"Gay", "F*g", etc. Are words born evil or do they choose to be evil? (Possibly NSFW language)

Great commentary on the difference between blacks using the 'n' word and everyone else using it Lobster. By the way, it's ok to say 'black'.

A further explanation on usage of the 'n' word.

Honky Wanna Cracker? Examining the Myth of "Reverse Racism" - Tim Wise

A Double Standard Worth Keeping: Race and the Differential Power of the "N-Word" - Tim Wise

No, words are not "born" evil. Language is 100% arbitrary. Florgenulge is my new word. It refers to a slightly dry sensation inside your upper left nostril on a warm day in February. If I get enough people to use it in that context, BOOM, it's in the dictionary, and thus, a word. Know why they do that? Because there's no logical reason that a word refers to what it refers to. There's no logical reason a tree is called a tree. It's just the English word for it. Context, intent, inflection, body language, and tone are all much more communicative than the word you use. Someone can use the n-word in an entirely clinical sense (e.g. explaining what it means rather than using it to harm) and despite the baggage that word carries, not mean one thing that would connote racism. Someone could also use the entirely innocuous word 'pie' in the context and with the intent, inflection and tone that implies racism, and it could be recognized as a racial slur.

MechaSlinky wrote:

It's kind of telling that f*g is censored while nigger remains uncensored here. Obviously, ni**er is the stronger word with the longer history of being offensive and has no real other meanings outside of its intended offensiveness, so it makes sense that the GWJLords would assume that a board full of mature adult-like people would be unlikely to ever use it. But that f*g is censored means either they thought people may use it or it has been used in the past, and there lies the question of what does that mean?

That here, it is not okay to offend a homosexual; but it's fine to offend black folks because they are a lower class.

or...

Maybe Certis and the other GWJLords are just a bunch of closet "awesomes".

LobsterMobster wrote:

I heard once that the word African Americans use is "n*gga," not "n*gger," and that this is a distinction, not a dialect. Kind of like how the gay community took "queer" for their own, it's a method of empowerment. A word is used as a weapon against them so they take it, claim it, and neutralize it. In time, the meaning changes. In 50 years, "n*gga" may be as universal and common as, "dude" is today, by people of all races. Then again, maybe not. RIGHT NOW, it's an offensive word. When African Americans use it with each other there is an implicit understanding that they are claiming the word and rejecting the hate behind it. African Americans - OK, look, I'm just going to say blacks because I'm not just talking about Africans and I'm not just talking about Americans - are ALLOWED to be offended when someone calls them "n*gga," even if that someone happens to be black as well.

QFT!

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How the hell did you sneak back in?

...Yeah. That's a glitch. You shouldn't be able to post. Especially not after the thing that got you fired in the first place.

LobsterMobster wrote:

How the hell did you sneak back in?

Dunno, I guess through the side entrance? I've been back for a long time, just don't post too much anymore. I log on from time to time when I'm extremely bored. But hey, no worries I'll put on my minstrel white face to shuck and jive with you fellas...In other words, I've learned my lesson and will be on my best behavior...

Lobster - Thanks for clarifying the N word. Honestly it's losing steam in the black community (at least from the educated folks that want to separate themselves from the old guard), I hear it more now used by ignorant white folk or the clueless fellas with the Kfed complex.

LobsterMobster wrote:

...Yeah. That's a glitch. You shouldn't be able to post. Especially not after the thing that got you fired in the first place.

What got me fired anyway?

**Note to self** Never post drunk again

LobsterMobster wrote:

...Yeah. That's a glitch. You shouldn't be able to post. Especially not after the thing that got you fired in the first place.

It's not a glitch, exactly, it's just that Certis always forgets that it's a 2-step process to ban on the new site.

I don't entirely agree with Captain Wise there, FSeven. I think it's in everyone's power to reshape the meaning of anything, regardless of status. I can't possibly argue that white people as a group have suffered the same as other minorities have, so it may be more difficult for the minorities to reshape the meanings, but they can do it. Thankfully racism came to an end once Obama won the election.

When politicians want to bash welfare recipients they don't pick Bubba and Crystal from the trailer park; they choose Shawonda Jefferson from the projects, with her five kids.

That's a real problem right there. Oddly enough, the images that immediately come to my mind from that sentence is that Bubba and Crystal are sitting on the couch smoking crack and watching day-time trash-TV talk shows while Shawonda Jefferson is diligently working a double-shift at Wal-Mart to feed her family, and I'm incredibly white, so I don't really know what that says about me. Either I'm racist towards my own race or I've just spent way too much time in the south.

To say that because those things happen that certain people can't say certain words is ludicrous to me. I am not Jewish, but I love a good Jew joke. I don't care who makes the joke, especially if it is completely apparent that the person saying the joke is laughing at it for the same reasons I am (usually because it's so ridiculously incorrect that it's funny. It's the same reason why I have an unhealthy infatuation with the words, "God hates f*gs!" Also, I am pathologically immature.)

