The $1500 PC Thread

Thin_J wrote:

Yowsa.

You said it.

Wow...seems like Intel is doing a HUGE market share grab on AMD while it has the Tech Edge...and with AMD's bank accounts low after the ATI purchase at that.....this could REALLY hurt AMD in the long run.

I'm not sure the Quads will be that great. I think they're gonna be choking badly on the lack of memory bandwidth, unless there's some major system redesign between now and then. AMD may retake the performance crown in the 4-8 CPU range.

I was building the computer guru posted and the CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory is out of stock.

wow.. the new low end 4mb Core Duo 2's are now easily the CPU's to get.. NICE!

Are you referring to the 4300 that Legion mentioned earlier?

Edwin wrote:

Are you referring to the 4300 that Legion mentioned earlier?

no.. per your post

Core 2 Duo E6320 and E6420, now with 4MB of L2 cache

Both appear to be sub $200 processors..

The 4mb L2 cache makes a nice difference over the 2mb L2 cache on the older low end Core 2's

He's talking the new 6*20 with the increased cache (nm, he is watching). I just ordered the e6600 at $235.

NewEgg doesn't have either.

How's this look?

Case
Soundcard
PSU
Mobo
Processor
Videocard
Ram

Total = $1158.06

I already have hard drives, dvd burner, monitor, keyboard, mouse and OS (MSDNAA) so that shaved off the price.

While building this NewEgg sold out on the video card, processor, and RAM. Zip Zoom Fly doesn't carry LianLi cases and the soundcard while the PSU is sold out and the mobo is more expensive. I could wait and get them cheaper off NewEgg too.

Thoughts?

edit: Need recommendations on case fans (120mm and 80mm) as well as HSF for the processor. I'm assuming arctic silver 5 is still the stuff to use for the HSF? Hopefully I have enough cables laying around where I don't need to get any more rounded IDE and SATA cables.

edit2: I'm not too set on the case either. Anyone want to pimp the one they like?

Case

It comes with one of Antec's PSU's, but I've heard of folks having issues with it going out on them. I have a series 1 model Sonata, and haven't had any issues with it though. All in all, I find it to be a pretty attractive case.

AnimeJ wrote:

Case

It comes with one of Antec's PSU's, but I've heard of folks having issues with it going out on them. I have a series 1 model Sonata, and haven't had any issues with it though. All in all, I find it to be a pretty attractive case.

I've got the Sonata I as the chassis for my existing PC (to be replaced in a few days). It's been a good case for me. I like the design and it helps keep the hard drives quiet. The only thing that pissed me off was that the little silver door that covers the USB/Audio ports broke within the first year. At that point those ports became a dust magnet. I wonder if they strengthened that part on the Sonata II (or if I just had bad luck).
---Todd

FYI - the PC components I ordered over the weekend:

- Intel Core 2 Duo E6600: $235
- Asus P5N32-E SLI Plus: $187
- Corsair XMS 2GB (2x1GB) 6400C4: $180 (+$50 rebate)
- EVGA GeForce 8800GTS 640MB: $390 (+$40 rebate)
- 500GB Seagate SATA Drive: $140
- DVD-ROM (Asus) and DVD+/-RW (Lite-On): $60
- SilverStone SST-ST60F 600W Power Supply - $130
- Antec P182 (non-SE) Case - $160

All told it'll be about $1400 once the rebates go through. I'm geeking out all over for this, since it'll be my first new PC build in about 4 years (been building my own systems since the 486 days). I think this is the first where I didn't have to do it completely on a shoestring budget.

Btw - thanks for all the input GameGuru. Your advice to me and others on the forum has been tremendously helpful!
---Todd

AnimeJ wrote:

Case

It comes with one of Antec's PSU's, but I've heard of folks having issues with it going out on them. I have a series 1 model Sonata, and haven't had any issues with it though. All in all, I find it to be a pretty attractive case.

I've personally had one of those power supplies die on me.

Slick wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:

Case

It comes with one of Antec's PSU's, but I've heard of folks having issues with it going out on them. I have a series 1 model Sonata, and haven't had any issues with it though. All in all, I find it to be a pretty attractive case.

