Hidden Gems of Netflix's Watch Instantly

Apropos. Also NSFW Language.

At least my opinion was a little more substantiated than "You were high."

Polypusher and Suvanto, you got your comments in at the right time.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

I'm on episode 5 of Berlin Babylon, and it continues to be a fascinating political thriller. It's a lot to process, though, so I'm going to need a breakdown/review of the thing afterwards. I don't know just how accurate all the historical aspects are. I'm assuming they are pretty accurate with the political movements in Germany leading up to WWII, but I have no idea if that's the case.

I'm a huge history geek with a fair knowledge of German history from Bismark to Adenauer and I'm one and a half episodes in. No howlers so far and I'm really digging the _feel_ that they have captured so far, it's such a different and unique point in time that getting a grasp of it can be quite difficult for film makers to do without getting into cliche territory. I'll let you know if I spot any real historical blunders.

So finished series 2 of Z Nation which picked up a bit, only to find seasons 3 and 4 are not on Netflix UK, grrrrrr

Hot damn Everything Sucks is so great. It feels so 90s like stranger things felt so 80s. Sad we are through already. Now we need to find a new series. That horrible search.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

I'm on episode 5 of Berlin Babylon, and it continues to be a fascinating political thriller. It's a lot to process, though, so I'm going to need a breakdown/review of the thing afterwards. I don't know just how accurate all the historical aspects are. I'm assuming they are pretty accurate with the political movements in Germany leading up to WWII, but I have no idea if that's the case.

I'm only 3 episodes in and I'm really enjoying it.

Also been enjoying the new David Chang cooking show.
The episode on tacos and Mexican food is really good. Makes me want to go back to Mexico City.

Gravey wrote:

At least my opinion was a little more substantiated than "You were high."

Shut your mouth you goddamn wastoid, no room for degenerates in this thread about watching video content.

/me lights up lucky strike and sips from old fashioned

Gravey wrote:

What I genuinely liked about the show, and what honestly moved me, was a scene-setting exchange in the first episode between some extras, when the parents receive their 7-year-old daughter re-sleeved in a middle-aged woman because they couldn't afford something else. Now there was the beginnings of an exploration of these ideas of class and bodies that I would have much preferred AC followed. I also enjoyed seeing BC Place Stadium as an airship.

I loved these bits more than the main storyline, which I'd say is bog-standard cyberpunk by virtue of being bog-standard noire. Go watch Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid's DOA for instance, which itself was derivative, for a similar core story. Most of what I've heard people impressed by with Altered Carbon is the world, and the open loops the creators left to fill in later. That's why I'd love some diversions into the other storylines. Like, how does raising a seven-year-old in a low-rent 75-year-old body ("sleeve") actually work out? What can we learn about notions of self and parenting by following that thread? I'd love that.

I almost see the reliance on a bog-standard narrative template as a feature, in the same sense that Pacific Rim's ridiculous narrative contrivances or Z Nation's over-the-top cheese wheels are features of those respective properties. We don't want David Fincher directing Z Nation. We don't want Steven Soderbergh directing Pacific Rim. They'd become different things.

I felt the main throughline of Altered Carbon was made familiar through using that template in service of providing a contrast to the interesting world-building. But, again, different strokes. I think there's definitely room for critique and sharing impressions without making appeals to some objective metric of quality that does not exist.

ETA: I was disappointed with Kinnaman early on in Altered Carbon because his Stephen Holder in The Killing was so much more human, but I think he warmed to Takeshi over the season.

Grenn wrote:

Apropos. Also NSFW Language.

That is brilliant.

muraii wrote:

We don't want Steven Soderbergh directing Pacific Rim.

You may not, I would love to see it. Soderbergh is one of the directors I will watch anything from. I'd love to see what he brings to a fun sci-fi action movie. He does fun movies (Lucky Logan), sci-fi movies (Solaris) and action movies (Haywire) but I can't think of any where he's done them all together?

Gravey wrote:

At least my opinion was a little more substantiated than "You were high."

Polypusher and Suvanto, you got your comments in at the right time.

To be fair, I was mostly teasing Boogle, since he often references marijuana use.