While an indian mascot may have originally been used as a way of degrading the indians all those decades ago, today I think the meaning has changed for a lot of people to a celebration of their dedication, bravery and spirit. At least, that's the way I've always looked at it. I mean, why would you want to name your team after something you don't like? You have a team called the Panthers because they're fast, agile and are skilled hunters. You don't have a team called the Sloths. Unless you do. I don't follow sports.

There has never been a huge uproar over derogatory use of words such as "girly" that I can think of. Women haven't taken the word to make it their own, to change the meaning to empower themselves or anything of the sort. Throwing like a girl is still a negative. Instead of focusing on the words, women have focused on the real issues. Being treated as property, being given special treatment from the law, not being allowed to get an education or go to work. There is still more progress to make, but women are in a better position now than they've ever been. Hilary Clinton is the perfect example. When she first started her campaign, the vast majority of people considered a strong candidate. There was a little bit of excitement over a strong female candidate, just as with Obama there was excitement over strong black candidate, but neither were considered a shoe-in or an impossibility because of their race or gender. Well, except for Hilary, who was considered an impossibility because she's some sort of lizard creature. But it wasn't because she's a woman. That's the important thing.

Women hold some powerful positions in America. They move up the proverbial ladder just like anyone else. Then someone comes along, gets offended at a few silly jokes and sues for sexual harassment when there was nothing sexual beyond a joke about the difference between men and women and it wasn't even close to harassment because it was just a guy telling a joke to his friends that some dumb bitch overheard while walking by. Before you know it, you have bullsh*t sensitivity training and such, and people become afraid of the words that come out of their mouth rather than the content of the message. Not only does this neuter basic communication, but the threat of a lawsuit becomes so great that companies shy away from hiring or promoting women and minorities. Why risk a possible expensive lawsuit when you can go with a nice, safe white male who won't be offended by a few silly jokes during the lunch hour?

Let's move over to "ni**er". It's a word that has had incredibly strong negative meaning throughout history. No doubt it has grown to become a vile word. So black people began to use it in a different way in order to change its meaning. Remove the negative power, make it positive. I totally support that. It doesn't just happen overnight so for a while there would definitely be some trepidation when a white person says it, even in the new positive light. I imagine it was uncomfortable at first regardless of who said it, actually, but doubly so when coming out of a white mouth. Over time, though, this should have changed. Instead, it never became okay for a white person to use the word. As such, it became necessary to differentiate between when a white person uses it and a black person uses it. This caused the creation of "nigga", a brand new word with a new, positive meaning. Problem is, this still left the word "ni**er" with all the same negative power it always had, if not more. It's such a toxic word that most people won't even say it when discussing how sh*tty of a word it is. They fear that any nearby black person who hears it will be greatly offended, as if all black people are irrational jerks who don't understand nuance in language, even though it is not being used to expressly state a negative sentiment towards anyone but rather to agree that the word totally sucks and people who use it to hurt others are assholes. In a way, by not allowing white people to use it, the word has only gotten more powerful and has only introduced a new slice of racism.

I'm ashamed to admit this, but there have been times when I've seen black people walking down the sidewalk toward me. I wasn't afraid that they would mug me or anything. I was afraid that I would inadvertently do something that they would misconstrue as racist. Like that's what black people do all day. Walk around looking for white people to be offended by. All of the other stereotypes have always seemed genuinely ridiculous to me (except for the large penis thing, but I don't think they mind that one). But, here I am, a racist prick. I even knew at the time it was racist, and I was worried that they would see the look on my face and be able to tell that I was intentionally trying not to offend them and become offended that I would be racist enough to think that they would become offended and think I was racist.

Oh, also, white people aren't allowed to say "nigga", either, because when it comes out of a white mouth it still just means "ni**er". Or it means the white guy is just a douchebag wigger who wishes he was black. So black people have effectively created a new word that, about a third of the time, has a negative meaning. Way to go!

You want "ni**er" to lose it's meaning? Stop letting it offend you, especially in situations where it is not even being used to cause pain. This can totally be more difficult for someone who has been oppressed, but it can be done. The Jews have been oppressed, and hardly anyone uses words like "kike" because Jews seem like a totally laid back group of intelligent people with funny-sounding words. Now the Jews own Hollywood! See? Once "ni**er" and all the other racial slurs are meaningless, the true bigots out there become powerless and you become powerful.

I'm bisexual, but there isn't a slur for that, so "f*g" will have to do. Like I said, I use it all the time to make fun of things. My friends have used it to make fun of me, too. I didn't get offended because I knew they didn't think I was a lesser human being for my sexuality. They were using it in the exact same manner as myself. The meaning was as far from "homosexual" as possible in that context. To me, this was a beautiful thing. For that brief moment, "f*g" wasn't being used to belittle who I am. It was being used to jokingly belittle what I had done, but regardless of whether an alternate meaning is a good or bad thing, I think the fact that it's no longer a racial or sexual slur is a genuinely kickass step towards breaking down silly stereotypes and bringing people together.

