"Spider-Man" Maguire bringing Robotech to the big screen

Rat Boy wrote:
momgamer wrote:

This is a rallying cry for the Please Please Pleese Get a Life Club. Of which I'm a card-carrying member! I have no real hopes this is going to turn out well no matter which set of materials they try to use.

You even breath the word "Robotech" among a crowd of like-minded folks and you'll be booed and hissed at best or given a lengthy lecture of how the Americans butchered Macross.

They did. Harmony Gold flenced that whale with a chainsaw. Don't even get me started....

But if anyone thinks they're going to be safer using Macross as a base is fooling themselves. How many people cheered when they said they were going to be using the original Armada materials to start with for Transformers. And how many of us watched in stunned disgust at what they did to them?

momgamer wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:
momgamer wrote:

This is a rallying cry for the Please Please Pleese Get a Life Club. Of which I'm a card-carrying member! I have no real hopes this is going to turn out well no matter which set of materials they try to use.

You even breath the word "Robotech" among a crowd of like-minded folks and you'll be booed and hissed at best or given a lengthy lecture of how the Americans butchered Macross.

They did. Harmony Gold flenced that whale with a chainsaw. Don't even get me started....

But if anyone thinks they're going to be safer using Macross as a base is fooling themselves. How many people cheered when they said they were going to be using the original Armada materials to start with for Transformers. And how many of us watched in stunned disgust at what they did to them?

Excellent point. However, despite my unadulterated hate of Robotech, an unabashed love of Macross and the other unbutchered series related to it, I'm going to hold out some hope that maybe, just maybe they won't kill this one.

AnimeJ wrote:
momgamer wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:
momgamer wrote:

This is a rallying cry for the Please Please Pleese Get a Life Club. Of which I'm a card-carrying member! I have no real hopes this is going to turn out well no matter which set of materials they try to use.

You even breath the word "Robotech" among a crowd of like-minded folks and you'll be booed and hissed at best or given a lengthy lecture of how the Americans butchered Macross.

They did. Harmony Gold flenced that whale with a chainsaw. Don't even get me started....

But if anyone thinks they're going to be safer using Macross as a base is fooling themselves. How many people cheered when they said they were going to be using the original Armada materials to start with for Transformers. And how many of us watched in stunned disgust at what they did to them?

Excellent point. However, despite my unadulterated hate of Robotech, an unabashed love of Macross and the other unbutchered series related to it, I'm going to hold out some hope that maybe, just maybe they won't kill this one.

Do that. The world needs more optimists like you. I'm just a jaded old lady who's seen too much these last few years.

I don't understand what the difference is! AHH!

I like the first 36 collected episodes of the series in japanese where they fly planes that turn into robots and fight giants from space.

So what the hell is it that I like? Robotech or Macross?

I also like Macross Plus, the four part series that got cut down into a movie, where they use planes that turn into robots, one that is controlled with your mind, to fight giant bugs in space.

I'm pretty sure It's Macross that you like Chiggie. Macross and the Robotech Macross Saga are different, but not that different. They are cut differently (roy fokker is a lout :)) and have different endings but that's about it. I'm not sure what bugs you're referring to though in Macross Plus. Anyways, something all Robotech Haters/Macross Lovers must concede is that Robotech created a hell of a lot of anime fans.

Desram wrote:

I'm pretty sure It's Macross that you like Chiggie. Macross and the Robotech Macross Saga are different, but not that different. They are cut differently (roy fokker is a lout :)) and have different endings but that's about it. I'm not sure what bugs you're referring to though in Macross Plus. Anyways, something all Robotech Haters/Macross Lovers must concede is that Robotech created a hell of a lot of anime fans.

IMO, Robotech isn't nearly as responsible as stuff like DBZ, Ranma 1/2 or Gundam is. While Macross was popular over there, I just don't recall it being huge outside of the folks who were really into anime, the folks who are really the closest thing to an American Otaku you'll find.

Well, just to give you an idea, protoculture in Macross is a culture of society like latin or irish culture. In the first 36 episodes of Robotech, protoculture is a flower that is a power source.

I don't hate Robotech and it was responsible for making an anime fan out of me though the roots were already there with shogun warriors, ultraman, giant robo, speed racer and kimba the white lion. (giant robo and ultraman weren't anime at that time, however)

Mospeada is the japanese name for the third part of Robotech and is my favorite. (cyclones, alphas, betas and invid mechs, FTW) Also if you haven't noticed, my avatar is an Invid officer battlesuit.

Not to dis Tobey, but I think someone like Ryan Phillipe would make a better Hikaru Ichijo. I think Lindsey Lohan, as much as I despise her, is totally type cast to be Minmei. Who would be Misa Hayasu... Kate Beckinsale!!! If Denis Leary were younger, he'd make a great Roy Fokker.

Keep in mind that this is Robotech, not Macross, that's been licensed. That means the American character names and universe, which at this point isn't limited to what aired on television in the 80s. It could be related to the Macross-based part of the series, the rest of it, the Sentinels, the Shadow Chronicles, or something entirely new.

