Car lovers?

Congrats on the purchase! enjoy that power as much as the police let you get away with in sweeden.

Funny though, I always imagined that Greta would be a prius or an all electric car... or public transportation.

Peoj Snamreh wrote:

Well.. instead of buying a fun cabriolet I completely turned it upside down and ended up with a 1998 Dodge Durango Magnum V8 with a beast of a motor (4.7 or 5.6 liters or something like that).

...

She guzzles gas like a maniac, she roars like a Hydra when floored, and she spits out fumes and smoke like there is no tomorrow. I call her Greta, and I am already in Love.

Congratulations! You are now an honorary Oklahoman.

-BEP

ps. My old Buick has a 7-liter with glasspacks and it sounds divine.

bepnewt wrote:

ps. My old Buick has a 7-liter with glasspacks and it sounds divine.

Your old Buick doesn't know what a liter is. It's 425 cubic inches

MannishBoy wrote:
bepnewt wrote:

ps. My old Buick has a 7-liter with glasspacks and it sounds divine.

Your old Buick doesn't know what a liter is. It's 425 cubic inches :)

I did kinda lie. It IS a 425ci Nailhead, but I think that is just barely shy of a 7-liter. I think the Mopar 426ci engines were 7-liters.

Math is hard and I’m on vacation so I’ll leave the figurin’ up to the reader.

I do think it’s time to get rid of the car. I don’t give it enough attention.

-BEP

So, big switch here. From talking about a '64 Riv that probably gets about 10mpg to electric cars/suvs.

I know not much about EVs and we may be dumping Kit's '15 Explorer Sport for an AWD EV that has some cargo room. She carries some large instruments in her vehicle once in a while, so the room in back with the seats down is is important. She hasn't measured the bass xylophone, yet, so I don't have exact dimensions that are required.

I've driven the Model Y and the Volkswagen IQ.4, both of which have the space she needs. I haven't done any research beyond that, yet.

I see there is a Hyundai Ioniq 5 and a Suburu Solterra so I will go look at them some time soon.

Have any of you already compared E-Suvs and learned anything important or have opinions to share?

Range is important, so we'd be looking at the long range versions. From what I see, the Solterra AWD may not work. We'd want a usable range of at least 245 miles. I haven't looked yet to see if they have a LR model - gotta get back to work.

Thanks,
-BEP

We love our Subaru but haven't looked at EV since our parents are still pretty far away (400+ miles).

I have an F-150 Lighting Extended Range (so not an SUV) and it is awesome!

Take 2, after accidentally closing the browser...

Tach wrote:

I have an F-150 Lighting Extended Range (so not an SUV) and it is awesome!

I was sooooo close to buying a Lightning. I didn't like pulling our camper with Kit's Explorer Sport and wanted a truck. I almost bought a Lariat PowerBoost, but they were asking too much for it. Then the Lightnings were there but the lack of range when pulling a camper was a problem. I ended up getting a used 2019 F-150.

I looked at 3 more EVs yesterday. I'm only looking at AWD models because Kit insists she needs it for winter. I don't know if I can talk her out of that. We have a round-trip that we make which is 244 miles. It looks like there is 1 charging place on the route. I don't understand the charging systems - what cars can charge where, etc..

So far, this is my take on the ones I've looked at that have the required cargo space. I've only driven the Model Y so far:

Tesla Model Y AWD: 279mi Range (330 for LR version). Boring. Bland. Kit doesn't like that there is no instrument panel at all and doesn't like the idea of looking at the tablet to see her speed. Good range. They've been doing this long enough that I am more inclined to trust the important parts of the vehicle working and lasting. Supposedly their build quality is suspect, and that would influence my decision if it's really true.

Volkswagen ID.4 PRO: 245mi Range. Looks nice, inside and out. Range is low. It's under consideration. Needs research.

Kia EV6 AWD Wind: 252mi Range. Looks nice, inside and out. Range is a little low. I've never had a good feeling about the Kia brand, but I have nothing to back that up. Does NOT qualify for the $7,500 tax credit which means it probably won't be considered.

Hyundai Ionic 5 SEL AWD: 266mi Range. Pretty much the same as the Kia.

