NFL 2008-2009 Off-Season Pre-Draft Catch-All

Jayhawker wrote:

I thought he had already done that. I remember when I used to look forward to catching the games he called. It's now been at least 15 years since I could listen to him at all.

Madden's presentation may be bumbling. But wrapped inside his verbal stumbles and his "boom!" appeals to the beer-swigging denominator are some often astute observations on parts of the game of which the clueless sportscasters (see: Buck, Joe) have zero understanding.

Pat Summerall, on the other hand, struggled to remember who was on the field by the end of his broadcasting run.

*Legion* wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

I thought he had already done that. I remember when I used to look forward to catching the games he called. It's now been at least 15 years since I could listen to him at all.

Madden's presentation may be bumbling. But wrapped inside his verbal stumbles and his "boom!" appeals to the beer-swigging denominator are some often astute observations on parts of the game of which the clueless sportscasters (see: Buck, Joe) have zero understanding.

Pat Summerall, on the other hand, struggled to remember who was on the field by the end of his broadcasting run.

You know, like Bob Costas:

I'm only 4 minutes through this 10 minute video, but already it's among my favorite Internet videos ever.

The last decade has made 49er fans deliciously passive-aggressive!

*Legion* wrote:

I'm only 4 minutes through this 10 minute video, but already it's among my favorite Internet videos ever.

The last decade has made 49er fans deliciously passive-aggressive!

That holding montage was epic.

*Legion* wrote:

There were a couple where I said, "hey, that's no fair - it's a screen pass!". Then again, I wonder if they just told Kwame to block normally when they called screens.

At least one or two were "oh sh*t! dump it off!" moments. A couple really nice catches by Frank Gore too.

I think you can probably tell where they're from since Alex Smith is the QB for all of them. That makes it at most 32 games to pull from. 2006 makes the most sense, since he started that whole season.

Makes me feel bad for the guy. I'm sure if you do film study he had plenty of mistakes and what-not to merit his demotion, but damn, with that kind of blocking up front, what do you expect from the kid. There were several of those plays that could be shown as Alex Smith highlights. Pocket collapses, Smith escapes, makes great throw... HOLDING. Offense. Number 77. 10 yard penalty, repeat 2nd Down.

Edit - I was writing my response during your edit. It warms my heart to know that Legion and I were having the same football thought. I may have some football smarts after all.

Edit2 - You'll notice on a lot of those pressures and sacks, the left side isn't faring much better. No wonder the Niners are a bad team. I think I know what position they should be focusing on in the draft.

kaostheory wrote:

Edit2 - You'll notice on a lot of those pressures and sacks, the left side isn't faring much better. No wonder the Niners are a bad team. I think I know what position they should be focusing on in the draft.

They have addressed the tackle position now, at least in part. They drafted Joe Staley in 2007. And this offseason, they signed Marvel Smith away from the Steelers to fill the gap at right tackle.

However, neither guy is a true stud and their presence should not dissuade the 49ers from taking a tackle if one is sitting there at #10. Staley might fit better on the right side. Smith has been injured over the past two seasons and isn't someone to bet your team on.

They shouldn't necessarily feel horrible about entering the season with Staley and Smith at the starting spots, though. They've entered recent seasons with far, far worse. (If not a 1st rounder, drafting a guy in subsequent rounds would still be a Good Idea (tm))

Bills trade Jason Peters to the Eagles for pick #28, a 4th round pick, and an undisclosed late-round pick in next year's draft.

What a nice trade for Buffalo. Peters' performance went into the tank last season, ranking near the very bottom in sacks allowed by a left tackle - I didn't notice how bad it had gotten with him until after the season was over.

Philly is working out a new contract for Peters. They sure are betting a lot on the idea that last year was just a down season.

Dominic Rhodes off to Buffalo.

Indeed! When the first lines of the song came in, I almost hurt myself laughing.

Alex Smith runs 25 yards for a TD .... holding!
Alex Smith nails Bryant with a beautiful 50 yard TD pass .... holding!

It's amazing how much material they managed to scare up for the video. It's supposedly all from 2006, though I haven't checked the opponents against a schedule to verify that. It's enough bad blocks for a whole damn career, though, and they save all the sacks for the end. Brilliant.