I doubt this has any implications for bringing Macross, or either of the other two series that were bolted together with it, to the big screen.

AnimeJ wrote:
Desram wrote:

I'm pretty sure It's Macross that you like Chiggie. Macross and the Robotech Macross Saga are different, but not that different. They are cut differently (roy fokker is a lout :)) and have different endings but that's about it. I'm not sure what bugs you're referring to though in Macross Plus. Anyways, something all Robotech Haters/Macross Lovers must concede is that Robotech created a hell of a lot of anime fans.

IMO, Robotech isn't nearly as responsible as stuff like DBZ, Ranma 1/2 or Gundam is. While Macross was popular over there, I just don't recall it being huge outside of the folks who were really into anime, the folks who are really the closest thing to an American Otaku you'll find.

I invoke the wordsmythe meme (not lettin' it die!) at you, AnimeJ. Robotech hit the US decades before that stuff you mentioned, and it was huge with my generation.

Also: all Minmei haters please die in a fire.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:
Desram wrote:

I'm pretty sure It's Macross that you like Chiggie. Macross and the Robotech Macross Saga are different, but not that different. They are cut differently (roy fokker is a lout :)) and have different endings but that's about it. I'm not sure what bugs you're referring to though in Macross Plus. Anyways, something all Robotech Haters/Macross Lovers must concede is that Robotech created a hell of a lot of anime fans.

IMO, Robotech isn't nearly as responsible as stuff like DBZ, Ranma 1/2 or Gundam is. While Macross was popular over there, I just don't recall it being huge outside of the folks who were really into anime, the folks who are really the closest thing to an American Otaku you'll find.

I invoke the wordsmythe meme (not lettin' it die!) at you, AnimeJ. Robotech hit the US decades before that stuff you mentioned, and it was huge with my generation.

Also: all Minmei haters please die in a fire. :smile:

Prepare for burnination: Robotech hit US mainstream at the same time that Ranma 1/2 was kicking off in Japan. Gundam beats Robotech in Japan by 15 years, so there's that. DBZ I'll give you, however, Dragonball, which I had implicitly included in DBZ also started airing in Japan in the mid 1980s, and I'd seen that along with Ranma, Gundam and Maison Ikkoku, which predates everything I've listed save Gundam.

Finally, I have one thing left to say: He should have let Minmei fall.

And don't forget, Mazinger Z, Shogun Warriors, Astroboy, Speed Racer, G-Force, and Kimba. Those all had an impact almost a decade before Robotech. And one of the many incarnations of Voltron was at least concurrent with Robotech.

Didn't I call this?

AnimeJ wrote:

Prepare for burnination: Robotech hit US mainstream at the same time that Ranma 1/2 was kicking off in Japan.

Prepare to compare apples to apples: me and Desram were both talking about the US - I even used the phrase "hit the US".

Rat Boy wrote:

Didn't I call this?

You sure did. Popcorn?

Thirteenth wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

Didn't I call this?

You sure did. Popcorn?

Popcorn.

Rat Boy wrote:
Thirteenth wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

Didn't I call this?

You sure did. Popcorn?

Popcorn.

Pork Rinds?

Fedaykin98 wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:

Prepare for burnination: Robotech hit US mainstream at the same time that Ranma 1/2 was kicking off in Japan.

Prepare to compare apples to apples: me and Desram were both talking about the US - I even used the phrase "hit the US". :razz:

True enough, but fandom started with fansubs AFAIC

And gimme some of that popcorn

Careful of Popcorn Lung.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Careful of Popcorn Lung and cauliflower ears.

Yeah cant popcorn fumes be harmful or toxic? =P

I dont know jack squat about anime or Robotech or Macross or Lacrosse for that matter, but big robots that turn into airplanes and blow stuff up - sounds good to me. I loved Speed Racer when I was a kid and I remember Voltron - didnt he get put together by a bunch of pieces - each flown by a different kid? He had like lion feet or something? I used to get up early before school to watch that and some cartoon about a flying Battleship.

I've never been that into anime, but I did enjoy Robotech when I was a kid. Only really followed series 3 though. It was the airplane/robot thing.

But this whole debate has sidelined the real issue which is ....... Tobey Maquire nooooo. Please god save us from Emo Spiderman. It could be Ok of he remains producer, can't do too much damage signing cheques (hopefully)

Desram wrote:

I'm pretty sure It's Macross that you like Chiggie. Macross and the Robotech Macross Saga are different, but not that different. They are cut differently (roy fokker is a lout :)) and have different endings but that's about it. I'm not sure what bugs you're referring to though in Macross Plus. Anyways, something all Robotech Haters/Macross Lovers must concede is that Robotech created a hell of a lot of anime fans.

Weren't they building prototypes to better fight the Invid? I thought those were essentially ginormous bugs in suits, in space.

I still have ep 1 - 24 of Robotech on AVI's on CD (I lost the last two) so I think I'm just going to re-watch those and not really care what it's called.