Stele wrote:

We love our Subaru but haven't looked at EV since our parents are still pretty far away (400+ miles).

Suburu Solterra (AWD): 222mi Range. Range is bad. I really liked this one and still plan on driving it. Opposite of the Kia, I have a good feeling about Suburus, although, again, I have nothing to back that up. What did piss me off is the sales kid told me it had a range of around 280 miles when we were out looking at it. Only after we were back inside and I started asking questions did he say the range is more like 220 and you can get 280 if you don't run the AC, etc. It's been over 100F here off and on for a while and he's feeding me a number based on not running the AC. If I do buy one of these, it won't be from him.

I haven't looked at the Mazda, yet. I am also going to look at Plug-in Hybrids.

-BEP

bepnewt wrote:

EV shopping.

-BEP

Disclaimer, not currently an EV owner but have been following all of the above cars and more.

From all of the reviews that I have read, the Solterra (and the Toyota variant) are not good buys. Besides the poor range, they also charge slowly, so very impractical for road trips.

You mention unease about the Korean badges, but their overall quality has come a long way, and I believe they are considered just a notch below the Japanese brands in overall quality, and probably better than most American makes. Both the EV6 and Ionic 5 have received glowing reviews.

Additionally, I don't know that it is useful to compare an automaker's ICE history as a useful indicator for EVs, at least as far as reliability. EVs have so few moving parts, get their batteries from the same suppliers that the advantages or shortcomings of a brand probably only effect things like fit and finish and or customer support; both areas where you have rightly deduced that Tesla still struggles.

As far as the future of NA charging; it sure looks like all of the automakers are going to be using the Tesla charging standard, which in theory will mean that most EVs will have at least some access to the Supercharger network via adapter and still to be rolled out new app access? Realistically, true Supercharger integration probably won't happen until the other automakers switch over to that chargeport in the next year or so.

You didn't include it in your list, but the Chevy Equinox EV and the Volvo EX30 are both due this year, and start at 30 and 35K.

Personally, if money were no object, I'd buy a Rivian. However, as money is an object for my household, and if I were buying right now, I'd actually lean towards the Rav4 Prime Phev, 40 miles of electric range and no range anxiety. Or, I'd wait a little bit longer for reviews to land for the Equinox and EX30.

Appreciate all the input, Badferret. I'm glad to hear my no-basis skittishness on the Kia and Hyundai is indeed baseless.

It has all turned out to be moot, however. After days of discussing, the Kitter is denying the purchase of an EV. We have sort of met in the middle on either a Hybrid or a PHEV. I was close to pulling the trigger on an Escape PHEV until they told me the real price which was $3k higher because of the added ceramic coating and tint bullsh*t so it ended there. I'm keeping my eyes on some more and we're also looking at standard Escape Hybrids.

Her family has always been a Ford family so getting her off of a Ford will not be easy. If we do land on a normal Hybrid, I'll do some research on reliability/resale because an option I may pursue is get a semi-low mile Hybrid for now and then trade it in 3 years on an EV if the infrastructure in here for it in bum-f***-Oklahoma. She has agreed that is a good enough plan. Not as good of a plan as a Mach-E now, but it's all about compromise, right?

Kit WANTS a Bronco Sport. I can't get myself to spend that much $$$ on a vehicle that gets poor gas mileage and I think is overpriced - especially when we don't need a new vehicle. Her 2015 Explorer Sport only has 62,000 miles on it. The upside of waiting is the other EVs that will be appearing in the future. A Ford Bronco Sport EV would solve all my problems; if they had that in an EV, I believe her want for the Bronco Sport would break through her EV anxiety.

I watched the Technology Connections video on the Tesla plug "win". It's a good-ish thing.

-BEP

I'm admittedly not very knowledgeable about EVs, but how reliable are those range numbers? Like, if you NEED 240, and they advertise 250, I'd have a hard time relying on that. Even if it gets 250 the day it rolls off the line, won't there be some gradual drop-off as the battery ages?