If you want real trolling:

I forget how much handholding many viewers need, as though issues brought up in literature, TV, or film have to be more than a platform to present ideas to think about. Is AC deep? No. Did my wife and I end up taking about some of those issues after episodes, yeah.

What a lot of viewers need is stuff like The 100, or really most CW stuff, where the writers just spell everything out for the viewer nice and simple. Those shows also get rid of all that boring dialogue and exposition in favor of "stuff happening." The 100 is still fun, but it favors "stuff happening" over actual plot and character development.

Honestly, a healthy portion off the internet ought to just read recaps, because they really aren't interested in anything more what moves the story forward. Letting a a story sit in place and stew for a bit is met with internet rage.

PaladinTom wrote:
Grenn wrote:

Apropos. Also NSFW Language.

That is brilliant.

OMG I'm dying.

He is one of my favorite YouTubers, definitely. He makes YouTube poetry.

Jayhawker wrote:

I forget how much handholding many viewers need, as though issues brought up in literature, TV, or film have to be more than a platform to present ideas to think about. Is AC deep? No. Did my wife and I end up taking about some of those issues after episodes, yeah.

My personal problems with AC were that it brings up a lot of interesting issues around class, having a ruling elite that is basically undying, the idea of what makes a sapient being, followed by cutting to boobs or abs or a violence orgy.
I dunno I want to go rewatch A Field in England tho.

PaladinTom wrote:
Grenn wrote:

Apropos. Also NSFW Language.

That is brilliant.

That needs to be the opening post of every thread. Along with "The Dude" saying, "That's just your opinion man"

SpyNavy wrote:
PaladinTom wrote:
Grenn wrote:

Apropos. Also NSFW Language.

That is brilliant.

That needs to be the opening post of every thread. Along with "The Dude" saying, "That's just your opinion man"

I like this thing

BadKen wrote:

He is one of my favorite YouTubers, definitely. He makes YouTube poetry.

I've fallen down his channel's rabbit hole. I was CRYING at this one:

boogle wrote:

My personal problems with AC were that it brings up a lot of interesting issues around class, having a ruling elite that is basically undying, the idea of what makes a sapient being, followed by cutting to boobs or abs or a violence orgy.

That is the whole point. That things that have extreme shock value right now are so callously disregarded in Altered Carbon's time, we can see where we are headed. Except, we are already there if you look at virtual worlds like Second Life. Can you imagine that right now, Second Life turns a blind eye to simulated rape and BDSM because it is consensual (even hypothetically between an 18 yo and a 70 yo) but polices naked child like avatars (just existing and not performing simulated sex) behind closed virtual doors?

I don't think it is a question of "if", but "when" we disregard the "sanctity" of our physical bodies since so many of us already do it virtually already. (I'm not talking sex here but violence since it covers broader demographics)

There were tons of other bits that beg to be explored. That they weren't explored doesn't work against the show for me; it draws me further in. Think about what if horrible criminals with multiple life sentences could actually serve out there term? What happens when they get out? Will we have indefinite sentences? Will people be able to rent you, own you, take you out early for whatever purpose (and then put you back in)? What if you can be used and earn credit towards reducing your sentence? What if people commit crime because they want to sit out their existence for some time until their circumstances or environment gets better?

fangblackbone wrote:
boogle wrote:

My personal problems with AC were that it brings up a lot of interesting issues around class, having a ruling elite that is basically undying, the idea of what makes a sapient being, followed by cutting to boobs or abs or a violence orgy.

That is the whole point. That things that have extreme shock value right now are so callously disregarded in Altered Carbon's time, we can see where we are headed. Except, we are already there if you look at virtual worlds like Second Life. Can you imagine that right now, Second Life turns a blind eye to simulated rape and BDSM because it is consensual (even hypothetically between an 18 yo and a 70 yo) but polices naked child like avatars (just existing and not performing simulated sex) behind closed virtual doors?

I don't think it is a question of "if", but "when" we disregard the "sanctity" of our physical bodies since so many of us already do it virtually already. (I'm not talking sex here but violence since it covers broader demographics)

There were tons of other bits that beg to be explored. That they weren't explored doesn't work against the show for me; it draws me further in. Think about what if horrible criminals with multiple life sentences could actually serve out there term? What happens when they get out? Will we have indefinite sentences? Will people be able to rent you, own you, take you out early for whatever purpose (and then put you back in)? What if you can be used and earn credit towards reducing your sentence? What if people commit crime because they want to sit out their existence for some time until their circumstances or environment gets better?

