Suggest Me Some Metal

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EDIT: No, not a moderation, just accidentally posted before I finished my thought, and changed my mind.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

And the description of the band on that page says "industrial-metal". :)

I'm never surprised to hear that I'm not entirely right.

Yeah, "real" industrial is all that old school synth/sample-driven stuff like old Front 242, Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, old NIN, etc. Once you add heavy guitars to the electronics you've got industrial metal, which is where Ministry comes in, along with bits and pieces of Killing Joke, Prong, Godflesh, Fear Factory and so on.

Group hug! IMAGE(http://rps.net/QS/Images/Smilies/grouphug.gif)

I dunno what the group hug is about, but that emoticon is frikkin' hilarious, Mr. Bigglesworth.

Nothing is more metal than a group hug. IMAGE(http://rps.net/QS/Images/Smilies/headbanger.gif)

Hey, now that I think about it, when Metallica changed their shtiq after Black and cut their hair, etc., Lars and Kirk exchanged a kiss. Group hugs are nothing!

My favorite "new" metal band (currently) has got to be Psychostick, and their song Beer is driving the local rock stations DJs insane becasue of the requests for it.

*Legion* wrote:
I took quick looks at Therion, Dream Theatre and some others but I'm not sure where to start.

Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons, Images & Words, Awake, and Scenes From a Memory. Do not go any later than SFAM

Dude, are you serious?! Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is definitely one of my top albums for DT. Not only some very complicated and high-energy pieces (such as Glass Prison), but the second disc in particular does a fantastic job of storytelling. In much the same way Rush told an album-long story with 2112, so does DT on the second disc of that album. To be honest, I am a huge DT fanboy and am nuts about everything they do (well, maybe not Octavarium so much), but they definitely had some fantastic (albeit different) works after SFAM.

Parallax Abstraction wrote:

Not only some very complicated and high-energy pieces (such as Glass Prison)

Complicated does not equal "good". It's a perfect example of everything bad that DT has become. The songcrafting is gone. All that's left is musical gymnastics.

but the second disc in particular does a fantastic job of storytelling. In much the same way Rush told an album-long story with 2112, so does DT on the second disc of that album.

"Telling a story" the same way an old great album did does not make for a new great album. It's a pretty pompous thing to do in the first place and very few actually pull it off without looking downright silly. DT didn't.

To be honest, I am a huge DT fanboy and am nuts about everything they do

That explains it.

I've recently become a fan of Dark Faith, a Florida death metal group. This is largely because their lead vocalist (lead screamer, as he puts it) and writer is both a good friend of mine and a fellow philosophy grad student, so that unlike most death metal bands their lyrics deal pretty heavily in things that interest me. You can hear a sampling of their stuff at their (NSFW) MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/darkfaith

*Legion* wrote:

Complicated does not equal "good". It's a perfect example of everything bad that DT has become. The songcrafting is gone. All that's left is musical gymnastics.

I couldn't disagree more. Their music has become far more progressive over the years and even they will admit that going in that direction hasn't been to everyone's liking. They also have said that they expect to have a turnover in certain segments of their fan base as they aren't afraid to experiment and their albums will often change significantly from one to the next. Octavarium was a definite example of this and despite my being a huge fan of this band, that's an album I don't care for at all. You are correct in that something being complicated does not make it good on spec. But in the current mainstream music climate, it is a definite plus.

*Legion* wrote:

"Telling a story" the same way an old great album did does not make for a new great album. It's a pretty pompous thing to do in the first place and very few actually pull it off without looking downright silly. DT didn't.

I disagree there too, but my greater point is that I don't see how it's pompous to try and tell a story through music. It's am ambitious thing to do and while we don't line up on the degree of success DT met with, I applaud anyone willing to make the effort. Them trying doesn't make them idiots in my opinion, it indicates their willingness to try more things which isn't something you see much anymore.

*Legion* wrote:

That explains it.

Not really no. My girlfriend who never listened to DT before meeting me, prefers their newer stuff. The two friends who introduced me to their music think Train of Thought is their best album which I don't. My being a huge fan of their's doesn't invalidate my liking their newer stuff over your not liking it. We clearly don't think alike on this which is cool, but my being a strong fan doesn't make me a blind defender of them. Like I said, Octavarium...ugh.

Parallax Abstraction wrote:

even they will admit that going in that direction hasn't been to everyone's liking

The problem is that they're just not very good at it. There are artists out there creating deep, musically complex, "progressive" music. DT isn't one of them. They're only "progressive" insofar as much of their fanbase is unaware of everyone else that has gone over the same ground many times over already. I see many DT fans mistake technically complex for musically complex. DT has never been at the forefront of complex music - many fans just hold them as such as they compare DT to "mainstream" music (there's not a DT discussion that happens without someone comparing them to "the mainstream").

Them trying doesn't make them idiots in my opinion, it indicates their willingness to try more things which isn't something you see much anymore.

Don't see much anymore? It's happening all the time. Just not in the m-m-m-"mainstream".

If you want some really heavy stuff. Then I suggest taking a trip to blackmetalradio.com They've got a pretty good sampling of really heavy bands.

But to list some:
Cannibal Corpse
Morbid Angel
Deicide
Decapitated
Suffocation
Vital Remains
Darkthrone
Opeth
Enslaved
Emperor
Satyricon
Marduk
Drudkh
Gorgoroth
Gorguts
Cryptopsy
Immortal

EARTHRIDE!!

Just discovered this Maryland band when on Pandora.

They're only "progressive" insofar as much of their fanbase is unaware of everyone else that has gone over the same ground many times over already.