Another rambling nonsensical all-over-the-place mess from me. Enjoy, chinks!

ChronicNecrosis wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:

...Yeah. That's a glitch. You shouldn't be able to post. Especially not after the thing that got you fired in the first place.

What got me fired anyway?

Something I can't even summarize without a derail.

nsmike wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:

...Yeah. That's a glitch. You shouldn't be able to post. Especially not after the thing that got you fired in the first place.

It's not a glitch, exactly, it's just that Certis always forgets that it's a 2-step process to ban on the new site.

Oh, well in that case I'll send him a message to be sure he's okay with me posting again. I'm not trying to spoil anyone's fun.

On a side note: I think I got banned for posting a picture of buttcheck hanging out of a kilt, flamebait and for calling Certis a racist. Does that ring a bell by any chance?

The word, Jew, has different connotations for each part of speech it occupies. As a noun it is acceptable and appropriate as it refers to a person who is Jewish (* mostly, I'll come back to that). As an adjective it is derogatory (compare "that Jew lawyer" with "that Jewish lawyer"). As a verb it is always derogatory.

Back to Jew as a noun. I said it's mostly acceptable because even though it is accurate as a noun, in my experience I've found that people hesitate to use it in favor of the less efficient "Jewish person". Perhaps it comes from not wanting to appear racist and the term, Jew, they feel is derogatory.

LobsterMobster wrote:
ChronicNecrosis wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:

...Yeah. That's a glitch. You shouldn't be able to post. Especially not after the thing that got you fired in the first place.

What got me fired anyway?

Something I can't even summarize without a derail.

http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/3...

Crouton wrote:

The word, Jew, has different connotations for each part of speech it occupies. As a noun it is acceptable and appropriate as it refers to a person who is Jewish (* mostly, I'll come back to that). As an adjective it is derogatory (compare "that Jew lawyer" with "that Jewish lawyer"). As a verb it is always derogatory.

Back to Jew as a noun. I said it's mostly acceptable because even though it is accurate as a noun, in my experience I've found that people hesitate to use it in favor of the less efficient "Jewish person". Perhaps it comes from not wanting to appear racist and the term, Jew, they feel is derogatory.

I have heard it used to mean "a cheap person," and quite casually in fact. As in, someone I was dining with couldn't afford to chip in for the tip and said they, "feel like such a Jew." By and large, anti-Semitism seems to get a lot of acceptance. We call it out when we see it in the open but if you keep your ears open, it's around.

Jayhawker wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:
ChronicNecrosis wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:

...Yeah. That's a glitch. You shouldn't be able to post. Especially not after the thing that got you fired in the first place.

What got me fired anyway?

Something I can't even summarize without a derail.

http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/3...

Thanks! Now I remember...My opinion came off as "Hate speech" although it was never intended to be...To all those I may have offended I'm embarrassed and apologize as I can truly empathize with how you feel... It takes a big person to be able to admit when he was wrong and stand accountable, and I was very wrong in what I wrote...

Hopefully we can all just move forward...Nevertheless I just sent Certis a message to let him know I could still post and wasn't trying to be a nuisance so we'll see what happens but out of respect for the moderator I prefer not to post anymore until I get a response back since this seems to be an error and not a lifting of the ban. - Take care and have a good holiday season! -B

Another castaway from the brief period when banning didn't work right. All fixed. This is not an account I'll be reinstating.

That here, it is not okay to offend a homosexual; but it's fine to offend black folks because they are a lower class.

or...

Maybe Certis and the other GWJLords are just a bunch of closet "awesomes".

For obvious reasons.

Some words are not censored because they aren't used in everyday "gamer speech" like f*g and other words are. To some extent, censoring a word indicates it can be used safely because the software will bleep it out automatically. By censoring something racially charged, we're suggesting it's ok to use the word in posts. It's not, and the user who uses it will be dealt with directly.

The context of this thread is very specific, but I'd still prefer that people avoid being explicit with what they're writing. Work filters don't make any distinctions.

Certis wrote:

The context of this thread is very specific, but I'd still prefer that people avoid being explicit with what they're writing. Work filters don't make any distinctions.

I'll take this as a request that I go back to my previous posts and make some minor changes. Let me know if I've missed anything.

EDIT: Appears the changes have already been made for me. Sweet.

ANOTHER EDIT:

Certis wrote:

Some words are not censored because they aren't used in everyday "gamer speech" like f*g and other words are. To some extent, censoring a word indicates it can be used safely because the software will bleep it out automatically. By censoring something racially charged, we're suggesting it's ok to use the word in posts. It's not, and the user who uses it will be dealt with directly.

This is what I was talking about when I mentioned how one word was censored while another wasn't. I just thought it was kind of interesting and meant to pose the question about what everyone thinks that says about us as gamers. I hope nobody thought I was trying to say that it meant anyone here condoned racism or homophobia or homoistic race-o-phobia.