The big "How do I choose an HDTV?" thread.

I don't believe this is marketed or priced beyond what its advertising.. it's not a general purpose screen. I'm glad though that they are in fact bringing them to the market finally.. there are a few of us that would like to build a home theatre around these types of screens without having to go the projector route.. I will probably wait and see how much the 71" costs before pulling the trigger.

TheGameguru wrote:

Finally!

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/1/276...

Its expensive though at $3400... I wonder how much the 71" ends up being.. might be perfect for me though..

Philips has made 21:9 TVs for a couple of years or so. You can see them in Wal-Marts mounted vertically as signage.

MannishBoy wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

Finally!

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/1/276...

Its expensive though at $3400... I wonder how much the 71" ends up being.. might be perfect for me though..

Philips has made 21:9 TVs for a couple of years or so. You can see them in Wal-Marts mounted vertically as signage.

Saw them in Europe.. but didnt realize they brought them to the US... Good to know.

Grumpicus wrote:
Thin_J wrote:

I finally just went for it and ordered a plasma tv. Bunches and bunches of research actually ended up leading me to a Samsung D7000 series over the Panasonic. They tend to test better (than the GT30, not the VT, but huge price difference there) almost across the board.

It looks like it averages roughly 10ms more input lag than the Panasonic GT30 series, but... eh. I pretty much never do multiplayer gaming from my couch anymore, and for singleplayer games I actually am likely to plop down on the couch to play I don't care about 10ms of input lag

Went with the 51 inch. Currently have a years old 40" Sony LCD, so it should be quite the grand upgrade.

Almost pulled the trigger on the D7000 myself last week. Decided that $2k was my budget point and it wasn't there.

What size were you looking at? The 51 inch was only $1200 on amazon with free shipping when I ordered. They were all under $2k at the time, iirc anyway.

So far I have to say I'm incredibly pleased with mine.

PN64D7000 is currently $2139.

Edit: The 42" Westy we currently have was ok in previous houses but now the viewing distance from screen to couch is 12 feet at the sweet spot and farther at the edges of the cone, obviously.

Edit2: It was below 2k as recently as four days ago but it hasn't been when I looked.

I can't imagine wanting a cinema-wide, but I watch few movies compared to games and TV shows/sports.

16:9 is pretty much the new 4:3 for me these days. Haven't watched anything in the latter ratio for quite some time, probably since the daily show went hd. I could see using the black areas for supplementary content though, like show trivia.

I love hdguru. That TV makers are getting so caught up in promoting refresh rates as key feature suggests to me they might want to start lathering themselves in deodorant, because they are reeking of desperation.

I think hdguru mislabeled Energy consumption as meaningful though--there's no real difference between an LCD and plasma over the life of the set.

There is a difference in power use, it's just not large enough that I would make a buying decision around the difference. In fact plasmas are probably enough cheaper at retail to offset future energy savings.

Chairman_Mao wrote:

I love hdguru. That TV makers are getting so caught up in promoting refresh rates as key feature suggests to me they might want to start lathering themselves in deodorant, because they are reeking of desperation.

I think they're getting caught up in the numbers game, just like megapixels on cameras or GHz on processors. Although I would sum up that first article as "Look for the letters Hz". Because actual refresh rate really does matter, it's just that they're trying to pull a bunch of technical wonkery to make a number that looks similar but better.

At least, actual refresh rate matters up to 120Hz, IMO. At that point both 24fps film material and 30fps game/TV material all get to display natively without any nasty 3:2 pulldown artifacts.

The only problem with 120hz LCD TV's is that none of them actually take a 120hz signal. They do what they do with interpolation and it ends up looking totally freakish.

No thank you.

Thin_J wrote:

The only problem with 120hz LCD TV's is that none of them actually take a 120hz signal. They do what they do with interpolation and it ends up looking totally freakish.

No thank you.

But what puts out a 120Hz signal right now? I want 120Hz because it's an even multiple of 24, so it can just show each frame five times. I agree, though, the interpolation is weird and soap-opera-esque. I have it off on both my 120Hz TVs (LCD and LCoS)

But what puts out a 120Hz signal right now?

Most modern videocards can output 120hz up to 1920X1200 via either their Dual Link DVI output, HDMI 1.4, and Display Port. The only HDTV's that can accept it for some bizzare reason right now are Mitsubishi DLP's

I don't think HDMI 1.4 supports 1900x1200 (or 1080p) at 120hz due to bandwidth limitations. AMD's 3D spec only supports 3d/60hz up to 720p over HDMI for this reason.

Essentially refresh rates on TVs don't matter anymore. Any 3D tv has to be at least 120hz, so most new LCDs and Plasmas are 120hz or higher anyway. But TV makers are taking the marketing BS a step further by making it really hard to even find out what their numbers mean--Sony's response to hdguru is complete nonsense.

I typed 1.4 when I meant 1.4A sorry.

Minarchist wrote:

But what puts out a 120Hz signal right now?

My computer!

I'm here because of Aries. I'm sorry. Blame him (her?)

Apparently I have money now.
Can anyone recommend me a good HDTV?

I am thinking minimum 40-incher with LED tech and a big brand name behind it, such as Sony.

What's a good brand and what are the pitfalls to watch out for and what are the values I should ignore, like redraw-blast rate of 80 gbjillions per nano-minute.

If someone can help me out I will eventually post a picture of me humping the new TV.

Strangeblades wrote:

I'm here because of Aries. I'm sorry. Blame him (her?)

Apparently I have money now.
Can anyone recommend me a good HDTV?