My impression of EVs right now is that they are cool enough for me to take a look, but so far they're only good buys for enthusiasts who are excited enough about them that they're willing to give up a little convenience and reliability.

bepnewt wrote:

Kit WANTS a Bronco Sport. I can't get myself to spend that much $$$ on a vehicle that gets poor gas mileage and I think is overpriced - especially when we don't need a new vehicle. Her 2015 Explorer Sport only has 62,000 miles on it. The upside of waiting is the other EVs that will be appearing in the future. A Ford Bronco Sport EV would solve all my problems; if they had that in an EV, I believe her want for the Bronco Sport would break through her EV anxiety.

The Bronco Sports are really appealing looking cars, but apparently the crash testing isn't great. When I was car shopping earlier this year, I noticed that it looked like the load capacity of the earliest model year Bronco Sports was significantly higher than newer years. It made me wonder if they had removed some structural material.

Anyway, I'm a few months into owning my new CX-50 and I couldn't be happier. It has an uncluttered functional elegance that reminds me of my old E30 BMW. And, it delivers that feeling I get from using a tool made by people who really care about using the tool, rather than just selling the tool.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

I'm admittedly not very knowledgeable about EVs, but how reliable are those range numbers? Like, if you NEED 240, and they advertise 250, I'd have a hard time relying on that. Even if it gets 250 the day it rolls off the line, won't there be some gradual drop-off as the battery ages?

My impression of EVs right now is that they are cool enough for me to take a look, but so far they're only good buys for enthusiasts who are excited enough about them that they're willing to give up a little convenience and reliability.

Also not an expert, but yes, batteries can degrade over time (see also your phone). Also temperatures can greatly affect range, with very significant losses in cold weather. I think also they're kind of the inverse of an ICE car in that you do better on range in city driving vs highway, mainly due to regenerative braking.

I personally don't think they're quite there for road trips due to recharge times and flaky charging infrastructure. They also seem challenged for heavy loads and towing, as ranges drop very quickly. They seem great for local commuting if you can charge at home. Also there's a market for them in performance cars in straight lines, although the weight increases probably hamper handling.

Yeah a client of mine mentioned the Tesla battery warranty period is typically when the vehicle price rapidly tanks as it is expensive to replace the battery. I assume that's going to be the case with all EVs.

I can't comment re all the brands mentioned, only saying I was impressed with a hired Toyota Prius Hybrid when I got something like 780km out of a single tank of fuel in Northern Ireland. Obviously a Prius is not going to tow something substantial so it might not fit your needs, but for a city car, I'd definitely look into hybrids.

The one thing I'd want out of a new car is AWD simply to avoid hiring and fitting snow chains for our annual snow trip. There were charging stations along the 560km or so drive I noticed along the way but yeah it might not be so convenient in remote areas until charging stations are more ubiquitous.

My 2011 Nissan Rogue transmission died so it's worth nothing. Donating it to Kars4Kids. But my wife is starting a new job in two weeks and we will need a second car besides my 2006 Saab 9-3 which I recently put some work into to keep it going. I love that car.

I'm running into the high prices everyone keeps talking about. My budget is max $20k (really $16k if you add in tax, title and new insurance). I've checked my local dealership, Carvana, CarMax and Enterprise. I'm seeing $18k prices for a car with 60-80k miles on it already and several years old.

Anyone have any hot tips for finding better used car deals? Other than rolling the dice on an individual seller not handing me a lemon?

Cargurus is my go-to site, makes it pretty easy to find great values.

That said, modern cars are a lot more reliable than cars even 15 years ago. I wouldn’t necessarily shy away from a car with 60k miles if it’s modern, has a reputation for reliability, and has been serviced regularly.

We just sold our 2015 Ford Explorer Sport with 64k miles for $16,500. Traded it in, actually. I could have gotten about $2k more for it if I would have sold it privately, but then I have to deal with people kicking tires and wanting to test drive it all the time. Carvana and those places were low-balling like crazy.

Getting something (relatively) new for $20k, and is a vehicle you want to drive, isn't going to be easy these days. My only suggestion is going with a brand and model that is known for reliability. I really tried to convince my wife to get away from Ford with her new car, but she wouldn't budge. We did make the deal that I get to choose her next car so a small win for me.

