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Tscott wrote:

Has anyone checked out End of the F***ing World season 2 yet? I liked the first season but thought it ended in a way that a season 2 wasn’t needed- maybe not possible. Wondering if it’s worth checking out.

I watched it and liked it.

MannishBoy wrote:
Tscott wrote:

Has anyone checked out End of the F***ing World season 2 yet? I liked the first season but thought it ended in a way that a season 2 wasn’t needed- maybe not possible. Wondering if it’s worth checking out.

I watched it and liked it.

Same. They did a good job doing something new, given that the end of season one was supposed to be the end.

West Wing is so f*cking good. Wish I had watched it sooner. Can see myself watching it again in a few years.

In season 4 now.

I watched season 9 of The Walking Dead over the weekend.... Still not a good show. I dont know why I keep watching it.

We bailed back when neegan? showed up. No regrets.

Nothing I've heard about what happened since makes me miss it.

Stele wrote:

West Wing is so f*cking good. Wish I had watched it sooner. Can see myself watching it again in a few years.

In season 4 now.

Hoooooboy. I hope folks told you about the season 5 slump. Just muscle through until you get to Big Bird, which is when it picks back up. Seasons 6-7 are almost as amazing as 1-4.

Veloxi wrote:
Stele wrote:

West Wing is so f*cking good. Wish I had watched it sooner. Can see myself watching it again in a few years.

In season 4 now.

Hoooooboy. I hope folks told you about the season 5 slump. Just muscle through until you get to Big Bird, which is when it picks back up. Seasons 6-7 are almost as amazing as 1-4.

Generally agree with two caveats.

Spoiler:

HATE what they did with Toby. I don't see him committing treason ever. He'd roast Bartlett alive for weaponizing space, but he'd never leak it.

Also, Josh was supposed to be one of the finest political minds with a hugely successful presidential run under his belt. Why was he screwing up SO MUCH and SO BADLY during Santos' run? It's like Santos got elected in spite of Josh instead of because of Josh. They sacrificed his character in order to make drama and I didn't believe it.

West Wing has been my comfy blanket since the early 2000s. I've probably watched it from start to end at least eight times, and I'm on the last two seasons of listening along with the West Wing Weekly podcast. It's fantastic, and profoundly painful in the current era.

It's far from perfect. It's got a lot of problematic stuff with women going on. It definitely goes through a down period in seasons four and five, though I'd say West Wing at its worst is better than most stuff at their best. And man does it get back to form for the last two seasons.

Grenn, I'd argue that Josh is brilliant 75% of the time, and an absolute moron the other 25%, and is that way from the start. There's whole episodes built on Josh screwing up spectacularly.

For anybody that enjoys West Wing, Newsroom is worth checking out on Amazon Prime.

Grenn wrote:

Generally agree with two caveats.

I can't really disagree with these at all.

Several cast members announced today that MST3K has been officially canceled by Netflix. Joel said he is going to explore other options for Season 13 and is pretty adamant this won’t be The End. It’s already been on four different networks/platforms and there was almost a two decade gap between Seasons 10 and 11 so who knows.

ruhk wrote:

Several cast members announced today that MST3K has been officially canceled by Netflix. Joel said he is going to explore other options for Season 13 and is pretty adamant this won’t be The End. It’s already been on four different networks/platforms and there was almost a two decade gap between Seasons 10 and 11 so who knows.

would love to see them move to Amazon prime and watch sh*tty Netflix Originals

Dragon Prince is so, so, good.

I am really enjoying Into the Badlands. It has better fights than most action movies.

My understanding is there is a two-year “no shop around” clause. That is that after Netflix canceled they can’t show MST3K anywhere else for two years. This might be one reason for the long tours, so they keep it in the public consciousness. The only thing I’m unsure of if this the clock started counting down from the end of the last season or from now.

jrralls wrote:

My understanding is there is a two-year “no shop around” clause. That is that after Netflix canceled they can’t show MST3K anywhere else for two years. This might be one reason for the long tours, so they keep it in the public consciousness. The only thing I’m unsure of if this the clock started counting down from the end of the last season or from now.

feels like total BS. "no shopping around" makes no sense; either ratings are high and competitors should buy it from Netflix at top dollar, or the show has poor ratings and someone is willing to throw the dice and buy a risky IP.

fangblackbone wrote:

I am really enjoying Into the Badlands. It has better fights than most action movies.

I love that show. Wish there was more of it.

