The big "How do I choose an HDTV?" thread.

TheGameguru wrote:

I never understood paying the Sony premium for an LG produced OLED panel. Glad you are enjoying the TV though.. I always say the biggest downside of OLED is once you have one if you are a multiple TV household you will hate the other TV's in your house.

My wife wandered by the OLED display at Best Buy a few weeks back. She came back very excited and wanted to know why I didn't buy one of those instead of the 70" 4K I did purchase. I told her to go back and check the price.

Her enthusiasm dampened a bit after that.

It's tough to price an OLED against the legion of TCL and Vizio low end LCD TV's.. they are price competitive with the higher end Vizio, Samsung, and Sony LCD TV's though which is far more accurate competition. But for sure cheap LCD TV's are good enough for most consumers and just like Plasma not enough people care about Picture Quality to pay the premium. The people that do pay $4000 for a top end Samsung LCD are mysterious to me though.. I don't get that.. the viewing angles alone would be a deal breaker for me.. I've been to people's homes to watch football and unless I'm in that sweet spot to watch the TV its all washed out and looks terrible from an extreme angle unlike OLED.

The biggest thing that worries me with OLED is longevity. You know an LCD TV is going to last for an exceedingly long time.

TheGameguru wrote:

I never understood paying the Sony premium for an LG produced OLED panel.

Well, the panel is one thing yeah and I thought as much for a long time... but there is a computer that drives nearly 500 million pixels per second in there. It manages the source you give it and makes it look as best as it can. That's what I paid for, Sony's expertise in image treatment, colour accuracy, etc.

Malor wrote:

The biggest thing that worries me with OLED is longevity. You know an LCD TV is going to last for an exceedingly long time.

Even with heavy use an OLED TV will last well beyond its useful life. Typically we don't expect the length of service from hi-tech devices so their lifespan is well within competing products. They said much the same about Plasma but I know a few people who have 10 year sets still going strong.

interstate78 wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

I never understood paying the Sony premium for an LG produced OLED panel.

Well, the panel is one thing yeah and I thought as much for a long time... but there is a computer that drives nearly 500 million pixels per second in there. It manages the source you give it and makes it look as best as it can. That's what I paid for, Sony's expertise in image treatment, colour accuracy, etc.

Again its a fine panel for sure.. Rtings puts them through their paces and the LG still comes out on top.. you might get slightly better color treatment but it doesn't seem worth the price premium.

I went ahead and took a look at TVs on rtings last night, and it occurred to me that by waiting until Fall 2020, the new consoles will be out, and they will define the tech I care about for the following six or so years. Seems like some kind of variable refresh rate may be desireable, and by waiting until the console specs are fully known, one can be sure of being temporarily future-proof. Call it present-proof.

Yeah that does seem like the best plan. Was my reasoning as well, though I lost my patience and got an LG. Hopefully there was no lies in their specs and it really does support the expected 'next gen' console features. But with 2020 TVs it should be guaranteed.

I’d go with Sony over LG too (and have). I just trust and prefer the brand more and have had a not great experience with LG a while ago.

TheGameguru wrote:

Again its a fine panel for sure.. Rtings puts them through their paces and the LG still comes out on top...

Well, I’m going to go ahead and use the b-word here. The Sony A9G just won best TV award at the 2019 TV shootout. I watched Rtings’ review the day it came out and It seemed to me that they were biased against Sony. There, I said it.

anyways I agree with you that it’s extremely hard to justify spending that much more. If it was a couple hundred bucks it wouldn’t be such a big deal. The price difference is just crazy.

LeapingGnome wrote:

I’d go with Sony over LG too (and have). I just trust and prefer the brand more and have had a not great experience with LG a while ago.

I’ve had LG OLED’s since 2015 and they’ve been great all rock solid with numerous firmware updates and improvements to things like input lag and HDR performance.

I’m also impressed with their WebOS as a smart TV platform. My Sony 940D which I finally retired for the 77” C8 ran Android and was slow and crashed all the time.

LG LCD TV’s are pretty awful from what I understand though.

TheGameguru wrote:
Malor wrote:

The biggest thing that worries me with OLED is longevity. You know an LCD TV is going to last for an exceedingly long time.

Even with heavy use an OLED TV will last well beyond its useful life. Typically we don't expect the length of service from hi-tech devices so their lifespan is well within competing products. They said much the same about Plasma but I know a few people who have 10 year sets still going strong.

My best friend still has a damn plasma TV. Not sure how old the it is, but it is 720p. I like to give him sh*t about it because he recently upgraded his surround sound system to a Dolby Atmos one when his old one went out.

I was under the impression, perhaps mistakenly, that plasma's lifespan was pretty good, and that OLED's was much shorter. Is this wrong?

Malor wrote:

I was under the impression, perhaps mistakenly, that plasma's lifespan was pretty good, and that OLED's was much shorter. Is this wrong?

As of 2015 LG rated the lifespan of their OLED TV’s at 30 years if you watched it 10 hours a day.