-BEP

Massive grain of salt here because I haven’t actually used this myself but after hearing Rob Zacny talk about it on the HOA podcast that remap I’ve been keeping an eye on cars and bids, which is a car auction website run by some guy who has a YouTube Carr channel. The focus is on unusual or interesting cars so there’s plenty of stuff on there that is definitely not suitable as a daily driver, there are some practical cars that pop up as well. It’s an auction website so it’s not nearly straightforward as just going down to a dealer and buying a car, but you may be able to stretch a budget a little farther.

And... Crashed my 25 year old Dodge Durango and it's scrap now... But God, I loved that car.

As you probably get from the news, The roads in Sweden can be awful during winter. I was on a notoriously bad road driving 60 km/h, were 70 was allowed. I slipped, changed gear into 4WD and backed down to 40 km/h... still got into a horrible skidd and went from 40 to 0 due to a collission with a very, very big Viking Stone.

The stone won, Luckily only my shoulder is kind of stiff - but the front and back door are completely broken.

Time to save so money and look for another monster-car. It is sad, but I'm allright... I loved that car

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Peoj Snamreh, sorry to hear. Looks like it was getting a bit rusty in the floorboard area anyway, probably due to the weather there.

Best of luck finding a replacement.

WellAdjusted wrote:

Massive grain of salt here because I haven’t actually used this myself but after hearing Rob Zacny talk about it on the HOA podcast that remap I’ve been keeping an eye on cars and bids, which is a car auction website run by some guy who has a YouTube Carr channel. The focus is on unusual or interesting cars so there’s plenty of stuff on there that is definitely not suitable as a daily driver, there are some practical cars that pop up as well. It’s an auction website so it’s not nearly straightforward as just going down to a dealer and buying a car, but you may be able to stretch a budget a little farther.

The guy that owns a portion of that is Doug DeMuro.

https://www.youtube.com/@DougDeMuro

I love driving on snow and ice. It'll get ya eventually if you like having fun.

Perhaps the opposite of car love. My wife has 90,000 miles on her Ford Escape and is back on her "we need a mini-van" push. I argue that

1) Right now we don't have a car payment, and that is nice.
2) Cars are stupid expensive right now, which may be because of the pandemic, but is more likely corporations using it as an excuse to price gauge, and
3) WE ARE A FAMILY OF THREE! Seriously, it is me, my wife, our son, and an old cat.

But, I often lose these fights. So do you guys have any mini-van recommendations? As best I can tell the only ones available in this country are the Honda Odyssey, the Kia Carnival, the Toyota Sienna, and the Chrysler Pacifica (in regular and hybrid).

Bonus points if there is a fun-ish small car for me to trade in my older Kia Soul for.

Ha! My wife campaigned for a minivan for our family of three too! She's been driving a Honda Odyssey for 6 years. It's been a solid car. Between that and the Element, I'd buy another Honda in a heartbeat.

I drive a WRX, and it has been useful to have a bigger vehicle for camping trips or hauling stuff around.

She's also ready to not have a minivan again now!

We have a Kia Sedona EX which I assume is the Kia Carnival now. It's big and has a ton of room. There's a lot of things I hate about it but they're mostly little things.
Dings at everything all the time. Try to lock the car before the sliding door is closed it dings. Try to open the door when its locked? Dings. Have a tiny bit of snow on the proximity sensor? Dings. Try to open the door before you're in park? It dings. Try to start the car before the door is closed? Dings and then starts opening the door. Hit the button to turn the engine off once too often or don't push the brake in when you start it? f*ck you I'm going to ding until you restart the car. Half the time it's dinging we have no idea why.

The remote start fob was taken out of the Oval office and was used for sending out nuclear missiles so it's a complicated mess of double click and hold the button just right so it will start. It's a separate fob for some stupid reason. It will run for 5 minutes and no more. If you get in the car during that five minutes it will turn off.

If you unlock the car with the fob you have 10 seconds to open the door or it re-locks.

You cannot lock it when it's running. Neither with the manual lock or the fob. All cars might be like this today though.

For the life of me I can't get the lights to come on when you open the doors. Light in the hatch will come on if you open the hatch but the interior lights only go on manually. There's a button for it but it only seems to be there to mock me.

