Windows Vista Catch-All

Badferret wrote:

Can someone translate this for me? Is he saying I could get the 64bit upgrade from Microsoft with this?

It means you can use the key with a 64-bit version of the install disc, which you can get from MS for the price of shipping (I think it's 10$). They need your product key though so you can't go activating 2 versions of the OS (32 and 64 bit).
Go here.

shihonage wrote:

I learned to stay away from D-Link routers.

The newer D-Link black routers are some of the most reliable out there if you need something cheap. At least in my experience the last couple of years.

The most reliable routers are the ones on which I can install either Tomato or DD-WRT firmware. That's just how it is.

Routers' own factory firmware always falls apart in some way, usually due to P2P congestion and also heavy UDP traffic in online games.

The interesting thing is that the 32-bit version of Vista has no problem with the D-Link WBR-2310.

shihonage wrote:

The most reliable routers are the ones on which I can install either Tomato or DD-WRT firmware. That's just how it is.

Routers' own factory firmware always falls apart in some way, usually due to P2P congestion and also heavy UDP traffic in online games.

I don't disagree. I personally run a WRT54GL with Tomato/MLPPP. I'm saying for your average user who never goes into the firmware, the newer D-Link models do the best job in my experience, that's all.

Do we make a new Windows 7 thread or just keep this one going? The beta is available for Technet/MSDN subscribers today. The public gets it tomorrow.

Probably a new thread would be better.

So I bought Vista Home Premium 64 bit OEM from New Egg and after cutting the "agreement red tape" on the cardboard DVD sleeve (which says 64 bit) I pull the case out. Inside is a Home Premium DVD with a big disclaimer = "THIS DISC CONTAINS ONLY 32 BIT SOFTWARE"

I'm assuming I'm fooked.

You should definitely tell Newegg about it: maybe they can help you. If not, I think Microsoft will send you a 64-bit disk, but it's bullsh*t that you ordered 64-bit and got 32.

I picked up a copy of Vista 64 Ultimate OEM from NewEgg. It arrived 2 weeks ago and I've been running on Vista ever since. I gotta say, so far I love it. Sure there are annoyances, but it actually seems much faster than XP on my system. The boot time is amazing.

One question I do have: I want to leave UAC on, as I think it's a good thing to have, even for a so-called expert like me. That said, UAC (At least I think it's UAC) is preventing me from dragging & dropping within my start menu. Also, when I right-click in the start menu and select "New ->", the only option it gives me is "Folder", which I believe is also due to UAC. Is it possible to turn off UAC for just the start menu?

Malor wrote:

You should definitely tell Newegg about it: maybe they can help you. If not, I think Microsoft will send you a 64-bit disk, but it's bullsh*t that you ordered 64-bit and got 32.

Spoke with NewEgg and after a bit of back and forth they agreed to RMA it. Huzzah for good customer service! I'll reorder the 64 bit and try again.

Can anyone tell me where I would adjust the options for things like "Wake on Peripheral"? I'm running Vista 64 on my new laptop and that is as annoying as all get-out. I jostle the table it's on even a bit, the mouse moves, the computer comes out of sleep into awake even though it's still closed.

Thanks!

And congrats, Rich, glad they're doing the right thing.

Serengeti wrote:

I picked up a copy of Vista 64 Ultimate OEM from NewEgg. It arrived 2 weeks ago and I've been running on Vista ever since. I gotta say, so far I love it. Sure there are annoyances, but it actually seems much faster than XP on my system. The boot time is amazing.

My XP system doesn't have to reboot for weeks at a time, so its kind of strange to hear boot-time comparisons for NT-based OSes in general.

I understood them when we were all running Windows 9x/ME, which bluescreened every 2 hours, but those times are thankfully long gone.

I have a Vista issue and wonder if you guys can help...

