Car lovers?

Fedaykin98 wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

It isn't really 'free' from other manufacturers since it is/was pretty common from a lot of manufacturers to have to pay something like $300 on a new car to have CarPlay enabled, or have it bundled with upgraded navigation or something.

Are you sure? That article says just the opposite. It also acknowledges that there is some cost to the manufacturer to install the software and test it with their hardware, to be fair - but they do that all day long with tons of features.

I don't know every make and model out there, just saying from my experience buying three new cars in the past two years. For example on the Honda Civic you can't get CarPlay on the LX, only on the Sport and above. On the Macan it is a $350 option. BMW has always charged and I think Mercedes did/does as well. I just remember when shopping it was not unusual to see a line-item charge for it or it included in an options package.

It could be as CarPlay/Android have gained more mindshare that manufacturers have moved to bundle it in as they are releasing updated models lately.

Blind_Evil wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

The GLAs are small inside, I think you would regret the minimal backseat space.

I need to sit in one. Some reviews say it has legroom, some say it doesn’t. I remember as a kid I didn’t mind climbing in the back of a small two door car because I thought it was super cool to be in a convertible, maybe she’ll feel that way XD

It's your family so you do you. She might feel that way when she is 5-8, but as a toddler she won't even know what cool is. I think it was Car and Driver that publishes standardized measurements for back seat space in their in-depth reviews, that was pretty helpful when we were shopping last year. You might just need to get something bigger for 3-4 years and then go back to a cool fast car that you like once she is climbing in and out and buckling herself. Kids, what are you going to do.

I don't think anybody could ever convince me to buy a used enthusiast car. They have the potential to be the most well-maintained as far as service goes, but also have the potential to have been driven extremely hard regularly.

Nah. No thanks.

Also, this is why I'm driving a Miata and not the 4C Spider I really want...

LeapingGnome wrote:

It isn't really 'free' from other manufacturers since it is/was pretty common from a lot of manufacturers to have to pay something like $300 on a new car to have CarPlay enabled, or have it bundled with upgraded navigation or something.

Most normal car companies have both out of the box for free. Heck, a $13K Chevy Spark has it standard. So does a $17K Kia Soul. Audi A3's have it as standard with no additional fee up in the BMW realm. See also Volvo.

So it's not "common" today to me.

r013nt0 wrote:

I don't think anybody could ever convince me to buy a used enthusiast car. They have the potential to be the most well-maintained as far as service goes, but also have the potential to have been driven extremely hard regularly.

Nah. No thanks.

Also, this is why I'm driving a Miata and not the 4C Spider I really want...

If it's a quality car with a good history, most of the weak points on a particular model are known and can be checked on. I've had lots of used performance cars.

Also, pre-purchase inspection. Worth paying for.

Helps to have some basic wrenching skills yourself so that you understand the basics and might be able to tackle some stuff. Even if you don't use the skills on a car, it gives you confidence.

Yeah, I'm sure plenty of people have had positive experiences. Or at least "as expected" experiences.

Also, I suppose that when you get into higher-end used enthusiast cars it's probably safer than buying some kid's used rexxy or Civic Si.

r013nt0 wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure plenty of people have had positive experiences. Or at least "as expected" experiences.

Also, I suppose that when you get into higher-end used enthusiast cars it's probably safer than buying some kid's used rexxy or Civic Si.

Yeah, probably true. But I probably would never own something from a brand known to be as flaky as Alfa anyway.

...but if I buy an Alfa, sempai Kimi might notice me.

But yeah, that's why I don't own one, basically. Wouldn't trust it as my daily, don't want a 3rd car payment.

Balthezor wrote:

My wife currently drives a 2017 BMW X1. I thought it would be plenty of room for the future baby back then. Had our first child 4 days ago. Wow, the back seat is super tight with the child seat. I can't drive comfortably with the the child seat behind the drivers. Very tight. Thinking of maybe getting rid of this and getting one of those new Honda Passport or a BMW X3 or X5. The X3 doesn't look that much bigger than the X1. Anyways, my wife could care less what kind of car she drives, so maybe I'll stick with a non-luxury brand. Anyone have experience with the Honda Passport or BMW X3 or X5?

