Car lovers?

My car is stock 138 HP.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

My car is stock 138 HP. :lol:

117 furious yet highly economical horses! This is like golf, right? The lower the better?

My 430hp gets 25-27 highway MPG as well, when I'm behaving

I do miss my old Jeep's 4.0L inline straight-six sometimes.

My problem with the Challenger is that it's just way too damn heavy, even in its six cylinder form.

The Mustang is lighter than the Camaro by a couple hundred pounds which is in turn lighter than the Challenger by even more.

And really I still wish the Mustang was lighter.

Of the big three muscle cars though, the Challenger wins in the looks department easy. They did it right. Now just get that thing on a diet.

I think for any future vehicle purchases one of my primary requirements will be a curb weight much closer to or below 3000 pounds.

My car has 118 wonderful and economical bhp. It also pulls low 40s on the highway and 30ish around town

AnimeJ wrote:

My car has 118 wonderful and economical bhp. It also pulls low 40s on the highway and 30ish around town :)

Is that your MINI? Fistbump for the basically identical numbers!

Gravey wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:

My car has 118 wonderful and economical bhp. It also pulls low 40s on the highway and 30ish around town :)

Is that your MINI? Fistbump for the basically identical numbers!

Yep. One of these days I'll get pictures of it, it's an 06 5 speed and just a joy to drive.

Ended up behind a Mercedes SLS at a red light on my way home from work. Don't really know much about it other than it succeeded the SLR.

Can anyone suggest me some 7-seater family SUV?

Some that we might consider:

Buick Enclave
Infiniti J series (very new)
Acura MDX
Toyota Highlander (hybrid or something)
Mazda CX-9

Speaking of Mazda and car ownership, at the Houston Dynamo games there is a lot right next to the stadium that is free and exclusively for Mazda owners! I thought that was extremely cool, but not cool enough to influence my decision (especially as I don't know when I'll make my second ever game).

Ford Expedition? It's in the same size class as the Highlander, perhaps somewhat larger. The issue I'd have(actually needing seven seats in my family vehicle) is that none of those will seat 7 comfortably; they're all really small. So while you'll have decent room up front, marginal room in the middle, the rear row winds up being akin to the backseat of a Mini Cooper. Really bad if you have normal size people or carseats to cram in. So, yea, none of those at all; look into Suburbans/Expeditions and things of that size. Failing that, Minivan/Swagger Wagon.

We liked the new Fords, but they got really terrible reviews. They also have motorized third rows that fold flat, but I'm just betting the motor burns out during our ownership of the car.

We don't need to fit 7, ever. We need to fit four all the time (which our Honda CRV does), and occasionally add the mother in law.

I have been a big fan of the Jeep Commander. It's a bit big for what I would ever need; but they're comfortable and l believe they are able to seat 7. Plus it avoids the mommy wagon look and you can get a 4x4 if you want. Only issue; you can only get them used as they stopped making them in 2010.

Ugh. The Jeep Commander is friggin grotesque. They took my beloved Cherokee and injected it with the Joker's Titan formula, resulting in a big mutant monstrosity that just turns the stomach.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Can anyone suggest me some 7-seater family SUV?

Some that we might consider:

Buick Enclave
Infiniti J series (very new)
Acura MDX
Toyota Highlander (hybrid or something)
Mazda CX-9

We have a Nissan Pathfinder. The third row seats two kids comfortably. It seats two adults. The second row seats are pretty roomy. With the third row up there isn't much room in the storage area. I love the pathfinder but reliability of the little things has been substandard. Nothing major has gone wrong but in the 5 years we've had it I've had to replace the shift-lock assembly ($800), the fuel door and fuel guage (about $700), the tire pressure sensor in one of the tires (warranty work), the fuel door sensor (warranty), and the tire sensor (not yet fixed) again. In addition, one of the tires has a slow leak which I believe is something with the rim. We just had brand new tires put on and it still does it. It's very slow but it gets low before any of the others. It runs great and gets decent gas mileage (16/20).

Another one to look at is the Honda Pilot. Very similar to the Pathfinder. The Nissan had a nicer display when we got it and the Nissan dealer gave us a much better deal than the honda dealer. If the Honda dealer had been close we may have chosen it instead.

Blondish83 wrote:

Plus it avoids the mommy wagon look...