I am thinking minimum 40-incher with LED tech and a big brand name behind it, such as Sony.

What's a good brand and what are the pitfalls to watch out for and what are the values I should ignore, like redraw-blast rate of 80 gbjillions per nano-minute.

If someone can help me out I will eventually post a picture of me humping the new TV.

Truth be told, you were going to do that anyway.

Samsung, Sharp, Panasonic, maybe Sony.

Upper limit of your budget?

Other questions typically include things like; how many devices are you planning to hook up (how many HDMI ports do you need?), is it going in a room where you can control the light levels easily, do you want a matte or glossy screen, etc.

Go look at Visio. I have a 42" screen of theirs and it's been pretty phenomenal.

It will require a bit more research, but I would look for a model that uses an IPS panel. 120Hz is not important, neither is LED. You just want good blacks levels, uniform lighting, and good viewing angles, whatever technology they use. The resulting picture is what is most important. I have an LG and a Dell that both use IPS panels and I really love the results. The viewing angles are very good as well and input lag has never been an issue.

Having warm accurate well saturated colors is the goal. Any IPS based name brand set that is known for excellent movie reproduction will likely get you great set.

I have always liked Samung, LG, Panasonic, and Sony brands, but they each have their warts to. Definitely avoid bargain brands.

heavyfeul wrote:

It will require a bit more research, but I would look for a model that uses an IPS panel. 120Hz is not important, neither is LED. You just want good blacks levels, uniform lighting, and good viewing angles, whatever technology they use. The resulting picture is what is most important. I have an LG and a Dell that both use IPS panels and I really love the results. The viewing angles are very good as well and input lag has never been an issue.

Having warm accurate well saturated colors is the goal. Any IPS based name brand set that is known for excellent movie reproduction will likely get you great set.

I have always liked Samung, LG, Panasonic, and Sony brands, but they each have their warts to. Definitely avoid bargain brands.

I like the words you use. It makes you look smart. I like smart. So, LG it is then with an IPS panel. I'm looking at 40 inches at least. What LG model do you use, even if it's larger than 40 inches?

I would also avoid Sony. Pricing tends to be significantly higher on sets with the same features as competing sets, and the difference in picture quality is usually minimal if there's any advantage at all.

Their electronics/TV division is tanking right now for a reason. All their stuff is overpriced. Samsung and LG are producing similar quality products (and occasionally better) for significantly lower prices and kicking Sony's ass at retail.

I think I got it figured out

if you can answer Yes to all these questions, buy

Does the size fit your room perfectly?
Does it run natively the maximum resolution you are able to use?
(If it is LCD, is it LED backlit and preferably 120hz or more?)
Is it a Sony, Samsung or Aquos or a Viera Plasma?
Is it the same price or cheaper than the other brands aforementionned w same features?
Does it have 4 HDMI ports?
Have you seen it in person playing HD content?
Do you like what you see?
V
Buy

General rule of thumb I have is Plasma over LCD unless you have a situation where direct sunlight might cause glare as the glass screens of Plasma's can have issues in direct sunlight. Granted a few LCD manufactures have been pumping up the Gloss in their own sets so you might see that with a few LCD's as well.

What is the difference between LCD and LED and why I shouldn't/should care?

My computer monitor is LCD but I made sure the blacks were dark, colours were balanced and the refresh rate (which might be bogus anyway) was fast. If I bought an LED the same size would it simply be better out right?

TheGameguru wrote:

General rule of thumb I have is Plasma over LCD unless you have a situation where direct sunlight might cause glare as the glass screens of Plasma's can have issues in direct sunlight. Granted a few LCD manufactures have been pumping up the Gloss in their own sets so you might see that with a few LCD's as well.

Glass covered LCDs are nearly as bad as plasmas for reflections as well.

Strangeblades wrote:

What is the difference between LCD and LED and why I shouldn't/should care?

My computer monitor is LCD but I made sure the blacks were dark, colours were balanced and the refresh rate (which might be bogus anyway) was fast. If I bought an LED the same size would it simply be better out right?

Sorry, you're getting taken in by a sleazy marketing gimmick. There is no such thing as true LED TV--any flat panel TV you buy today will either be a plasma or LCD. But there are two kinds of LCD TVs--one that is backlit with CCFL (fluorescent tubes), and one that is either back or edge-lit with tiny rows of LED bulbs. TV makers like to call what are actually "LED-lit LCD TVs" just "LED TVs", and it's really confusing to consumers.

But LED-lit LCD TVs offer some advantages, nonetheless. They consume less power, contain fewer toxic materials, and can be thinner and lighter than plasmas or CCFL-lit LCD TVs.

What he said..

And yes.. HDTV's have been completely overrun by the Marketing Dept. You can throw out pretty much anything in regards to refresh rates.. pretty much you will max out at 120hz despite all the marketing terms to get you to believe that they are refreshing at 240hz+

Because.. more is better.. always.

Buy the biggest Panasonic or Samsung plasma that you can fit/afford, and that has the Internet features (Netflix, Amazon Prime Instant, etc.) you want. Those features can differ on different models.

If you're shooting for the moon, the Panasonic Viera VT line, this year's model, whatever size you like. That will likely be my next TV. I imagine Guru and some of the other hardcore TV aficionados will concur.

This is not to say there aren't any nice LCDs out there, I have one now. It's great, and my friends are complimentary of it when they come over to watch football. However, plasmas are something else.

Did I mention get the biggest you can fit and afford? Because you can get used to what sounds big now very quickly. (OoCT, activate!)