saved his team from embarrassment there.
I’m genuinely surprised that Aussies seem to take Piers so seriously. There’s a reason the only gig he can get in the UK these days is on GBNews. Just ignore him, we all do, it’s best for everyone involved.
Complaining about the weather has been a part of cricket pretty much since it’s inception, and it’s hardly a phenomenon that’s only English - especially when it genuinely matters. However there are some genuine questions to be asked about why it can’t take more account of the weather forecast and add hours to the morning start time, or evening finished for example - especially if it looks like there’s going to be a result. This isn’t difficult although I do agree it makes for a long day in the field for bowlers potentially. Certain need to speed up the whole process of getting back on the field though once it’s stopped raining.
As for the No test matches ‘up north’ for the next ashes series here, then yes, nothing North of Birmingham, two test matches for London again and the other test match is going to be held at the Ageas bowl in Southampton. The ECB once again only concerned with chasing money.
English didn’t retake the ashes because of the weather, they should have won those first two matches to be honest and threw them away. Mind you I’d challenging anyone at all to be happy that what was shaping up to be an Ashes series for the ages to be decided in such a fashion.
I can't agree with your saying England "should" have won the first two tests. All the Bazball talk is that it is high risk - high reward, which is fine as long as you understand what risk really means. When the rewards come in, like they did here in Manchester, then all the risk seems worth it and necessary, but the other side is the risk that you don't make as many runs as you could/should because wickets fall when it doesn't come off. That's what happened in the first two tests. Not enough runs.
As for this new arrogance of deciding we should keep playing because we think we might win this with a bit more time - just no. We don't play timeless tests any more. We have an end point which is defined as part of the playing conditions and methods for trying to catch up time when available. These methods are better at dealing with lost time on days 1 and 2 rather than 4 and 5 though. Should Panesar and Anderson have been kept out there a bit longer because the Aussies thought they should win? What sort of TV contracts can you get when the start and end times of a days play are unknown?
Almost every international ground has staff that will get things moving at the earliest opportunity. The Manchester team were no different.
I find this test series immensely entertaining.
My thoughts are put better into words by this opinion piece.
It's behind a pay wall, so I'll put it in spoilers below:
If ever you needed proof that the English cricket team is reinventing the wheel with BazBall, the collective whining after rain intervened on Australia's behalf in the fourth test would be it.
England's players have taken turns complaining about how unfair it was that rain – that oldest and most final arbiter in cricket matches – got to decide the fate of the Ashes by wiping out their chances of levelling the series ahead of the fifth and final test at the Oval.
Fast bowler Stuart Broad said it "would be unjust if the weather had a decisive say" in the series result, while batsman and former captain Joe Root naively questioned the lack of flexibility in the playing rules as if that doesn't open a whole new can of exploitative worms.
Piers Morgan – that bastion of tabloid rationality – applied the heavy roller to the whinge-fest, tweeting if there had ever been a less deserved retention of the Ashes by Australia, also declaring that England were comfortably the better side in the rubber.
Morgan's final proclamation is at the heart of why the Poms are so triggered, as the kids say. The widely held view in England appears to be that BazBall – the fearless new cricket introduced by England's new coach, former New Zealand captain Brendon McCullum – deserved some kind of reward because it was such a fresh new approach to test cricket.
To be sure, fearless cricket isn't necessarily new. We've had positive cricket, front-foot cricket and, ahem, brave cricket before it as past teams tried to find ways to explain their efforts to speed up the tedium of five consecutive days of cricket.
At this juncture, one should probably point out that at no stage did the England team name their uninhibited new approach BazBall (apparently the first rule of BazBall is you don't talk about BazBall). Rather, their media did and cricket public lapped it up.
But the England team did little to discourage the idea that they were reinventing the wheel by giving the impression that results were secondary to how they played.
I probably should also make a confession that I find watching Bazball fascinating because it answers a question that has been brewing for a while: what happens when red ball cricket borrows liberally from its T20 counterpart?
The result has often been spectacular, the most notable being England becoming the first team in history to score over 500 runs on day one of a test match.
But where the hubris began to set in was when the England team seemed to take professional sport's old adage about focusing on themselves a little too far by completely taking their eye off the opposition and the conditions.
There was the ill-advised declaration on 393 on the very first day of the series, a no-no in test cricket; picking a wicketkeeper more for his batting than his keeping (Jonny Bairstow), and expecting the opposition to observe a subjective concept of the spirit of cricket in their application of the laws, now that they were playing a team so enlightened it levitated.
The consequences of those miscalculations were a 2-0 hole they had dug themselves in the series, and yet they spent the immediate aftermath of those defeats – the first in particular – doubling down with their utterances.
Opening batsman Zak Crawley declared that they would win by 150 runs in the second test at Lord's, while medium pacer Ollie Robinson expressed his surprise at the Aussies "not going toe-to-toe" with them in a match they actually won.
The conceit continued through the overindulgence of Crawley, whose slog to a test best 189 was received as ingenious, while South African-born Kevin Pietersen was once called a "Dumb Slog Millionaire" for a similar approach.
Forget picking a middle-aged Jimmy Anderson for what is essentially a young man's pursuit (fast bowling), England captain Ben Stokes wasn't embarrassed to share with the media that his champion quick baulked at putting his shoulder to the wheel in the opening test as Australia's bowlers batted them to victory because there was nothing in the wicket for him.
Anderson would later publicly threaten to quit if all the wickets were the same as at Edgbaston, an outburst rewarded by not only selecting him again, but also by keeping him in cotton wool for his home game at Old Trafford.
Once you start making decisions on sentiment, you're no longer in the business of elite sporting performance. Rather you're all about vibes and moral victories, much like all of England seem to be claiming now that they can't win the Ashes back.
Throughout the series, England have purported to be playing a game so transcendent both Mother Nature and Mother Cricket had no choice but to reward, to be doing so from the highest of moral high grounds and presented themselves as a team for whom fairness is paramount.
Not only were they exposed to be copying old Australian and West Indies sides in their approach, Twitter also had receipts about the times they resorted to unfair means to dismiss opponents and they, too, once clung on to the solace of rained off days to avoid defeat like so many teams have in the past.
All of which goes to show that nothing is really new in cricket, not even BazBall.
At the end of what has been a very entertaining game today, what should have been one of the most compelling series of recent times until the rain in Manchester intervened, Australian Agitator-in-Chief, one of the England great bowlers, one of the best seam bowlers in the world and general "you either love him or hate him" sort of guy, Stuart Broad has announced his intention to retire from all professional cricket at the end of this Ashes series.
I will leave what I consider to his greatest achievement in the game, aside from the 602 wickets (so far)
Can he drag his bunny with him?
Retiring when people think you still have a bit more left to give >>>>> retiring when people wish you had left some time ago.
So... Major League Cricket appears to be a thing?
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