The problem with the Netflix adaptation isn't that it brings up a lot of issues and then doesn't examine them. That's just part of the book.

I remember my first time reading Altered Carbon and getting to the part with the Hotel Hendrix, The Raven in the Netflix series, and thinking "I'd love to read an entire book about the AI hotel wars." It was a novel and fascinating concept.

And it was purposefully glossed over because it happened three centuries before the main story took place and tastes and technology preferences had changed. However cool the AI hotels might have been at the time they had become a curious footnote in the city's history. Now they just added a wonderful bit of color to the story's background and hinted to other interesting things might exist or happened that have also been largely forgotten.

The other part of boogle's issue is something that, unfortunately, the Netflix adaptation seriously f*cking mangled.

Spoiler:

In the books the Envoys are part spy, part shock trooper. They were specifically created so that they could be needlecast to and decanted on any planet where there was a problem and be instantly acclimated to whatever society was there. They just weren't designed and trained to adapt to re-sleeving. They were designed and trained to adapt to the local culture and customs and be largely indistinguishable from the natives.

The story can bounce from cutting to orgies because it's Kovacs story and he's trained to adapt to the local culture, no matter how weird. In the case of the story part of it is adapting to the culture of exceptionally rich and exceptionally bored people who have lived too long and have access to things like clones and genetically engineered designer drugs. For Kovacs it's not weird or notable, it just is.

Potential future gem: Netflix poached two of The Daily Show's cast who are each getting their own shows.

Michelle Wolf and Hasan Minaj.

I think both of them are great and will be sorely missed on TDS. Talent like theirs doesn’t stick around that long on that show though.

My wife and I watched The Cloverfield Paradox. We were both unimpressed. We found most everything uninteresting and shallow, with mundane performances all around, save for two.

10 Cloverfield Lane, we watched prior, and found it to be worth the time.

To think we paused from our The Next Generation binge for this.

Berlin Babylon just gets better and better, but the later episodes are starting to get horrifying. I think I have three left now.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

Berlin Babylon just gets better and better, but the later episodes are starting to get horrifying. I think I have three left now.

Greta is f*cking awesome.

And it gets much more horrifying.

Netflix added some stuff I like this month. I just rewatched both of the The Descent movies. The second is the lesser of the two but I still like them both. They seem to really ha e been written as two parts of a whole story.

OG_slinger wrote:
tuffalobuffalo wrote:

Berlin Babylon just gets better and better, but the later episodes are starting to get horrifying. I think I have three left now.

Greta is f*cking awesome.

And it gets much more horrifying.

I finished it last night! Wonderfully thrilling show. I can't wait for the next season.

Huh, given that Berlin Babylon is an European production I'd thought that it'd be on local Netflix. Nope. Weird.

Suvanto wrote:

Huh, given that Berlin Babylon is an European production I'd thought that it'd be on local Netflix. Nope. Weird.

Often times Netflix buys out international rights to movies/shows as a cheap(er) way to get content. Like how some American shows are available on Netflix over there but on television/other streaming services here. It's probably available on demand from some (possibly obscure) cable channel for you.

bnpederson wrote:
Suvanto wrote:

Huh, given that Berlin Babylon is an European production I'd thought that it'd be on local Netflix. Nope. Weird.

Often times Netflix buys out international rights to movies/shows as a cheap(er) way to get content. Like how some American shows are available on Netflix over there but on television/other streaming services here. It's probably available on demand from some (possibly obscure) cable channel for you.

It's a co-production of ARD, a consortium of German public broadcasters, and Sky. It was broadcast outside of Germany last year via Sky Atlantic.

Netflix picked up the rights for the US and Canada only, apparently.

Mute was meh. A bunch of it was pretty incoherent but for the most part it was pretty look at for a lower budget sort of sci fi film. They go really garish with the costumes and deeper into some touchy subjects than I was comfortable with, but that's just me. (and its not the bizarre sex robots)

Seeing a slightly futuristic world through the eyes of someone with a handicap is probably the main redeeming quality of the film.

I've fallen asleep trying to watch it.

Twice.