I'm getting an occasional, enfuriating black screen flicker every once in awhile for a second with my PS4 Pro. Anyone run into this with 4K HDR TVs? Only solution googling I'm seeing is to maybe get an HDMI switcher that magically solves an HDMI handshake issue.

I have the PS4 Pro hooked up directly via an HDMI 2.0 cable. So frustrating!

Edit: may be splicing 2 hdmi 2.0 cables together with an HDMI 2.0 coupler. I can barely make it work temporarily with 1 and am not getting dropouts for now.

While we're talking about HDMI switches, what do you do about sound?

I'm putting a TV in my "office" and will put a HDMI switch on my computer so I can switch video between my monitor and my TV. I'd like to have the sound switchable as well. While my monitor has some speakers, I'd really like to keep using my 2.1 satellite speakers. When I switch to the TV, however, I'd like the sound to get merged into the HDMI and zip off to the TV, where I'll have a nice sound bar to turn the bits into compressed air.

Even better would be a switch where I could choose sound output and video outputs with the ability to merge both into HDMI to be sent to the TV or separate when sent to the monitor.

I have my HDMI switch going into my TV, and then optical from the TV to my soundbar.

I’ve seen some HDMI switches that will allow you to send audio over optical instead of HDMI. In general depending on your setup you want to default to HDMI for audio as optical is limited to older surround tech.

Worse only eARC will pass back uncompressed Dolby Atmos. All current ARC implementations will only do compressed Atmos. We really need to fast forward a few years and get some new tech standard already.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

I have my HDMI switch going into my TV, and then optical from the TV to my soundbar.

The problem is that the HDMI from my computer doesn't have audio as that is coming from the sound board. I did find a couple of audio inserters on Amazon that seem to do the job. I think I'm going to end up with a HDMI switch [computer monitor|TV] and an audio switch [satellite 2.1|wireless headphones|audio inserter]. The audio inserter will sit between the HDMI switch and the TV.

Anyway, all problems to be solved in November when I finally get back into my office after our whole-house remodel...

What graphics card do you have? You should be able to set your computer's audio to output via that HDMI.

I have a RTX 2080. Yes, you're right! I was confused by the device name, which is my monitor (that has built in speakers).

So that means I should only need a HDMI switch. Great! No to work out how to run the cable from the switch to the TV. I was hoping to run cat 5 up through existing conduits that run in the walls behind the PC and TV up to the attic and then use HDMI Baluns with Cat 5e. However, these seem to be limited to 1080p and I want to be able to run at least 4K. Looks like there's fiber optic HDMI cable that will to the job. The big question is whether I'll be able to run the HDMI connector through the conduit. If not, there's cable out there with replaceable connectors, so I could put the connector on after running it through.

Either way, my setup is taking shape!!

Thanks for the pointer!

You will probably see some extra input latency with a HDMI over Cat5/6. I make use of dozens of them in my job and they do seem to lag a bit behind the stuff that is connected directly. We make use of Extron ones that seem to emphasize quality over speed.

FYI, Costco has the 65" LG C9 for about $50 less than Amazon until this Saturday (Aug. 17). The part number is slightly different: OLED65C9PUA vs OLED65C9AUA. As far as I can tell, it's just a slightly different packaging for US big-box retailers.

https://www.costco.com/LG-65"-Class-(64.5"-Diag.)-4K-Ultra-HD-OLED-TV.product.100488595.html

https://www.cnet.com/news/tcl-roku-t...

Looks like TCL is getting into the high end game as well with some new TV's.. I still don't get why someone would pay $2000 for a 65" LCD TV when I've seen LG 65" OLED's for $1800-$1900 on sale.

TheGameguru wrote:

https://www.cnet.com/news/tcl-roku-t...

Looks like TCL is getting into the high end game as well with some new TV's.. I still don't get why someone would pay $2000 for a 65" LCD TV when I've seen LG 65" OLED's for $1800-$1900 on sale.

Yeah pricing on some of those LCD models is full on crazypants.

But people still buy into all the FUD that idiots who abuse their displays throw around about OLED sets and here we are.

Thin_J wrote:

But people still buy into all the FUD that idiots who abuse their displays throw around about OLED sets and here we are.

I always assume that those people are leaving their TV tuned to CNN all day, which makes me feel sad for them.

T-Prime wrote:
Thin_J wrote:

But people still buy into all the FUD that idiots who abuse their displays throw around about OLED sets and here we are.

I always assume that those people are leaving their TV tuned to Fox News all day, which makes me feel sad for them.

FTFY

TheGameguru wrote:

https://www.cnet.com/news/tcl-roku-t...

Looks like TCL is getting into the high end game as well with some new TV's.. I still don't get why someone would pay $2000 for a 65" LCD TV when I've seen LG 65" OLED's for $1800-$1900 on sale.

Hey, finally a TCL TV with more than 3 HDMI imports. Only have to spend *squints* $2000 to get it.