Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War 2

AnimeJ wrote:

All in all, I'm very, very iffy on it. I wish there was a single player skirmish mode to get a better feel for the armys, but so far, after just Marines, I'm rather disappointed. It's good looking, but it just doesn't feel right.

You can play single player skirmishes. Just host a game, throw in a computer, and launch it.

SuperHiro wrote:

I've got a pretty low end rig.

2.8 dual core (NOT core duo)
3 gigs RAM
7600gt

I'm not going to get stuck in the 800x600-low-details-ghetto am I? Anyone with similar systems run this okay?

I know I had to turn off antialiasing on my 9800 GTX card once the big explosions started. It's running for me at pretty much the same level of performance that Company of Heroes did, so if you've played that game on your rig I'd imagine that's a pretty fair indicator of how you'll do with this.

AnimeJ wrote:

Given that earlier in the thread there was a bit about preorder bonuses from Gamestop, I don't believe it for a minute. Kotaku absolutely sucks at facts checking, and until they fix that, I'm staunchly ignoring everything that comes out of that cesspit. /rant

I see the mention of Amazon and Fry's having preorder bonuses, but not GameStop/EB.

I tried a couple skirmishes last night and am not really sure what to think about it yet. I can say that people who are saying that its a spiritual successor to Company of Heroes are wrong.

A large part of COH involved using key buildings as defensive holds and building-units to aid your defense of captured points. DOW II maps are pretty barren in terms of usable structures and there are only a couple of units that can build turrets. I also don't feel as comfortable at splitting my squads up to hold multiple points as it seems the squad that keeps the commander is the squad that wins. In COH a couple well positioned squads could hold a point on their own for quite a while.

Now that I have got that out of the way, I'm gonna say that it looks like the type of game that could grow on me. The fighting starts fast and the 3v3 matches that i played only took about 20 minutes each. All the unit upgrades are a little confusing to me now but I can see lots of potential in the combination of options that are offered. Its certainly not going to replace COH but could compliment it nicely.

I was thinking about picking it up day one because I'm a whore for loot drops (yay wargear) but after playing a few skirmishes I feel like it's just not for me. It feels like playing Commander in a game of Battlefield, except you only have 3-4 players on your team. It's impossible to defend more than one point, which means if you're defending a point you're not attacking, unless you send some piddly useless unit off to capture and hope no one's near enough to respond.

It's a real shame because I like a lot of the new changes. I like the wargear, I like the Tyranids, I love the new engine, I like the "commander unit" idea. If they'd made this an expansion to Dawn of War 1, I'd be all over it. But they didn't, and it's not the game I wanted it to be.

It's not real-time strategy, it's real-time tactics. Just not my style, I guess. I'd still be interested in playing some skirmishes with my fellow goodjers during the beta because I like watching my carnifax smoosh things.

I watched the Dev Multiplayer Battle not long ago and I've got to say as someone who has avoided multiplayer against humans in every RTS I've ever played, I think I might give it shot in this game. I'll no doubt mainly be getting the game for the single player, but something about a lack of base building and low unit count has me intrigued.

Tycho[/url]]My own reaction to Final Fantasy XII's notorious heresies - acts of villainy that dramatically expanded its audience - show me to be perfectly capable of hard-line conservatism when the virtues I prize are under assault. So, take it as an apology then, noble Dawn of War community. They changed the game to appeal to people like me, and it worked

I too have been on the other side of this fence so I can't help but feel bad, my sentiments, 'impure' RTS tastes and general waning interest in the RTS genre have contributed to the direction this game has taken, if you hate it; I'm sorry, if you love it; you're welcome.

I don't think of it as "impure" or more "mainstream" or whatever. It's just different and I don't like it. If anything I think it's harder now since you always need to be on the move.

well, I finally got it to run, after , you know, adding some registry keys.

And it ran like hell. So, I guess I'll stick with SoulStorm for a while, since it runs like butter and full detail.

Maybe I'll pick up the inevitable DoW2 Platinum edition when I get a new computer a few years down the line.

That reminds me, what happened to the Army painter? I thought DoWII was supposed to be more like the tabletop, and isn't that a big part of that hobby? Did they want to sell more pre-order bonuses? Tired of everyone being pure black?

LobsterMobster wrote:

That reminds me, what happened to the Army painter? I thought DoWII was supposed to be more like the tabletop, and isn't that a big part of that hobby? Did they want to sell more pre-order bonuses? Tired of everyone being pure black? :P

I thought I say an army painter button on the main menu. It is just greyed out for the beta.

Yeah, the Army Painter was one of the first things I tried, the button is inactive in the Beta. Though all the chapters/clans whatever seem faithfully represented, I don't mess with the painter too much. Would be cool for 'nid color schemes though.

AnimeJ wrote:
Switchbreak wrote:

Well, this is interesting. Kotaku has a rumor that GameStop is refusing to carry Dawn of War II because of the Steam integration. Now, Kotaku isn't into things like fact checking, and games that require Steam (like Lost Planet) have sold at GameStop before, but this wouldn't surprise me if it were true. GameStop has been playing harder against digital distribution recently, and after hearing that story about how they demanded a cut of all of the Penny-Arcade game's profits from download sales if they were going to shelve it, I'd believe just about anything about those bandits.

Given that earlier in the thread there was a bit about preorder bonuses from Gamestop, I don't believe it for a minute. Kotaku absolutely sucks at facts checking, and until they fix that, I'm staunchly ignoring everything that comes out of that cesspit. /rant

Anyway, I haven't given up on this game completely, but would love some goodjer matches. Anyway we can set this up?