You know I had a discussion about this on the Robotech forums a while back. If done correctly it could actually do well in revitalizing the story. If done poorly it will be the last nail in the coffin for any hope of a decent Live Action version of Robotech or Macross for that matter.

In truth my first instinct is to turn away and weep for the atrocity that will hit the big screen. I fear for the worst and hope for the best.

For the record they should only do Macross Saga, highlight the important part of Souther Cross which has nothing to do with anything on that planet and everything to do with Robotech masters attempting and failing and then go straight into Invid Invasion highlighting once again on what happens to SDF-3. You may get one or two solid movies from that. Though a complete story only on Macross Saga would be the first thing to do.

Chiggie Von Richthofen wrote:
Desram wrote:

I'm pretty sure It's Macross that you like Chiggie. Macross and the Robotech Macross Saga are different, but not that different. They are cut differently (roy fokker is a lout :)) and have different endings but that's about it. I'm not sure what bugs you're referring to though in Macross Plus. Anyways, something all Robotech Haters/Macross Lovers must concede is that Robotech created a hell of a lot of anime fans.

Weren't they building prototypes to better fight the Invid? I thought those were essentially ginormous bugs in suits, in space.

I still have ep 1 - 24 of Robotech on AVI's on CD (I lost the last two) so I think I'm just going to re-watch those and not really care what it's called.

The Invid was outside of the Macross saga in Robotech. They are from the Genesis Climber Mospeada part of it. The prototypes in Macross plus were just the two valkyrie fighters being considered by the UN Spacy. Robotech = (Macross bit, Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross bit, Mospeada bit). Macross itself consists of Super Dimension Fortress Macross (The 36 ep TV show), Macross 2 (Not part of canon), Macross: Do you remember love (the movie remake of the TV series), Macross Plus (4-part OAV and movie versions), Macross 7 (another TV show that never came to North America), Macross Zero (another OAV that didn't make it here). The reason the last two never got here are probably because Harmony Gold (the robotech guys) hold the license here and prevented their release.

SpyNavy wrote:

I dont know jack squat about anime or Robotech or Macross or Lacrosse for that matter, but big robots that turn into airplanes and blow stuff up - sounds good to me. I loved Speed Racer when I was a kid and I remember Voltron - didnt he get put together by a bunch of pieces - each flown by a different kid? He had like lion feet or something? I used to get up early before school to watch that and some cartoon about a flying Battleship.

Voltron was a robot formed when 5 robot lions joined together. Yes, each lion was piloted by a different person and they had to act together to control Voltron.

Actually, there was another Voltron that was composed of 15 or so smaller vehicles.

The flying battleship might have been Star Blazers. After the Earth comes under attack, the battleship Yamato is retrofitted to become a starship and is sent out into space to find a way to cleanse Earth of its radiation.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
SpyNavy wrote:

I dont know jack squat about anime or Robotech or Macross or Lacrosse for that matter, but big robots that turn into airplanes and blow stuff up - sounds good to me. I loved Speed Racer when I was a kid and I remember Voltron - didnt he get put together by a bunch of pieces - each flown by a different kid? He had like lion feet or something? I used to get up early before school to watch that and some cartoon about a flying Battleship.

Voltron was a robot formed when 5 robot lions joined together. Yes, each lion was piloted by a different person and they had to act together to control Voltron.

Actually, there was another Voltron that was composed of 15 or so smaller vehicles.

The flying battleship might have been Star Blazers. After the Earth comes under attack, the battleship Yamato is retrofitted to become a starship and is sent out into space to find a way to cleanse Earth of its radiation.

Yep thats the one - did the battleship have some sort of Megacannon in the forward part of the ship?

SpyNavy wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:
SpyNavy wrote:

I dont know jack squat about anime or Robotech or Macross or Lacrosse for that matter, but big robots that turn into airplanes and blow stuff up - sounds good to me. I loved Speed Racer when I was a kid and I remember Voltron - didnt he get put together by a bunch of pieces - each flown by a different kid? He had like lion feet or something? I used to get up early before school to watch that and some cartoon about a flying Battleship.

Voltron was a robot formed when 5 robot lions joined together. Yes, each lion was piloted by a different person and they had to act together to control Voltron.

Actually, there was another Voltron that was composed of 15 or so smaller vehicles.

The flying battleship might have been Star Blazers. After the Earth comes under attack, the battleship Yamato is retrofitted to become a starship and is sent out into space to find a way to cleanse Earth of its radiation.

Yep thats the one - did the battleship have some sort of Megacannon in the forward part of the ship?

SDF Macross had all that too, you know.

SpyNavy wrote:

Yep thats the one - did the battleship have some sort of Megacannon in the forward part of the ship?

It was called the Wave Motion Gun.

And so did the Space Battleship Yamato from Star Blazers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_B...

This was another classic anime from the late 70's. Another one I forgot to mention was Galaxy Express 999, which is the tales of Captain Harlock (who Rick Hunter got his looks from)

Desram did a nice recap. I must say that my favorite Macross mechs are from Macross 2, which unfortunately wasn't official cannon but was very well done with some good music that was spoiled by the horrible ending song that ushers in peace in the universe.