MMA Catch All Thread.

Now I want to re-watch Enter The Dragon.

So is that a "yes" on Khabib being able to travel to fight?

I broke down and watched Covid Fights tonight.

I've NEVER seen Ubereem looks so small against an opponent.

Top_Shelf wrote:

I broke down and watched Covid Fights tonight.

I've NEVER seen Ubereem looks so small against an opponent.

Overreem underreemed his steroidereems.

Horsemeats a helluva drug.

I got a free 25 dollar bet on UFC 250, who we got team

Installed a new fence in my backyard today so I'm going to indulge myself in a guilty pleasure of an actual UFC PPV.

Pulling for all the underdogs with Aldo, Max and Masvidal.

But I think they all lose.

Am most pulling for Masvidal because if he wins, we could get Nate/Jorge II and I can't get enough Diaz bros.

So glad it's Bisping tonight on the call and no Rogan.

Top_Shelf wrote:

So glad it's Bisping tonight on the call and no Rogan.

Is Rogan a crappy commentator now? Or maybe you are annoyed by him?

I loath Rohan’s other work, when not commentating on MMA, but back when I watched a lot of it Rogan was my favorite commentator simply because he is so incredibly knowledgeable about the sport. I learned a lot about pro MMA from paying attention to what Rogan says; to the point where I could predict far in advance when someone was going to get knocked out.

My son would be mystified by that. Me: the guy in red is going to get knocked out. Son: how do you know? Me: he’s holding his left arm too low and the other guy looks like he has a wicked looping right hook.

A few seconds later: BAM lights out.

Back in the day, I really enjoyed him.

But I just feel like I'm worn out on his style. This is all super subjective but things I don't like include:

He gets really focused on one thing and just keeps hammering it. "See?! He did it again!"

His rapport with others doesn't feel right. He's a huge star now (unlike when he was most known for Fear Factor) and I feel like that's always in the background. It worked better when he was the "fan" who was there looking "up" to the fighters and the sport (it helped that goofy Goldie was doing play/play). Now I feel like others are more deferential to him. I don't feel like the conversations between him and Dominick Cruz (as an example) are between "equals" they very much feel like an athlete with a middling Q rating and an A or B+ listed celebrity. It just feels off because he's now the biggest celebrity unless McGregor or somebody is fighting. Some people's personalities or star power outshine the product. Kind of like if you put Howard Stern or Robert Downey Jr or Justin Bieber in an NFL booth. The factual analysis could be world class and it would still overshadow the other announcer and/or product. This is why Tony Romo works so well in the NFL.

Jon Anik brings a level of professionalism to the announcing and Rogan's fanboyism feels anachronistic. Contrast with Cruz, Bisping and especially DC. They never ever overshadow the call.

Again, this is ultra subjective.

My only commentary beef with Rogan is he’s so repetitive. Granted, that’s hard not to do after doing the job for so so many years but if like every time someone mentions ring rust and he does his two minutes on that and someone mentions judging and he does his two minutes on that.... DC and Cruz are maybe as great at why I love Rogan most—he’s an educator—but Anik on the other hand is a not-stupid Goldberg so I get a lot less from watching when he’s on. Who I really miss the most is Brian Stann, since he was so concise, certainly influenced by his military career.

When Anik first started he was so bad that I would mute the audio. He called practically everything wrong. I would be screaming at the TV trying to argue with him, but he couldn’t hear me.

Anik has gotten much better, and more confident. Part of the reason he was so hard for me to listen to a while back was that he sounded like he was afraid of the microphone.

I might think more highly of Rogan if I never heard his podcast. He is such a classic example of the Dunning/Kruger effect. He’s sharp as a whip when talking about MMA, but a complete buffoon when talking about anything else.

RawkGWJ wrote:

I might think more highly of Rogan if I never heard his podcast. He is such a classic example of the Dunning/Kruger effect.

Interesting. Maybe you and have been listening to different episodes—I stick mostly to the MMA, science, sport psychology, and history episodes, but also note I’ve been mostly out of the podcast game since no commute for several months—and I’ve almost always been impressed with his ability to interview experts from a place of acknowledged ignorance.

Keithustus wrote:

My only commentary beef with Rogan is he’s so repetitive. Granted, that’s hard not to do after doing the job for so so many years but if like every time someone mentions ring rust and he does his two minutes on that and someone mentions judging and he does his two minutes on that.... DC and Cruz are maybe as great at why I love Rogan most—he’s an educator—but Anik on the other hand is a not-stupid Goldberg so I get a lot less from watching when he’s on. Who I really miss the most is Brian Stann, since he was so concise, certainly influenced by his military career.

Brian Stann. Oh man, I miss the old WEC! And you are 100% right on about his color commentary. He was excellent.

Keithustus wrote:
RawkGWJ wrote:

I might think more highly of Rogan if I never heard his podcast. He is such a classic example of the Dunning/Kruger effect.

Interesting. Maybe you and have been listening to different episodes—I stick mostly to the MMA, science, sport psychology, and history episodes, but also note I’ve been mostly out of the podcast game since no commute for several months—and I’ve almost always been impressed with his ability to interview experts from a place of acknowledged ignorance.

I’m thinking of this episode of the Rogan podcast where he was having a long conversation with “Cowboy” Donald Cerroni. They started out by smoking a lot of pot. Next they talked about how high they were, moved on to some insider drama about Cowboy’s former trainer. Then they had a long conversation about this secret society that they had both visited on separate occasions. It’s was super bizarre. It’s some cult organization where people can pay a large amount of money to ingest the cults proprietary hallucinogenic drug. I mean, to each their own, but they were gushing about how great it was, and all I could think about was how risky and stupid that behavior is and how glorifying it in a public forum is really irresponsible.

As an example, I know plenty of people who expound upon the glorious effects of pot use, admittedly a low risk drug, but which can have serious negative side effects for some people, specifically myself.

Sorry for the rant.

Rogan was in context pretty good back in the day when he was paired with Mike Goldberg, who was absolutely the worst play-by-play guy working in professional sports. He's still OK -- he's still very knowledgeable, but he's a complete homer, and I'm tired of his shtick after listening to him for years.

DC is great behind the mic. Paul Felder is a close second -- he's not as famous as Cormier, and he's a little too low key sometime, but he knows his stuff. Cruz, meanwhile, has a punchable voice (and face).

I love me some Rose Namajunas, but I honestly thought Andrade was going to smash her like a bug again. I thought that fight was too close to call and would have loved to have seen another round.

I’m such a fan of Namajunas, since her first appearance on TUF. At first I just thought it was cool that this quiet, humble, unassuming lady was obliterating her competition. Then she took a stand for victims of sexual abuse with Pat Barry encouraging and supporting her.

Many other notably honorable actions followed. I was 100% in her corner when she fought and defeated that anorexic Polish lady, who tried to throw Rose off of her game by saying incredibly defamatory and inflammatory things about Rose and the entire community of sexual abuse survivors.

Then Rose came out with her head buzzed, looking like a cross between Furiousa and a rock star. Though her appearance was outrageous, she remained humble and continued to dominate her competition.

That lady inspires me! I’m glad she won.

Everything Rawk said, plus I’m not a fan at all of dropping people on their head so ya, wasn’t at all happy about fight one.

Keithustus wrote:

Everything Rawk said, plus I’m not a fan at all of dropping people on their head so ya, wasn’t at all happy about fight one.

Rose discovered the one time you should let go of a kimura.