There were a couple where I said, "hey, that's no fair - it's a screen pass!". Then again, I wonder if they just told Kwame to block normally when they called screens.

Adam Schefter is heading to ESPN (noooo!).

Apparently, he's essentially usurping John Clayton's spot, and Clayton is reportedly pissed.

Oh, and Matt Millen is going to ESPN, too. That's more in character.

*Legion* wrote:

Adam Schefter is heading to ESPN (noooo!).

Apparently, he's essentially usurping John Clayton's spot, and Clayton is reportedly pissed.

I want this to be a good thing, that ESPN's kneejerk journalism will finally get a dose of sanity, but I doubt it, so long as Mort is the go-to "insider."

*Legion* wrote:

Oh, and Matt Millen is going to ESPN, too. That's more in character.

I'd pay good money to see some cable outlet in Detroit do the same kind of scroll the NBC affiliate did before the Super Bowl.

Indeed! When the first lines of the song came in, I almost hurt myself laughing.

Alex Smith runs 25 yards for a TD .... holding!
Alex Smith nails Bryant with a beautiful 50 yard TD pass .... holding!

It's amazing how much material they managed to scare up for the video. It's supposedly all from 2006, though I haven't checked the opponents against a schedule to verify that. It's enough bad blocks for a whole damn career, though, and they save all the sacks for the end. Brilliant.

Finally got around to watching this, and it is indeed awesome. It's amazing how incredibly bad some of the starting linemen in the NFC West have been. Look at this 'dream team':

RT: Kwame Harris
RG: Rob 'Turnstile' Sims
C: Chris 'what play was that again?' Spencer
LG: Richie 'Personal Foul' Incognito
LT: Alex 'False Start' Barron (yes, the Rams really did PROMOTE Barron to LT for the 2009 season, at least until the draft.)

The really scary part about that lineup is that the majority of them were first-round draft picks.

Torry Holt signs with the Jaguars. ESPN sources claim it's a three-year, $13-20 million dollar deal. Hopefully for the Jags he will stop the bleeding at the WR spot and give them a chance to draft a solid wideout without having to reach in the next couple of years.

In other news, the Lions change their logo and uniforms in a desperate attempt to pretend they aren't the same team that broke all the bad performance records last season. Unless that new, fiercer Lion logo actually jumps off the helmet and attacks the other teams' players, I doubt anyone will be convinced, and I'm not sure how well the new jerseys and merch will sell until they start actually, you know, winning games.

gbuchold wrote:

Torry Holt signs with the Jaguars. ESPN sources claim it's a three-year, $13-20 million dollar deal.

With the first year guaranteed and no bonus money involved, it's essentially a one-year deal with two optional years that the Jaguars can get out of at no cost.

Good for Holt in that he gets a guaranteed check this year, and good for the Jaguars in that they're not on the hook beyond 2009 if Holt's knee can't hold up.

Jaguars unveil their new jerseys. (some more pics)

The new helmets are the first in the NFL to use that paint additive you see in cars a lot these days, that reflective speckled stuff that gives off a colored reflection. The helmet's still base colored black, but will reflect teal.

The jerseys are now simpler, fewer markings. No more double-colored number/letter outlines or armbands like these. No more Jaguar above the armband (they noted at the press conference that these tended to disappear on linemen's jerseys as the sleeves were rolled up tightly into the pads). No more teal jersey/black pants combo.

The new block font is different, and now the official logo stuff all matches the jersey font:

IMAGE(http://blackandteal.com/files/2009/04/picture-27-300x187.png)

IMAGE(http://wokv.com/images/2009/04/jagsmarklogor_m.jpg)

They're not dazzling, but they're nice and clean. I'm a big believer in that it almost doesn't matter what you look like, but that you pick something and stick with it. People that like the Green Bay Packers jerseys do so because they've been the Green Bay jerseys forever, not because they necessarily have a great love of green-and-yellow.

Nostalagia is an important thing with jerseys. If a team has won with a certain jersey everyone will have fond memories of it.

Jimmy Smith still likes blow.

Phew. Here I was afraid they'd go with something crazy looking, like the new helmet style they were threatening to introduce in the early 90s.

Return of the gray facemask = win.