I've personally had one of those power supplies die on me.

I remember seeing a comment on here from someone who had an issue with the TruePower 430 they pack into the case. I've got a series 1 Sonata, have had it for a year with the original PSU, and no issues whatsoever. But, here's my thought on it; The case is $100, and if the PSU is getting replaced eventually, then it's still a really nice case for $100, and you've got a spare PSU lying around just in case.

What would be really helpful is a list of what cards match with what processors as far as games being CPU limited.

Like, for instance, I have a Pentium D 920 Pressler (bigger cache, 65nm), 2gb ddr2 and a x800xt. And as an example again, I could go to a x1700 but anything higher (x1800,x1900,x1950) would not perform any better because my CPU cant feed it fast enough.

Is there any site with such a list? Or can any GWjer write a rough estimate list?

said $302 when I clicked.

I picked up an AeroCool 620 watt Zero dba at Compusa on sale for $79.99 today.

E6420 now in stock at newegg, $194!

Wow. my time has almost come. When this is in quad core, i will be complete.

AnimeJ wrote:

I remember seeing a comment on here from someone who had an issue with the TruePower 430 they pack into the case. I've got a series 1 Sonata, have had it for a year with the original PSU, and no issues whatsoever. But, here's my thought on it; The case is $100, and if the PSU is getting replaced eventually, then it's still a really nice case for $100, and you've got a spare PSU lying around just in case.

I have both a Sonata 1 and a Sonata 2. The 380W PSU they packed with my Sonata 1 still works after almost 4 years, the 450W they packed with the Sonata 2 died before a year was up. And the 500W Antec I bought to replace it died after 9 months.

I love the case and I highly recommend it, but I am becoming very wary of Antec PSUs.

Podunk wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:

I remember seeing a comment on here from someone who had an issue with the TruePower 430 they pack into the case. I've got a series 1 Sonata, have had it for a year with the original PSU, and no issues whatsoever. But, here's my thought on it; The case is $100, and if the PSU is getting replaced eventually, then it's still a really nice case for $100, and you've got a spare PSU lying around just in case.

I have both a Sonata 1 and a Sonata 2. The 380W PSU they packed with my Sonata 1 still works after almost 4 years, the 450W they packed with the Sonata 2 died before a year was up. And the 500W Antec I bought to replace it died after 9 months.

I love the case and I highly recommend it, but I am becoming very wary of Antec PSUs.

Seems to be the case now, which makes me kind of sad Ah well, $100 for the case is still a good buy, even if the PSU they put in them is crap.

I'm about 2 heartbeats from building a new system, and i was thinking about the 6420 combined with the EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 for overclocking. I'm going to start with one 8800 gts with 320 mb ram, maybe go to 2 for SLI eventually. Any thoughts?

jonnypolite wrote:

I'm about 2 heartbeats from building a new system, and i was thinking about the 6420 combined with the EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 for overclocking. I'm going to start with one 8800 gts with 320 mb ram, maybe go to 2 for SLI eventually. Any thoughts?

Sounds fine but after the hell with EVGA on the motherboard side I'm sticking with companies that do Motherboards (Asus mostly)

I've been using ASUS for years and years. One thing to be a little careful of; it looks like marketers are taking on new power at that company. I felt they were very deceptive in the specs for the P5B Deluxe. They claim, for instance, 'two x16 slots!', but you don't really get those. You get two PHYSICAL x16 slots, but electrically you get only 1 x16. The remaining two slots can be either x1 and x2, or disabled/x4. Those are the only choices. They also claimed 3 PCI slots, but there are only two, and one is right next to the video card and likely to get pretty toasty.

From the blurb on Newegg:

It's based on the Intel P965 chipset and supports all of Intel's Dual Core processors (Socket T). Courtesy its DDR2 800 dual channel memory system architecture (8 GB max capacity), dual PCI-E X16 graphic card slots, four expansion slots (1 x PCI-E X1 + 3 x PCI), and nine ATA connectors (8 x SATA + 1 x PATA), it is an ideal base for a high-end dual-GPU gaming rig.