Baby fits great in my Range Rover Sport.

On the Apple Carplay thing with BMW with wireless, I feel like it is sluggish with wireless and loses connection. It's quick with my Range Rover Sport while plug in.

In my wife’s X3, the car seat has to go behind the passenger. It makes the passenger a little uncomfortable. But, they make smaller car seats than the one we have, so we’ll probably be swapping it soon.

MannishBoy wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

Wait, you have to pay a subscription fee for Apple Carplay? What the hell?

Only at BMW. Everybody else, it's free.

Mine has no annual fee but I'm 100% sure we paid the $300 fee or whatever to have that feature included. Not sure if this has changed since 2017.

LeapingGnome wrote:
Balthezor wrote:

My wife currently drives a 2017 BMW X1. I thought it would be plenty of room for the future baby back then. Had our first child 4 days ago. Wow, the back seat is super tight with the child seat. I can't drive comfortably with the the child seat behind the drivers. Very tight. Thinking of maybe getting rid of this and getting one of those new Honda Passport or a BMW X3 or X5. The X3 doesn't look that much bigger than the X1. Anyways, my wife could care less what kind of car she drives, so maybe I'll stick with a non-luxury brand. Anyone have experience with the Honda Passport or BMW X3 or X5?

Yep, that is what we found with our X1 too and traded it in. We ended up with a Lexus RX after cross shopping almost everything. This was last year, and the X3 was not much bigger than the X1 in the backseat. My wife did not like driving the X5, she said it was obviously made to be a man's car. The Honda Pilot was too big, and the Passport wasn't out yet, and she did not like the CRV. We also looked at the usual other stuff (MDX too big, RDX not great, Mercedes too small, Macan too small and expensive, Audi too despicable, Jaguar too small, Infiniti too unsafe, BMW GT but we we wanted an SUV). One that we didn't look at but should have is Volvo.

I would take a serious look at the Passport, Honda is killing it lately with a lot of their cars and it is loaded for less than $40k. If you want to stick with an SUV and a luxury brand, the best combination of value and space is the RX and your wife will probably like it. The 2020s were just updated and have CarPlay too.

Also, just wondering why did you put the baby seat behind the driver's seat instead of the passenger's? We always kept ours on the passenger side so we can reach back there if needed.

Awesome awesome info. Yeah, I think we are done with BMW. The X1 was intermediate model, but feels basic compared to what non-luxury cars have, which does irk me. No back up sensors, which is super helpful in tight parking lots, especially for my wife. No side mirror blind spot indicator, which my RRS has, which has become such an awesome feature. I mentioned the Lexus RX to her today and she said, isn't that what old people drive hahaha. In her defense, she doesn't really know cars. Good call on the Volvo, will probably look at the XC60. She mentioned wanting a Tesla. I did preorder a Model Y for her, but who knows how big that back seat will be.

I tried to put it on the driver's side to make it easy for my wife? I have no idea, I am new at this. lol. But doesn't work.

What’s the big benefit of Android Auto and the Apple version?

I’m becoming a crotchety old man about this type of thing. One thing that attracted me to my car is it doesn’t have a big screen or any touch stuff. It looks like buying anything more modern I can’t avoid it.

Blind_Evil wrote:

What’s the big benefit of Android Auto and the Apple version?

I’m becoming a crotchety old man about this type of thing. One thing that attracted me to my car is it doesn’t have a big screen or any touch stuff. It looks like buying anything more modern I can’t avoid it.

First, just because the car has those options doesn't mean you have to use them. If you want to connect your phone solely by bluetooth, or never even connect it and use the radio (gasp!), you will just go happily along doing what you've always done.