I am running the home premium 64-bit version and every time I change the default audio devices, the changes become global, not just for my account. My wife uses the monitor speakers (HDMI out) and I use an external amp (COAX out), so we are constantly changing the default audio device to our liking. In XP the change would only apply to the user that made the change. Vista always make the change global.

I haven't been able to figure it out. How do you set the default audio devices to be different for each user?

I've been thinking of going Vista for DirectX 10, been using Windows XP.

Does anybody see a real difference between DX9 and Dx10? Is it worth the upgrade?

Should I just wait for Windows 7?

heavyfeul wrote:

How do you set the default audio devices to be different for each user?

I forget the specific reasoning, but it has to do with Vista having a much different architecture when it comes to how it uses drivers and how it controls audio. As far as I know, there's no real solution for you problem. Maybe someone else can prove me wrong. However, this program might help make the hassle a little easier to swallow.

interstate78 wrote:

Does anybody see a real difference between DX9 and Dx10? Is it worth the upgrade?

If DX10 is your only desire to upgrade, you will probably be fine waiting for Windows 7 and DX11 to come around. Since most games are primarily made for the consoles which both only can run DX9, not very many games use the technology, and most that do only have somewhat subtle changes that range from barely noticeable to impressive but not necessary. Because they get tacked on like this, they also tend to be more of a performance hit then they deserve for such slight differences.

Far Cry 2 is a recent exception, being built with DX10 in mind from the ground up, so even though the visual differences are still pretty subtle, it actually runs better then the DX9 version. But by the time this kind of thing is the norm, I'm sure Windows 7 will be out.

AT this point wait for Windows 7.

kuddles wrote:

Far Cry 2 is a recent exception, being built with DX10 in mind from the ground up, so even though the visual differences are still pretty subtle, it actually runs better then the DX9 version. But by the time this kind of thing is the norm, I'm sure Windows 7 will be out.

That just made me laugh a bit. For people in the know that was actually supposed to be the main benefit of DX10, the system is supposedly far more streamlined and efficient than DX9, so a well designed DX10 system will perform better for the same output and effects would have less of a knock on frame rate.

Unfortunately the whole porting aspect really wrecked that and made DX10 mostly stillborn.

And I agree with the others. Wait for 7.

Yeah, graphics and gaming aren't pushing the limits of PCs anymore (whether this is because of games now being primarily designed for consoles and then ported to PC, that's for another topic) so I'd just wait for Win7 which will be out before the school sale season and then you'll have a smidgen better hardware too.

Gaming, at this point, is still best on XP, and that's not likely to change immediately upon the advent of 7.

I imagine it will be at least another year after it ships before XP isn't the superior choice, and maybe two. Making games takes a long time, and Vista has had very low uptake, so DX10 is not popular among most developers. Even if 7 is a wild success, it'll take a good year before you see anything, assuming that devs believe the PR blitz on 7 that's all over the Net now.

Plus, PC gaming is very much an afterthought for most gaming houses, and it's the first thing to get slashed in budget cuts. There's plenty of budget cuts these days. So you'll probably see very few PC-specific games, just ports.

I'm actually suspicious that there may not be a gaming reason to upgrade from XP until the first true 64-bit games ship, and that's a long,long ways off. 32-bit is nowhere near tapped out yet. (Unreal Tournament has, I think, a 64-bit version, and it's faster than 32-bit, but it's not like it doesn't work in 32-bit mode.)

From a day-to-day use perspective there will be reasons to upgrade, but looked at purely through the lens of gaming: XP is it, and will be for much longer than most technology enthusiasts would prefer.

For strictly gaming purposes I'm sure you're right. Bit Vista incorporates a lot of little usability features that I miss when switching to my XP machine, and that I'm sure most users would like. 7 should have these and more, while being less of a performance knock than Vista.

I predicted that Service Pack 3 for XP would allow us to last until Windows 7 comes out (supposedly in August ?).

