Top 5 Game Franchises that should not have been abandoned.

dhelor - Katamari has another sequel coming out, and to the 360, no less! Seems like this game and achievements will be a match made in heaven.

And did you play the two 2-D GBA Metroids?

Diablo, of course. Man, would I love to see it come back as World of Diablo.
Baldur's Gate
Big seconded to Little Big Adventures. Crazy French art direction has few equals, even now.
Ultima, circa Ultima IV. Surely the hardware is up to the task of depicting moral questions in 3D at this point?
And a personal favorite: Heretic. I still have more memories of Heretic II multiplayer with and without mods than any other game.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

dhelor - Katamari has another sequel coming out, and to the 360, no less! Seems like this game and achievements will be a match made in heaven.

And did you play the two 2-D GBA Metroids?

1. That's awesome, more reason for me to get a 360.

2. Yes, played AND beat. But it's been a while since a new one came out. At the very least, a port of Super Metroid for the GBA/DS would be apropos.

If any of the ones I listed are in development, it's only as much as DNF is in development.

You'd be wrong on my list, dude, and on a lot of others as well.

-- Mechwarrior was killed with prejudice during the development of Mechwarrior 5 (which never saw the light of day). Since then it's been twisted into a stunted parody of itself via Mechassault. Even Chromehounds kicks sand in that thing's face.

-- Wingcommander has an arcade knockoff in production for XboxLive, but other than that it's DOA. The license was recently bought by EA. With all that that implies.

-- Starcraft Ghost died a publicly decried death last year. Nothing else announced.

-- Red Baron was a PC classic, and it's sequel a worthy player. Tumbleweeds have been drifting through this franchise since 1997.

-- Alpha Centauri had an expansion pack called 'Alien Crossfire', but beyond that not a sound since 1999.

-- Deus Ex. Not a word since Project Snowblind in 2005. And that really didn't count.

Looking through the rest of the list, I don't see anything there that I have heard had a sequel other than that XBL quarter-sucker for Wingcommander.

If you want to go find some links to some info to support your point I think everyone here would be grateful. I for one would love to know that some of these games are actually in the works under the hood somewhere.

Hmm, well since you took such umbrage...

Mechwarrior, other than Mechassault, has seemingly been abandoned. No arguments. Stick that in the 25%. Ditto for Deus Ex.

Wingcommander I mentioned. It was an Origin property, so you don't get credit for that one. Autoduel and Jane's were also Origin properties. No credit for Red Baron either, since it was a Sierra property, as was the Aces series and Front Page sports.

Alpha Centauri was a single game plus expansion, hardly a franchise. It was Civilization without the license, which Firaxis has subsequently gotten.

Anyone who actually thinks Blizzard has abandoned any of their franchises needs to have their head examined.

Phantom Dust, Downhill Domination, Giants: Citizen Kabuto, Okami, Jet Set Radio, Freedom Fighters, Kid Icarus, Threads of Fate, Planescape, Ascendancy, BG&E, Psychonauts, etc are all single titles and not what I would consider 'franchises'.

I missed the mentions of Descent/Freespace, Warlords and Myth the first go around.

Jet Set Radio Future is the sequel so there is a franchise there. As for the others, it doesn't matter, I want more of them.

I'd like to see Age of Wonders revisited, or Lords of the realm.

Jet Set Radio Future is the sequel so there is a franchise there. As for the others, it doesn't matter, I want more of them.

I am pretty sure JSRF was a port of JSF from Dreamcast to Xbox. But point taken.

I'd like to see Age of Wonders revisited, or Lords of the realm.

Jagged Alliance and Wizardry come to mind as well.

Deus Ex - someone had to... Yes, sequel was not as awesome as the first but they could make up for it with another sequel.

Actually they did do another sequel, Project Snowblind. So I guess they'll make it up with another another sequel.

JohnnyMoJo wrote:
Jet Set Radio Future is the sequel so there is a franchise there. As for the others, it doesn't matter, I want more of them.