Hobbes2099 wrote:
jrralls wrote:

My understanding is there is a two-year “no shop around” clause. That is that after Netflix canceled they can’t show MST3K anywhere else for two years. This might be one reason for the long tours, so they keep it in the public consciousness. The only thing I’m unsure of if this the clock started counting down from the end of the last season or from now.

feels like total BS. "no shopping around" makes no sense; either ratings are high and competitors should buy it from Netflix at top dollar, or the show has poor ratings and someone is willing to throw the dice and buy a risky IP.

Why Netflix Cancels Shows After A Couple Of Seasons & Why They Can’t Move To New Homes

TL;DR: Netflix has a "no air" clause in its contracts that vary from a couple of months to seven or eight years depending on the show and whether a competing streaming service or cable channel wants it.

For example, Netflix cancelled One Day at a Time earlier this year and it was picked up by cable's Pop TV two months later. It would have been a lot longer wait if, say, Hulu or Amazon wanted it.

And streaming ratings aren't like broadcast ratings. Netflix isn't so much concerned about how many people watch a show because there's no advertising. It's more concerned about how many people subscribe to watch a show or how many people don't cancel their subscription because of a show. The MST3K guys probably won't know how their show performed because Netflix is notoriously tight lipped when it comes to viewer data, even with show runners.

... do people pay you to suddenly show up and explain complex things to them?

And if so, are you willing to sing this non-compete contract so you can't go onto other forums and provide that service elsewhere?

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I was going to correct my typo; but I've decided I do want you to sing the contract, not sign it.

OG_slinger wrote:

And streaming ratings aren't like broadcast ratings. Netflix isn't so much concerned about how many people watch a show because there's no advertising. It's more concerned about how many people subscribe to watch a show or how many people don't cancel their subscription because of a show. The MST3K guys probably won't know how their show performed because Netflix is notoriously tight lipped when it comes to viewer data, even with show runners.

But I feel the Netflix-assholiness remains regardless of what "ratings" mean to them or how they're used.

Either the content is "good enough" or it isn't. Netflix should let that IP try to be successful elsewhere. There should be a clear difference between owning the IP and distributing the IP. If it's yours, feel free to let it rot in your bottom drawer for 7 years or all eternity. But non-compete clauses puts the importance of content distribution above the importance of content creation.

Seems wrong.

While we're wishing for media to be free of corporate bullsh*t I'd also like media to join the public domain ~25 years after publication.

Fredrik_S wrote:

Dragon Prince is so, so, good.

It really, really, really is. <3

I saw an advert for a fast and furious knockoff with Ryan Reynolds. Intrigued

Rat Boy wrote:

... do people pay you to suddenly show up and explain complex things to them?

I'd tell you, but Hobbes2099 included an ironclad NDA in his contract.

Plus my voice is shot from having to sing 25 pages of tiny print legalese.

Hobbes2099 wrote:

But I feel the Netflix-assholiness remains regardless of what "ratings" mean to them or how they're used.

Either the content is "good enough" or it isn't. Netflix should let that IP try to be successful elsewhere. There should be a clear difference between owning the IP and distributing the IP. If it's yours, feel free to let it rot in your bottom drawer for 7 years or all eternity. But non-compete clauses puts the importance of content distribution above the importance of content creation.

Seems wrong.

A big part of it is that Netflix paid to develop the IP as well as distribute it.

In the broadcast and cable world channels don't own the programs that they show. They pay a broadcast fee to a production company that made--and paid to develop--the content and cut side deals for things like streaming rights, international, etc.

(This screwy situation was why SyFy cancelled The Expanse--the channel only negotiated broadcast rights with the production company. That meant SyFy only got paid when people watched the show live or on DVR and SyFy executives figured they could make more money with a cheaper IP.)

Netflix deals, on the other hand, give production companies a cost +30% contract, meaning they pay for all the production and development costs and they throw in money on top of that. In exchange for shouldering all the financial risk, Netflix gets "no air" clauses with the production company.

I don't know the specifics of the deal the MST3K guys negotiated with Netflix. It can't be too restrictive because they've been mentioning shopping the show to other streaming services on social media and I doubt they signed away control of the IP they created (and funded the reboot of) to Netflix.

MST3K may have been given a more lenient contract because season 11 was entirely crowdfunded and then shopped to Netflix, who really only paid for the comparatively short season 12 (which was only six episodes whereas previous seasons typically ran between 13-24 episodes)

Finished Daybreak with the GF. I enjoyed it a lot, but the protagonist was definitely less to be desired.

Iron Sky: The Coming Race is worth a watch if you liked the original. It's even better on your mind-altering substance of choice.

Undercover Brother 2 is an abomination.

Whoa, they made a sequel to Undercover Brother? I loved that movie.