Indeed. Plus there are "less official" distributions of XP floating out there (which I guess you can still legally install if you have a legit bought key), which have all cumulative updates up to February, and many optimizations/tweaks/SATA/wireless drivers built-in to keep the OS completely up-to-date.

"What Vista should've been" OS is just around the corner

Unless you are going to purchase Windows 7 one day one, I see no reason not to upgrade to Vista as a dual boot . . . if you already have a DX10 capable video card. Especially if Microsoft is going to offer that free upgrade for Vista users to Windows 7. (I'll believe it when I see it. Microsoft and free don't usually go together. See: XBox 360.)

I switched to Vista simply to utilize my processor (64-bit) and enable the use of more ram.

However, if your primary purpose in using a pc is for gaming, there really isn't too much incentive to upgrading outside of the extra effects that devs stick in for dx10 mode as people have already said.

The only people that will get 'free' upgrades to Win7 will be those that buy a PC when that promotion starts (I'm hearing July). There will be no blanket free upgrade to Win7 from Vista, it's not like everyone who bought WinME got a free upgrade to WinXP, or WinXP to Vista.

Eezy_Bordone wrote:

The only people that will get 'free' upgrades to Win7 will be those that buy a PC when that promotion starts (I'm hearing July). There will be no blanket free upgrade to Win7 from Vista, it's not like everyone who bought WinME got a free upgrade to WinXP, or WinXP to Vista.

Ahhhh, dammit. I was really hoping I would be given a free copy of W7, but now that I think about it, which I obviously didn't before, they've never done that. Ever. This is just an incentive to get people to buy PCs in the meantime . . . or not buy Apple.

shihonage wrote:

I predicted that Service Pack 3 for XP would allow us to last until Windows 7 comes out (supposedly in August ?).

Indeed. Plus there are "less official" distributions of XP floating out there (which I guess you can still legally install if you have a legit bought key),

I installed the Service Pack 3 on my system and it made my OS very unstable and I'd experience crashes.

I uninstalled it, reinstalled my video and sound drivers and am postponing this update indefinitely

interstate78 wrote:

I installed the Service Pack 3 on my system and it made my OS very unstable and I'd experience crashes.

I uninstalled it, reinstalled my video and sound drivers and am postponing this update indefinitely

Sorry to hear that; if you ever feel like giving it another shot, you may want to try a genuine MS XP installation disc with SP3 already built-in, and select "Upgrade".

shihonage wrote:

"What Vista should've been" OS is just around the corner :P

At which point we can officially be done with "What W2K should have been".

I'll tell you guys about an interesting troubleshooting situation I had the other day.

I was prepping my spare computer to sell (after running Darik's Boot & Nuke of course) and I wanted to install Vista Ultimate x64 back onto it and fully patch it. Every time I attempted to install, it would lock up at the point just after the "Install Now" button where I believe you confirm your product number and then look at your partitions. It did this consistently. I ran diagnotic tools on the memory, HD, etc. and everything was normal. I tried other operating systems in case it was Vista or the DVD itself that was the problem. I was able to install XP, Windows 7 and Ubuntu 9.04 without issue. I even tried another copy of Vista and got the same problem.

After thinking about what I might of changed since the last time I installed Vista on this machine, I realized I originally had 3 hard drives in the machine. checking inside, I noticed that the hard drive that was left was setup on SATA 5 and the DVD drive was on SATA 3. After putting the HD on SATA 1 and the DVD drive on SATA 2, Vista installed just fine.

Go figure. I find it funny that all other operating system options had no trouble with this configuration and Vista would completely freeze up during installation every time.

That's odd. I have my system setup with SATA devices all over the different ports and Vista installed and continues to run it no problem. The only thing I can think of is that the disk controller driver Vista uses for that particular chip is a little finicky about the port configuration or that mainboard doesn't implement that chipset 100% correctly. If the system is capable of running the disk controller in AHCI mode (this option will be in the BIOS if it is), I would recommend enabling it before installing Vista as it can result in better disk performance.