I'm actually coming around to the idea that sports wagons are much cooler than SUVs. Stuff like the CTS wagon and offerings from Audio and BMW specifically. Downmarket, stuff like the Mazda3 5 door or Subaru.

Anyone have recommendations for a mid-size sporty (preferably 4 door) car? My wife is planning on buying a new vehicle after almost 13 years with her first car out of college (2000 Grand Am). She is looking for something a little bigger but still good gas mileage. It should be somewhat sporty. Max budget is 25k. Currently her list is the Dodge Avenger and that's it. Used is okay but nothing older than 2011. The best thing about her Grand Am was the reliability. We went 13 years without doing anything but general maintenance on it. Unfortunately, I don't think Dodge is all that reliable but she does like the look of them.

EvilHomer3k wrote:

Anyone have recommendations for a mid-size sporty (preferably 4 door) car? My wife is planning on buying a new vehicle after almost 13 years with her first car out of college (2000 Grand Am). She is looking for something a little bigger but still good gas mileage. It should be somewhat sporty. Max budget is 25k. Currently her list is the Dodge Avenger and that's it. Used is okay but nothing older than 2011. The best thing about her Grand Am was the reliability. We went 13 years without doing anything but general maintenance on it. Unfortunately, I don't think Dodge is all that reliable but she does like the look of them.

I think you can get a 1 series bmw for close to 25.

We need to seat 5 (3 in carseats) all the time, and ended up getting a minivan (Honda Odyssey). I know a lot of people find minivans repellent, but it was the most practical choice for us in terms of mileage and seating, and it still pretty much feels like a car to drive.

Whichever way you go, I think the most important thing for a 7 seater is that the interior be configurable. If you can't remove and reconfigure the seating I'd give it a pass. Being able to drop the rear row of seats is nice, but what we did on our cross-country drive last summer was remove most of the middle row, and even with a cooler etc we had room for a little family picnic or just playtime in the car with the door closed. If you're only carrying adults that may not be a big deal, but with a horde of kids this was really great for us.

ibdoomed wrote:
EvilHomer3k wrote:

Anyone have recommendations for a mid-size sporty (preferably 4 door) car? My wife is planning on buying a new vehicle after almost 13 years with her first car out of college (2000 Grand Am). She is looking for something a little bigger but still good gas mileage. It should be somewhat sporty. Max budget is 25k. Currently her list is the Dodge Avenger and that's it. Used is okay but nothing older than 2011. The best thing about her Grand Am was the reliability. We went 13 years without doing anything but general maintenance on it. Unfortunately, I don't think Dodge is all that reliable but she does like the look of them.

I think you can get a 1 series bmw for close to 25.

He wants 4 door, and the 1 series starts at $31K or so.

What about the Mazdaspeed 3? They start at $25,000.

complexmath wrote:

We need to seat 5 (3 in carseats) all the time, and ended up getting a minivan (Honda Odyssey). I know a lot of people find minivans repellent, but it was the most practical choice for us in terms of mileage and seating, and it still pretty much feels like a car to drive.

We did the same. Of course, I've reached an age where I could care less if anyone bothers to judge me by what I'm driving.

MannishBoy wrote:
ibdoomed wrote:
EvilHomer3k wrote:

Anyone have recommendations for a mid-size sporty (preferably 4 door) car? My wife is planning on buying a new vehicle after almost 13 years with her first car out of college (2000 Grand Am). She is looking for something a little bigger but still good gas mileage. It should be somewhat sporty. Max budget is 25k. Currently her list is the Dodge Avenger and that's it. Used is okay but nothing older than 2011. The best thing about her Grand Am was the reliability. We went 13 years without doing anything but general maintenance on it. Unfortunately, I don't think Dodge is all that reliable but she does like the look of them.

I think you can get a 1 series bmw for close to 25.

He wants 4 door, and the 1 series starts at $31K or so.

What about the Mazdaspeed 3? They start at $25,000.

Ah, thought they had 4 doors. I lost track never having looked at anything beyond 2. And no one pays msrp for common vehicles...

Gravey wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:

My car is stock 138 HP. :lol:

117 furious yet highly economical horses! This is like golf, right? The lower the better?

Tiny horsepower represent. I'm looking forward to the Focus Eco Boost being brought here. The new focus already looks really nice, but 45 MPG on a 3 cylinder engine without the hybrid premium will be really nice. I've got to replace my Buick Regal. I'm lucky if I hit 18 MPG.

ibdoomed wrote:

And no one pays msrp for common vehicles...