If you do use Android Auto or Apple Car Play, it moves interactions with phone things to your main car screen. Want to not use the crappy nav that every car manufacturer overprices? Good, because you can use whatever you use on your phone (Google Maps, Waze, Apple Maps...). Have a audio app you like like Spotify, Pocket Casts, Audible, etc? It's likely to work on your main screen, letting you control playback without fumbling with your phone. Want to have your messages read to you and be able to respond by voice while driving, again saving you from looking at the phone? They got you. Want to do searches and start navigation by talking to your phone assistant? Another good use. Phone call? Just say who your calling, and it works way better than what's built into your car's phone.

They just help you do stuff your car is generally bad at but your phone is OK at much easier and safer.

All of that. It's safer and waaaay better. I plug my phone in and set it aside, using just my voice and my car's controls for everything. Having your phone, which is incredibly personalized, be the conputer behind your car's nav display and stereo is magical.

Gotcha, thanks for explaining. Sounds convenient but I don’t think a car lacking it would be a deal breaker for me.

Blind_Evil wrote:

Gotcha, thanks for explaining. Sounds convenient but I don’t think a car lacking it would be a deal breaker for me.

It wasn't for me, but that was partially due to Android Auto running on the phone even if the car didn't have it built in.

Unfortunately for me, Google is deprecating that soon. We'll see how the Google Assistant drive mode does, but I'm not pleased.

Using navigation on Apple car play compared to built in one is super fast too. Plus Siri works really well with asking for directions.

Like others said. Just safer.

Also the updates. Going to the dealer for a damnable SD card for map updates once a year is a sucker's game.

I didn't buy my current car to get Android Auto, but I will absolutely demand it in my next one. The couple times it hasn't worked (because of an update, or possibly a failed handoff somewhere) have been panic-inducing. It's that good.

Since we are talking X3 and GLA any thoughts on the GLC (non-coupe)? I like the look and we are really getting cramped in the G37 sedan with 2 carseats. I'm 6'2 but my wife is under 5 feet so we need something we're both comfortable driving.

Another thing is that Siri can read your text messages back to you. I usually don't use this feature unless it from the wife. But very helpful. Also, can text for you as well.

Apple CarPlay users, what apps do you use besides music/map apps since I use Apple Music and Waze.

Balthezor wrote:

Another thing is that Siri can read your text messages back to you. I usually don't use this feature unless it from the wife. But very helpful. Also, can text for you as well.

Android Auto does, too. And it can answer random road thought questions using Google Assistant.

"OK Google, how many days until Christmas?"
"OK Google, what's the weather this weekend?"
"OK Google, what time does Walgreens pharmacy close?"

The one thing that bugs me about Android Auto is that it doesn't maintain John Legend's sultry voice in the car, only on the phone.

Besides the built in apps the only two I use on CarPlay are Overcast and Waze.

I use Waze, Pocket Casts, and Spotify.

My pop finally dropped some news on the family after somehow holding it in for a few weeks: He ordered a C8 Vette. Sebring Orange Z51. (I don't think he's actually sent in his specs yet, but that's what he's getting.)

This turn of events has cast into doubt all the think pieces I've read about Chevrolet tossing out the boomers.

Jealous. ~$60k for a mid engine car is such a crazy deal. I really wonder how they are justifying this entire project.

r013nt0 wrote:

Jealous. ~$60k for a mid engine car is such a crazy deal. I really wonder how they are justifying this entire project.

Taxpayer bailout? Lmao

r013nt0 wrote:

Jealous. ~$60k for a mid engine car is such a crazy deal. I really wonder how they are justifying this entire project.

There will be few sold that are $60K. They're going for the European model with a bunch of customization options.

The Z51 upgrade alone is $5000, and if you to the the 2LT package the car moves from $60K to $67,295.

Pricing Guide, but it doesn't include all the custom options like wheels, steering wheels, brake caliper colors, etc.

I like the new Corvette, I just wish it wasn't the Corvette. To me a Corvette is a front engine, long nosed, short bottom, RWD muscle car. Not a mid engine super car. Call it the Super Vetter or something. I dunno. I'll miss the front engine Vette.