This is all lies, lies, and more lies. There's really only 1 graphic card slot. If you use the second slot in x4 mode, you don't get the x1 slot at all. There are two PCI slots, only 1 of which I would actually use. You do get the SATA connectors, but then they lie about the dual-GPU gaming rig. You really wouldn't want to use this board for that. (x4 is probably okay for a GPU, but not ideal.)

Further, this Intel chipset is pretty stupid about handling memory at 4 gigs and higher. Instead of mapping the RAM into higher memory for intelligent OSes, they force all the RAM to the bottom of memory. This means you either lose 1 gig, or you have to move the PCI memory out of the lower 4 gigs, which causes all kinds of trouble with drivers. They should have had an option to EITHER move the PCI memory OR the main memory, depending on what OS you were running; by only allowing the movement of PCI, it's pretty screwy. I'm used to Intel chipsets being really good, and I was surprised and frustrated by this design decision.

The board is very solid, but the marketing is very bad. Tread carefully with ASUS right now.

edit: slight wording readjustment for clarity.

You get two PHYSICAL x16 slots, but electrically you get only 1 x16. The remaining two slots can be either x1 and x2, or disabled/x4. Those are the only choices. They also claimed 3 PCI slots, but there are only two, and one is right next to the video card and likely to get pretty toasty.

That is some odd marketing.. since in essence this is a limitation of the Intel 965 chipset..

I still think Asus though in terms of overall quality and BIOS support is the best motherboard for building your own PC.

Just to offer another option, you might look at the Asus P5N32-SLI Plus, which does support dual x16 PCI-E (I'm just running a single 8800). I got it (matched with an E6600 CPU) a couple weeks ago and I've been very pleased so far.

I did run into two issues with it, but both were easily resolved. One, it didn't seem to automatically set the RAM timings quite right and I couldn't complete a Windows installation. But I'd read about that scenario beforehand and it's pretty easy to manually set those timings in the BIOS. The other was a random lockup of the system. That one I had no idea on, but I did notice from using the board's monitoring tools that a voltage was set running high. Turned out there's a BIOS option called LinkBoost that evidently doesn't work quite right. Once I disabled that the voltage went down to its normal setting and I haven't had a lockup since. I'd definitely recommend looking at this board.
---Todd

The board is great, GG, but determining what the REAL specs are is fairly difficult. If you can get the straight skinny about what a given board will actually do, ASUS is an extremely good manufacturer.

Another one I like a lot is DFI. I've had a couple of AMD-based Lanparty boards; they have the dumbest name ever, but excellent design and good support. I'd be happy to use them again if they had a board I wanted.

Tyan is great, too, in the super-premium market.

Seems like a lot of these MoBo's don't have a lot of PCI slots. In most cases, the bigger graphics cards will cover up one of the PCI slots, barely leaving you room to install an audio card and perhaps a TV tuner card.

Can the crew here recommend me a case (with good vents) and non-SLI mobo for a new system I'd like to build? I'll be getting the new Quad Core, with a single graphics card, so no need for SLI. Onboard Firewire port is a must. I'd like to use that Silverstone PSU Gameguru recommended. The front of the case doesn't need a door or a lock.

Some of the Gigabyte mobos look good, but no onboard firewire is disappointing.

Draco wrote:

Seems like a lot of these MoBo's don't have a lot of PCI slots. In most cases, the bigger graphics cards will cover up one of the PCI slots, barely leaving you room to install an audio card and perhaps a TV tuner card.

Can the crew here recommend me a case (with good vents) and non-SLI mobo for a new system I'd like to build? I'll be getting the new Quad Core, with a single graphics card, so no need for SLI. Onboard Firewire port is a must. I'd like to use that Silverstone PSU Gameguru recommended. The front of the case doesn't need a door or a lock.

Some of the Gigabyte mobos look good, but no onboard firewire is disappointing.

Mobo - Reviewed fairly well on newegg, non-SLI, PCI-e, and it's got 3 PCI slots, with a PCI-e x16 and a PCI-e x1.

Case1

Case2

Apparently there's issues with the PSUs, but if you're planning on replacing it, I don't suppose that it's much of an issue.

Placed an order for parts of a new PC recently, but instead of getting a core 2 duo as a processor, I got this. Did I make a mistake?