You don't say?

But that's 20% back of list on a BMW even at the base model car price. Looking on the web, the dealer invoice on a 128i, they start at $29K. Unless there's some really good promotions going on, you aren't going to be able to buy a BMW for $4K under dealer invoice.

Personally, I wouldn't drive a BMW if you paid me. Same for a Lexus.

Gravey wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:

My car is stock 138 HP. :lol:

117 furious yet highly economical horses! This is like golf, right? The lower the better?

I'm betting that, like me, you still end up on the acceleration lane screaming at some oblivious ass hat to "Step on the f*cking gas!"

ibdoomed wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
ibdoomed wrote:
EvilHomer3k wrote:

Anyone have recommendations for a mid-size sporty (preferably 4 door) car? My wife is planning on buying a new vehicle after almost 13 years with her first car out of college (2000 Grand Am). She is looking for something a little bigger but still good gas mileage. It should be somewhat sporty. Max budget is 25k. Currently her list is the Dodge Avenger and that's it. Used is okay but nothing older than 2011. The best thing about her Grand Am was the reliability. We went 13 years without doing anything but general maintenance on it. Unfortunately, I don't think Dodge is all that reliable but she does like the look of them.

I think you can get a 1 series bmw for close to 25.

He wants 4 door, and the 1 series starts at $31K or so.

What about the Mazdaspeed 3? They start at $25,000.

Ah, thought they had 4 doors. I lost track never having looked at anything beyond 2. And no one pays msrp for common vehicles...

I second the Mazdaspeed 3 if you really want a sporty car. It's only available in stick shift and the suspension is firm. The car is fast though for a 4 door.

How about the VW GTI? It's probably a little more comfortable than the Mazda and still fun. It might be a bit over 25k though.

Secret Asian Man wrote:
ibdoomed wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
ibdoomed wrote:
EvilHomer3k wrote:

Anyone have recommendations for a mid-size sporty (preferably 4 door) car? My wife is planning on buying a new vehicle after almost 13 years with her first car out of college (2000 Grand Am). She is looking for something a little bigger but still good gas mileage. It should be somewhat sporty. Max budget is 25k. Currently her list is the Dodge Avenger and that's it. Used is okay but nothing older than 2011. The best thing about her Grand Am was the reliability. We went 13 years without doing anything but general maintenance on it. Unfortunately, I don't think Dodge is all that reliable but she does like the look of them.

I think you can get a 1 series bmw for close to 25.

He wants 4 door, and the 1 series starts at $31K or so.

What about the Mazdaspeed 3? They start at $25,000.

Ah, thought they had 4 doors. I lost track never having looked at anything beyond 2. And no one pays msrp for common vehicles...

I second the Mazdaspeed 3 if you really want a sporty car. It's only available in stick shift and the suspension is firm. The car is fast though for a 4 door.

How about the VW GTI? It's probably a little more comfortable than the Mazda and still fun. It might be a bit over 25k though.

My 07 was only 22k but no idea about the new ones. Be careful though, dealership service for VW is notoriously crappy so while I love my car, I'll never buy another VW. Audi dealers won't warranty service VW's (at least not around here).

MannishBoy wrote:
ibdoomed wrote:

And no one pays msrp for common vehicles...

You don't say?

But that's 20% back of list on a BMW even at the base model car price. Looking on the web, the dealer invoice on a 128i, they start at $29K. Unless there's some really good promotions going on, you aren't going to be able to buy a BMW for $4K under dealer invoice.

I've got several friends with 1's and 3's and I swear one of them said he got a very base 1 for 25k. I'll have to grill him and see if he was exaggerating (probably given your numbers) but he didn't trade...

The Mazda looks sporty but also a bit on the small side. Her chief complaint about the Grand Am was that it was too small. We have two boys and they'll both be teens by the time she gets a new car. The car only needs to be sporty in looks. It doesn't have to actually be a sports car (though a 6 cylinder is a definite plus). How is the interior of the Mazda? Is there a decent amount of trunk space?

If it were less pricey a Nissan Maxima would be high on MY list. I've done some research and the Avenger is one of the sportier vehicles out there in the price range.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Can anyone suggest me some 7-seater family SUV?

Some that we might consider:

Buick Enclave
Infiniti J series (very new)
Acura MDX
Toyota Highlander (hybrid or something)
Mazda CX-9

Check out the Audi Q5/7 too Fed.