I stopped by my local Gamestop and they said they have been told to stopped taking pre-orders for the game. And the Gamestop website no longer lists DoW II.

Edit: The manager called another Gamestop who's just opening for the day and they haven't heard anything about DoW II specifically but did notice it was no longer on their website.

I'm sure that Gamestop's refusal to carry the game will hurt Steam's sales badly enough Valve will be forced to take it down.

/waitwhat?

Gamestop has a pre-order bonus. Steam doesn't. Why doesn't Gamestop cry a river about Wal*Mart and Best Buy carrying it, too?

LobsterMobster wrote:

I'm sure that Gamestop's refusal to carry the game will hurt Steam's sales badly enough Valve will be forced to take it down.

/waitwhat?

It's not aimed to hurt Steam. They hope to bluff THQ into thinking that DOW sales will be hurt enough and give them extra-super-special-treatment pre-order bonus extravaganza of their next big release. I think we all realize that Gamestop is clinging to a business model that opposes where the market is heading. It reminds me of the RIAA, big retail music chains (e.g. Walmart), and iTunes.

Edited: for clarity

I think its probably more the bonus of the early beta than the bonus loot. I'm sure they had more then a few people come in and cancel pre-orders b/c people were just going to get it on steam and play it right now.

LobsterMobster wrote:

Gamestop has a pre-order bonus. Steam doesn't. Why doesn't Gamestop cry a river about Wal*Mart and Best Buy carrying it, too?

Walmart and BB also don't threaten Gamestop's business model like Steam does.

THQ should just take the bonus stuff from GameStop and give it to Steam.

Edwin wrote:

THQ should just take the bonus stuff from GameStop and give it to Steam.

That'd be great but I don't think they legally can. Would be nice for them to add a pre-order bonus to Steam.

If GameStop did breach on contract first, assuming they had a contract of some sort, they should be in the clear, no?

It's a real shame because I like a lot of the new changes. I like the wargear, I like the Tyranids, I love the new engine, I like the "commander unit" idea. If they'd made this an expansion to Dawn of War 1, I'd be all over it. But they didn't, and it's not the game I wanted it to be.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. There are many individual things I like a lot, but the game as a whole doesn't suit me. Shame, as the original is my all-time favorite RTS.

I'm having fun with Soulstorm, though. Well-spent $7.50.

Just played a wicked 3v3 game with some co-workers. This game is everything I wanted out of it, Company of Heroes in the Warhammer 40K IP! The game was non-stop action; squads manuevering around each other trying to get into the best positions. And nothing beats being overwhelmed by the opponent, only to have your Walker walk into the fray and slaughter everything, or sending your Farseer to bring down an Eldritch storm.

I LOVE THIS GAME!!

Just spoke to the Gamestop store manager and he confirmed that all stores were told to stop taking pre-orders 5 days ago. He still believes they will be carrying it, as there wasn't any indication that they wouldn't, but he did say it was strange that they would halt pre-orders so far in advance. They usually halt pre-orders the week of the release.

With more people probably picking this up tuesday is there any interest in getting some gwj vs gwj action going on? Say Wednesday night?

I actually really like the game too, Tkyl. I hope that there will be different game modes in the full release that do address alot of the concerns that people have been raising here. Increased resources, many different maps , game types and balancing issues will likely be changed/tweaked.

I guess we just have to wait a month and see what turns out, but I am really optimistic about this one

HantaXP wrote:

I actually really like the game too, Tkyl. I hope that there will be different game modes in the full release that do address alot of the concerns that people have been raising here. Increased resources, many different maps , game types and balancing issues will likely be changed/tweaked.

I guess we just have to wait a month and see what turns out, but I am really optimistic about this one

Another thing I really like about the game. I have yet to play a 3v3 game that lasts longer than 30 minutes and isn't filled with visceral combat and explosions!

I'm in, wednesday night is good for me.

What was that? Every day of the week? Sounds good to me

Switchbreak wrote:

Well, this is interesting. Kotaku has a rumor that GameStop is refusing to carry Dawn of War II because of the Steam integration. Now, Kotaku isn't into things like fact checking, and games that require Steam (like Lost Planet) have sold at GameStop before, but this wouldn't surprise me if it were true. GameStop has been playing harder against digital distribution recently, and after hearing that story about how they demanded a cut of all of the Penny-Arcade game's profits from download sales if they were going to shelve it, I'd believe just about anything about those bandits.

Gamestop should just change their name to "ConsolesRUs" and stop pretending they give a sh*t about PC games. If it wasn't for WoW they'd probably have stopped selling PC games 3 years ago.

HantaXP wrote:

I actually really like the game too, Tkyl. I hope that there will be different game modes in the full release that do address alot of the concerns that people have been raising here. Increased resources, many different maps , game types and balancing issues will likely be changed/tweaked.

I guess we just have to wait a month and see what turns out, but I am really optimistic about this one

I read somewhere (blues news probably) that there's a day-one patch ready to go on the day of release to address some of the early concerns, whether or not that's incorporated into the current beta I dunno though.

stevenmack wrote:
HantaXP wrote:

I actually really like the game too, Tkyl. I hope that there will be different game modes in the full release that do address alot of the concerns that people have been raising here. Increased resources, many different maps , game types and balancing issues will likely be changed/tweaked.

I guess we just have to wait a month and see what turns out, but I am really optimistic about this one

I read somewhere (blues news probably) that there's a day-one patch ready to go on the day of release to address some of the early concerns, whether or not that's incorporated into the current beta I dunno though.

It's a few pages back, but here is the info on the day zero patch

Got my March PC Gamer, they gave it an 86.