Hmm... Not quite.

Here's the thing about Dream Theater. As a rock band, they aren't much special. They have a lead singer who is an 80s hairband reject and fairly pedestrian lyrics. What I love about the DT experience is the way Petrucci and Rudess are able to jam off each other and create some absolutely wonderful sounds. The best part of a DT show is when James gets off the stage and the rest of em go at it Liquid Tension style.

Heheheeh.. Cannibal Corpse... allow me.. (reads like a disgusting Nursery Rhyme:)

The father of three was impaled on the wheel,
as his skull became part of the dash
His eyeballs ejected his sight uneffected, he
saw his own organs collapse
His seatbelt was useless for holding him back,
it simply cut him in two
Legs were crushed, out leaked puss as his
spinal cord took off and flew
The mother took a flight through the glass, and
ended up impaled on a sign
Her intestines stretched from the car down the
road for a quarter of mile
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...
Life is but a dream.

Stylez wrote:

Here's the thing about Dream Theater. As a rock band, they aren't much special. They have a lead singer who is an 80s hairband reject and fairly pedestrian lyrics. What I love about the DT experience is the way Petrucci and Rudess are able to jam off each other and create some absolutely wonderful sounds. The best part of a DT show is when James gets off the stage and the rest of em go at it Liquid Tension style.

Now that I'd agree with. I'm not a James LaBrie hater, but I agree that live he doesn't sound terribly good and he is not at all what draws me to their music. I've found some of their lyrics to be more meaningful than others, but overall they are at best average. But when you have Portnoy, Rudess and Petrucci all in sync, you get some stellar sounds. But they could be an entirely instrumental band and I wouldn't like them any less. Their lyrics and the vocals are very secondary tome and most people I know who are fans of DT seem to think the same way.

Parallex Abstraction wrote:

But they could be an entirely instrumental band and I wouldn't like them any less.

You mean...something like this?

I really like DT, particularly through SFAM, although some of the later, harder stuff has an appeal as well. Also, I really enjoyed them in concert.

I have to give a nod to God Lives Underwater. I just found this cd as I was going through my collection to add to my mp3 collection to take to school. It has been listed as metal in some compilations but it leans more to experimental dance/melody rock with a techno beat as well as some hard rock sprinkled in for good measure.

You said no screamers but I have to mention Pantera as well. Probably one of the best "mainstream" metal bands from the 90's. They technically got started in the 80's, but started out as a hair metal band from Texas. They didn't come into their own until Phil started wailing with them in '88. Cowboys from Hell and my favorite album, Vulgar Display of Power were both incredible albums and he can yell with the best of them, but he actually has actual melodic chops, when he chooses to show them.

Cartoonin - What God Lives Underwater stuff are we talking about? They had a song on the (really cool) Johnny Mnemonic soundtrack that I LOVED. LOVED.

I'll just throw in here that there were several cool songs on that soundtrack, including a great Helmet song called "Complete" that really rocks. As a huge Helmet fan, that makes it a must-have all by itself.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Cartoonin - What God Lives Underwater stuff are we talking about? They had a song on the (really cool) Johnny Mnemonic soundtrack that I LOVED. LOVED.

I'll just throw in here that there were several cool songs on that soundtrack, including a great Helmet song called "Complete" that really rocks. As a huge Helmet fan, that makes it a must-have all by itself.

The album I am talking about is "Life in the So Called Space Age" I love/loved Helmet as well. Betty being my favorite album, Aftertaste is decent as well.

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Somebody (not a lazy bastid like me) needs to summarize this list.

Thread arise!

Just wanted to let you all know that I've harvested the following list of albums to go and acquire. Some are ideas from this thread, some are albums I had and loved (and have since lost/sold) and some are both.

Pantera: Cowboys From Hell
Pantera: Vulgar Display of Power
Metallica: Master of Puppets
Sepultura: Chaos A.D.
Megadeth: Rust In Peace
Slayer: Reign in Blood
Corrosion of Conformity: Deliverance
Prong: Cleansing
Iron Maiden: Number of the Beast
Iron Maiden: Seventh Son of Seventh Son
Black Sabbath: Paranoid
Dream Theater: Images and Words
Machine Head: Burn My Eyes
Bruce Dickinson: The Chemical Wedding
Napalm Death: Scum
Liquid Tension Experiment: Liquid Tension Experiment

*horns*

That's a damn fine list, Jonman.

Podunk wrote:

That's a damn fine list, Jonman.

F*** yeah it is. I'm quite excited about it.

Excellent list.

There was some really good stuff recommended to me in this thread here, but I was looking for newer stuff.

I actually need to get back to that mission and follow up on more recommendations..

\m/(~_~)\m/

Podunk wrote:

That's a damn fine list, Jonman.

It really is. If you're not broke, may I add:

Slipknot - All Hope Is Gone
Dream Theater - Awake

I'd add more, but those are (to me) the most pressing needs.

I just picked up Prong's "Cleansing" and I have to say:

Whose fist is this, anyway?

ColdForged wrote:
Podunk wrote:

That's a damn fine list, Jonman.

It really is. If you're not broke, may I add:

Slipknot - All Hope Is Gone
Dream Theater - Awake

I'd add more, but those are (to me) the most pressing needs.

Meh. Slipknot can get off my lawn, and I wasn't a fan of Awake back in the day.

I'm actually super excited to check out Liquid Tension Experiment, as it sounds like it's got the intricate musicality of Dream Theater without giant-hair falsetto vocal bullsh**.