It's loud. I have a 2012 Nissan Pathfinder and it's infinitely more quiet than driving this kia. When you shut the door you hear a very hollow sounding thump. Our model is a mid level trim with leather seats. You can't hear the kids when driving on the interstate. I wouldn't even expect the base model to be this loud.

The one touch window buttons are extremely touchy. If you let go of them too fast they'll trigger the windows to go back up.

It gets HOT in the summer. The front window is massive. You could play ice hockey on this window. I refer to the car as the green house.

What I like about it:
It's big. We have a family of 5 and can fit everything into it for a week long vacation and we take half the house.
The drivetrain is solid and we've had absolutely 0 issues of any kind in almost 4 years.
It drives pretty well overall.
Middle seat can be removed. Ours has been in the garage 99% of the time.
It's been durable enough for a family of 5 with 3 large dogs.
I can fit two bikes in without taking wheels off.
It's sort of sporty for a minivan.
It gets decent gas mileage.
It was well priced.
Sight lines in it are quite good.
Backup camera works very well.
AC/Heat work well.

Overall it's been a very solid vehicle mechanically. It does it's job well. It's the most annoying vehicle I've ever driven.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

As best I can tell the only ones available in this country are the Honda Odyssey, the Kia Carnival, the Toyota Sienna, and the Chrysler Pacifica (in regular and hybrid).

They don't make them anymore (last model year was 2020), but there's also the Dodge Grand Caravan. I've never owned one, but working in a tire center in Eastern PA for the last 4 years I've never seen one that wasn't an absolute rust bucket.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Bonus points if there is a fun-ish small car for me to trade in my older Kia Soul for.

I'll just leave this link here

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9el...

How small for your fun-ish small car? I had a couple of Miatas and they were a hoot.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Perhaps the opposite of car love. My wife has 90,000 miles on her Ford Escape and is back on her "we need a mini-van" push. I argue that

1) Right now we don't have a car payment, and that is nice.
2) Cars are stupid expensive right now, which may be because of the pandemic, but is more likely corporations using it as an excuse to price gauge, and
3) WE ARE A FAMILY OF THREE! Seriously, it is me, my wife, our son, and an old cat.

But, I often lose these fights. So do you guys have any mini-van recommendations? As best I can tell the only ones available in this country are the Honda Odyssey, the Kia Carnival, the Toyota Sienna, and the Chrysler Pacifica (in regular and hybrid).

Bonus points if there is a fun-ish small car for me to trade in my older Kia Soul for.

Daughter just got the Kia. Really nice so far.

Jonman wrote:

How small for your fun-ish small car? I had a couple of Miatas and they were a hoot.

Right now I have a Kia Soul that I love (but has all the keyfob issues mentioned by Homer with his Sedona). I mostly need something to take me to/from work and run the kid around if it is just me and him.

WellAdjusted wrote:

They don't make them anymore (last model year was 2020), but there's also the Dodge Grand Caravan. I've never owned one, but working in a tire center in Eastern PA for the last 4 years I've never seen one that wasn't an absolute rust bucket.

Good riddance. We've owned 2 (3?) Grand Caravans and they were all awful money-sinks.

The Toyota Sienna was a nice ride. My wife was then looking at the Kia Sedona, but I finally managed to talk her away from the minivan ledge and into a Kia Sorento (midsize SUV, 4 normal doors, no sliders), and she likes it.

Anyone have opinions or experience with 6th generation (2016-2024) Camaros? I’ve pretty much decided that’s my next car. Never had a V8 and I’ve adored Camaros since I was young. I think it nicely rounds out my 3 slot “garage” (my actual garage has two spots, one for me)

I drove the following in making this decision:

2018 Camaro 2SS convertible and coupe
2020 WRX STI
2018 Civic Type R
2013 Challenger SRT-8
2019 Mustang Bullitt
2023 Elantra N
2020 Veloster N
2016 BMW M235i

All manual gearboxes.

Whatever I end up buying will join my 2001 Miata and 2015 BMW 428 GC. I think across those three, plus my wife’s rather comfy 2019 Santa Fe, we have the affordable automotive experience pretty well captured.

Except I guess an EV. I plan to look into the Rivian R3 as a replacement for the BMW once it’s available.