I am pretty sure JSRF was a port of JSF from Dreamcast to Xbox. But point taken. ;-)

Via Wikipedia:

JSRF is the sequel to the groundbreaking Sega Dreamcast game, Jet Set Radio (or Jet Grind Radio in the US). Even though it was the second in the series, the game did not contain a continuation of the former game's story, but instead was considered to be a streamlined remix of the original game with additional areas and characters included.

Two completely different games. Don't forget there was a Jet Set Radio for the GBA too.

1. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Infocom) - Damn thing ended with a reference to the "upcoming" Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

2. M.U.L.E. (Electronic Arts, Ozark Softscape) - almost trite to mention. But my brother, my father and I used to gather around the C-64 to play this when I was a kid. The nostalgia factor is pretty high for me on this one.

3. Seven Cities of Gold/Heart of Africa (Electronic Arts, Ozark Softscape) - I could argue that Seven Cities was the precursor to Elite/Privateer (meet and trade with different locales), Pirates! (visit different cities with your ship and army who might be getting antsy to leave you), Civilization (where IS everyone?), and Total War (appease the Pope/Senate/Queen).

4. Ultima (Origin). Ultima 5 (er, the Black Gate, whatever that one was) starts with you finding someone drawn and quartered, with the body left in a barn. It was awesome.

5. Wing Commander (Origin). The feel of the first two games of this series actually remind me of the current Battlestar Galactica TV series.

4. Ultima (Origin). Ultima 5 (er, the Black Gate, whatever that one was) starts with you finding someone drawn and quartered, with the body left in a barn. It was awesome.

7. It was Ultima 7. You have deeply offended me sir!

Upon further reflection, I feel that pretty much all the life has been sucked out of the Ultima franchise by the one-two kick in the junk/knee smash to the head combination that was 8 and 9.

I got one more... Road Rash!

PyromanFO wrote:
Deus Ex - someone had to... Yes, sequel was not as awesome as the first but they could make up for it with another sequel.

Actually they did do another sequel, Project Snowblind. So I guess they'll make it up with another another sequel. ;)

...but Project Snowblind is not direct sequal to Deus Ex or Deus Ex Invisible Wars, dang, they even drop Deus Ex name once IW had a poor reception. In either case, more Deus Ex is fine by me.

Brizahd wrote:

I'd like to see Age of Wonders revisited, or Lords of the realm.

Good call. AoW's 1 and 3 were bloody great games.

Running Man wrote:
Brizahd wrote:

I'd like to see Age of Wonders revisited, or Lords of the realm.

Good call. AoW's 1 and 3 were bloody great games.

Ack I had forgotten about AoW:shadow magic, so it doesn't make the 5 yr cut then since it was released 2003.

Mechwarrior

Lords of Magic

Mechwarrior

Baldur's Gate

Mechwarrior

Give me big stomping robots! I'd also want to list Age of wonders (but you're right, shadow magic came out a few years ago) and Lords of the Realm (no matter how bad the third might have been, I guess it disqualifies it as a discontinued franchise).

I see a lot of franchises worth of continuing in this thread. Let me echo:

Baldur's Gate
X-wing/Tie-Fighter
Carmageddon

And let me add:

HyperBlade: What a great and brutal game that was, and even better in multiplayer.

Wow, so many great suggestions it warms the cockles of me cynical gaming heart. Here's what I'd vote for:

  • Carmageddon
  • FreeSpace
  • Heavy Gear
  • MechWarrior
  • Road Rash
  • Speedball
  • Streets of Rage
  • Syndicate

Fallout

No One Lives Forever. There really is a lack of quality British humor in the current production.

Pizza Tycoon. Great first game, but then they cut the illegal (fun) stuff for the many uninspired sequels. I want to bribe mayors, bomb enemy restaurants, trade illegal weapons dammit!

JohnnyMoJo wrote:

...BG&E, Psychonauts, etc are all single titles and not what I would consider 'franchises'.

You're absolutely right; these are two single, standalone games. But the reason I mentioned them was that at some point in their planning stages, both Beyond Good and Evil and Psychonauts were meant to have sequels. (I believe BG&E was planned as a trilogy.) Both IPs were supposed to be franchises, that is, until they sold so poorly.

