Car lovers?

I wouldn't compare it to a Camaro but since you test drove it's siblings, I like the Kona N.

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How did you feel about the visibility in the Camaro? That is the biggest knock I remember. Did you think it was different enough from your 428 to make it worthwhile to buy?

How about a Subaru BRZ? Maybe an older Corvette? Just personally, I don't really get the muscle car thing. I associate them with dudes just out of high school who've got their first steady paycheck.

Camaros specifically I associate with the new police recruits getting their training at the local academy.

polq37 wrote:

How about a Subaru BRZ? Maybe an older Corvette? Just personally, I don't really get the muscle car thing. I associate them with dudes just out of high school who've got their first steady paycheck.

Camaros specifically I associate with the new police recruits getting their training at the local academy.

When I see a corvette, I think potbellied divorcee.

When I see a camero, I think mullet and porn stache.

Buy what you like. I like all kinds of stuff. American muscle. Japanese sports cars. European sports sedans. Trucks. Performance SUVs.

I don't worry about stereotypes of the cars I drive. Screw the people that judge you by your car

Unless you drive an Altima with plastic hub caps. Then I know you have bad credit. (I kid, I heard a comedian say that and it stuck in my brain)

LeapingGnome wrote:

How did you feel about the visibility in the Camaro? That is the biggest knock I remember. Did you think it was different enough from your 428 to make it worthwhile to buy?

So my previous GM experience is two different Cadillac CTS Coupes which had very similar visibility to the Camaro. I’m pretty used to it as a result. But also I’m making sure if I do buy one, it’s the 2SS so I get blind spot monitors. Which I actually miss on my 428.

And yeah, very different experience from the 428. Obviously manual and auto is always a huge difference but while the 428 is a quick enough car, I do get frustrated with the turbo lag in situations where I want to accelerate quick. That’s why I prefer natural aspiration in this next purchase.

polq37 wrote:

How about a Subaru BRZ? Maybe an older Corvette? Just personally, I don't really get the muscle car thing. I associate them with dudes just out of high school who've got their first steady paycheck.

Camaros specifically I associate with the new police recruits getting their training at the local academy.

I drove an FRS back in 2015 and it was fun but the driving experience is a bit too similar to my Miata. Corvettes, each generation has something that kinda turns me off. 7th gen might be okay but they’re a bit expensive and I wanted four seats since the Miata has 2.

MannishBoy wrote:

Buy what you like. I like all kinds of stuff. American muscle. Japanese sports cars. European sports sedans. Trucks. Performance SUVs.

I don't worry about stereotypes of the cars I drive. Screw the people that judge you by your car :)

Agree totally. It’s a large spectrum of experiences and you only get so many chances. I’m middle aged now, have a good job, decent house, good five year old daughter. I drive my old Miata around, hairdresser’s car that it is, with nails that my daughter sloppily painted a few nights before. I am beyond anyone else’s judgment.

As to why I’m thinking muscle car (pony car, technically) is just something I’ve never experienced. I’ve had NA V6s, turbo 4s, NA 4s, manuals and automatics. Never a V8. And they’re disappearing so I want to get that experience while I still can.

Paleocon wrote:
polq37 wrote:

How about a Subaru BRZ? Maybe an older Corvette? Just personally, I don't really get the muscle car thing. I associate them with dudes just out of high school who've got their first steady paycheck.

Camaros specifically I associate with the new police recruits getting their training at the local academy.

When I see a corvette, I think potbellied divorcee.

When I see a camero, I think mullet and porn stache.

The '69 Camaro was one of the best looking muscle cars of all time. So was the C3 Corvette. Unfortunately the 70s and 80s happened and muscle cars were ruined for a few generations.

The C8 Corvette is a good-looking European super-car without the pain of buying a European super-car. The new Camaro... not so much.

I got excited about the C8 Corvette when it was announced but the more I see them, it’s just a bit too much for me. No manual is also a deal breaker in a car I’m buying strictly for fun driving.

Agree about the C3. By far my favorite classic car. But yeah they feel awfully sluggish and sloppy due to the malaise era they came from.

Have to agree to disagree about the 2010+ Camaro. I’ve loved how they look since they first came out and it feels the most buttoned down of the modern pony/muscle cars. Challenger felt huge and Mustang felt cheap by comparison. Just my opinion of course.

Back in '10 or '11 I was considering a new "muscle" car. Mustangs don't interest me, so I drove a 2010 Camaro SS and a 2010 Plum Crazy R/T Challenger.

The Challenger looked, sounded, and drove like an older muscle car. I loved it. The Camaro looked weak, sounded weak, but drove better as a car in general. The console area of the Camaro looked plasticky and cheap.

Some things happened so I didn't get either, but nothing could have convinced me to buy that Camaro back then (or now). I eventually got a Challenger R/T later on and loved it. I have never been a big fan of C/D/P, not even the old Mopars, but I loved that Challenger. I had to trade it to get the truck to pull our camper. Sad day.

As for the '69 Camaro mentioned above - a gal in my wife's class in High School had a '69 with beautiful charcoal gray paint, a 6-pack, and cherry bombs that sounded soooo sweet. Dream F'n Car. Her younger brother had a '67 El Camino that was amazing, too.

-BEP

bepnewt wrote:

Back in '10 or '11 I was considering a new "muscle" car. Mustangs don't interest me, so I drove a 2010 Camaro SS and a 2010 Plum Crazy R/T Challenger.

The Challenger looked, sounded, and drove like an older muscle car. I loved it. The Camaro looked weak, sounded weak, but drove better as a car in general. The console area of the Camaro looked plasticky and cheap.

Some things happened so I didn't get either, but nothing could have convinced me to buy that Camaro back then (or now). I eventually got a Challenger R/T later on and loved it. I have never been a big fan of C/D/P, not even the old Mopars, but I loved that Challenger. I had to trade it to get the truck to pull our camper. Sad day.

As for the '69 Camaro mentioned above - a gal in my wife's class in High School had a '69 with beautiful charcoal gray paint, a 6-pack, and cherry bombs that sounded soooo sweet. Dream F'n Car. Her younger brother had a '67 El Camino that was amazing, too.

-BEP

I haven’t driven a 5th gen (2010-2015) but the 6th (2016-2024) did not feel cheap or sound weak, at all. It’s also widely regarded as a far superior car to the 5th gen.

The 455 HP felt easier to actually apply than the 485 in the Challenger I drove.

On that note, I got something dangerous today… the okay from the wife to get a Camaro. She thought they were dumb in pictures but seeing in person and feeling it drive, she was sold.