Here's a shot of the new Jaguars helmet, where you can kinda see the reflective sparkle paint in action:

IMAGE(http://forum.jaguars.com/uploads/gallery/1240425036/med_gallery_57_82505.jpg)

Looked better in the video where you can see the shimmer. I look forward to seeing it in action on my HD screen instead of in a grainy web video. Hopefully it'll be the signature element of the Jags' uniform look.

Geeze, get back to overall analysis vice your Jag fixation!

Here are your nine finalists for tanking this season...er I mean, being on the Madden cover.

PEYTON MANNING PLZ KTHX

ATLANTA -- The Atlanta Falcons obtained tight end Tony Gonzalez from the Kansas City Chiefs on Thursday for a draft pick next year.

The Falcons will send a second-round pick in 2010 to Kansas City in exchange for Gonzalez, the only tight end in NFL history selected to 10 Pro Bowls, the Chiefs announced.

Thats too bad.

jowner wrote:
ATLANTA -- The Atlanta Falcons obtained tight end Tony Gonzalez from the Kansas City Chiefs on Thursday for a draft pick next year.

The Falcons will send a second-round pick in 2010 to Kansas City in exchange for Gonzalez, the only tight end in NFL history selected to 10 Pro Bowls, the Chiefs announced.

Thats too bad.

That is really awful. I can't believe Gonzalez would have wanted to go to Atlanta. I was all for the Chiefs dealing Gonzalez to somewhere he might get a chance at a Super Bowl. But Atlanta? Seriously?

Tony must have finally pissed off Pioli, because a second round pick for next season isn't much. I had hoped that Gonzalez might give Cassel a shot at getting the Chiefs into the playoffs this season in a pretty darn weak AFC West.

So in what round can the Chiefs get a shot at Chase Coffman?

I thought a 2nd round pick is pretty good for a dude that will be retired in two years.

LeapingGnome wrote:

I thought a 2nd round pick is pretty good for a dude that will be retired in two years.

If it was for this year, but waiting a year kind of stinks. I would like to see the Chiefs try to get Chase Coffman, but that would probably require a 2nd round pick that they don't have.

I don't think he will be gone in two years, either. He seems pretty committed to stick around for 3-4 more years.

Jayhawker wrote:

Tony must have finally pissed off Pioli, because a second round pick for next season isn't much.

Yes, it is. For a 33 year old tight end? It's a great trade.

Gonzalez has managed to maintain his level of play, but the Chiefs aren't a playoff team in 2009. They need to acquire talent in a bad way, and a guy that's not going to be around for the payoff years when that talent matures isn't of much use to the franchise.

Pioli understands that you don't get to hang around and hash out a 5-year plan in the NFL. At best, you get a year or two before results are expected. So there's no time to hang onto aging veterans that won't be around much longer, not if you can get something as valuable as a 2nd round pick for him.

Gonzalez may plan to stick around for 3-4 years, but he won't be "Tony Gonzalez" four years from now. Gonzalez has exceeded all expectations at holding off his decline, but the decline is coming and it may well be sharp and sudden.

Atlanta IS a contender in the NFC. You're talking about an 11-5 team last year with a rookie QB.

NOTE: The 2nd round pick is actually in 2010. It's probably an even money bet that Pioli uses that pick as ammunition for a draft-day trade this weekend. It's MUCH easier to trade a pick than it is to trade a player. Acquiring the pick gives Pioli some more Monopoly money.

You make good points. If Pioli can use that pick to get into the second round this year, it makes sense. If the chiefs had traded Gonzalez during the last season, they would have gotten a third rounder for him.

By next year's draft, that extra second round pick will probably feel more worth it, even if Pioli doesn't deal it.

Jayhawker wrote:

If the chiefs had traded Gonzalez during the last season, they would have gotten a third rounder for him.

Funny you should say that. PFT just pointed out that last offseason, Gonzalez complained about Carl Peterson's failure to trade him, claiming Peterson's asking price was too high.

Specifically, he said: "Nobody is going to trade a second for a 32-year-old tight end." (He went on to bring up the offer of a 3rd rounder that you're of course making reference to here)

Well, with a 33-year-old tight end, the Chiefs managed to get just that.

*Legion* wrote:

PEYTON MANNING PLZ KTHX

Nyet, it's Troy Polamalu and Larry Fitzgerald. Nice knowing you two.