JohnnyMoJo wrote:

Jagged Alliance and Wizardry come to mind as well.

There's on and off again reports of Jagged Alliance 3 (and/or Jagged Alliance 3D) development. I have a hard time believing any game going through as much trouble as these will end up good. Call me a pessimist.

Geck wrote:

Fallout

Now that's one title we all know is under development. The big question is how it turns out.

Koning_Floris wrote:

HyperBlade: What a great and brutal game that was, and even better in multiplayer.

Although it was a single game... I have to second Hyperblade, everything about it was just awesome.

This is a more of a games that needed sequels list than a list of franchises, because there comes a point where if a series goes on long enough, my eyes start glazing over and I go off hunting for something new and shiny.

Beyond Good & Evil - I need the rest of the story dammit. And also, more Jade. Mmmm, Jade...

Arcanum - Now here's a gameworld that could do with a couple of iterations to live up to its potential. Loved the concept, loved the game. Even though it was ugly as f*ck, and hilariously unbalanced.

Crusader - Nothing like rolling into a room, blasting away at someone only to miss and hit some explosive barrels instead, causing half the screen to erupt in flames and half a dozen people runnign around shrieking.

No One Lives Forever - Cate Archer is one of the best characters in gaming, imo, and the humour of NOLF is a welcome relief in a genre that usually takes itself depressingly seriously.

Little Big Adventure - Oddball french adventure game that was insanely charming. At times, it seems like half the designers and cast were on acid. (You *know* what sort of mushrooms the characters were loking for, oh yes.) They really don't make it them like this anymore.

Things I'm completely happy to see go without sequels: Thief, System Shock, Baldur's Gate, Deus Ex. At least direct continuations. Thief was so bloody closely linked to Garrett, and Garrett's story is done. System Shock is about Shodan, and a villain grows less intimidating with every defeat. You can't really do much with Baldur's Gate story. It ended with a definite choice, and either you so powerful you're godlike, or you *are* a god. And call me crazy, but I do suspect we'll see more games in the Forgotten Realms. Deus Ex's story is verrrry tricky to follow as well. Unlike the original, the endings in Invisible War are very hard to follow, because they show that This Is What Happens Forever And Ever. You can't make a sequel without a retcon.

Take the ideas that made those games great, sure. Build on those. God knows we need more Deus Ex style games. (There's been what, Bloodlines and Stalker since invisible war that even comes close to qualifying?) But apply them to something new. New things are shiny. Look at Bioshock. Shiny, shiny new things. Mmm. Shiny.

necroyeti wrote:

Upon further reflection, I feel that pretty much all the life has been sucked out of the Ultima franchise by the one-two kick in the junk/knee smash to the head combination that was 8 and 9.

I lived and breathed Ultima back in the U4-U7 days (Yes. That's sad, I know), and I'd have to agree. Ultimas 8 and 9 pretty effectively killed my love of the series. I can't imagine anything that would bring me back to it now, except for remakes of the classics. (Has anyone tried the U5 remake that uses the Dungeon Siege engine? It looked good, but I've never gotten around to it.)

Franchises I would like to see return:
- Bioware crafted AD&D (doesn't have to be Baldur's Gate, just something in the genre by people who know how to do a serious high-fantasy RPG)
- X-Wing/Tie Fighter
- Cyberball (oh how my high school buddies and I loved that one)
- Wizardry

EDIT: I'd also be all over a third No One Lives Forever game. What fantastic games those first two were.

---Todd

People keep mentioning Baldur's Gate, isn't Dragon Age a spiritual successor to BG? That is about as close to a sequel as we are going to get.

ubrakto wrote:

- Bioware crafted AD&D (doesn't have to be Baldur's Gate, just something in the genre by people who know how to do a serious high-fantasy RPG)

You better hope their next games flop then, because as I understand it, they won't be doing any more games with a DnD ruleset because of the content restricions that come with the license. About the only thing I could see changing their mind is dire financial straits.

And as Wick pointed out, they're doing high fantasy role playing with Dragon Age anyway.

Where's the love for Tribes? Damn Vivendi for screwing up the best franchise ever!