Lost 10/25/2006 *Spoilers*

Jayhawker wrote:

I'm starting to enjoy where they are trying to go with Desmond now.

Desmond should be what the primary focus of the survivors left on the beach should be, but judging by what info I've seen for the remainder of this year's episodes, it doesn't appear so. Maybe if they made more out of him and the Others rather than go over already treaded upon ground, this season would be as good as the last one. So far, it is dismally not so.

Podunk wrote:

Yeah, fair enough.

I'm just assuming that Jack is the important one and the others are there to use as leverage.

I don't know. First, it seems like they went through a lot with Sawyer if he's just leverage, and they're also keeping Jack completely in the dark as to whether Kate & Sawyer are even around or not, going so far as to even blare the horns and hood him when moving him so he couldn't see or hear the two of them. Maybe they're a hole card to be revealed later for leverage. I hope it comes to that rather than my four episode hypothesis.

Jayhawker wrote:

There's a big difference in complaining about how a character is written, or the way a certain plot is headed, and the kind of whing we see from people that don't like the way the entire show is written. This doesn't have to be a no complaint zone. It would just be nice if the complaints were coming from people that actually like the show.

Please stop pulling these assumptions and other general crap out of your rear end. It's tiresome already. You keep casting judgment on anyone complaining, acting like you KNOW it's for these frivolous reasons and whatever other junk you've come up with. You don't have a clue. Say what you want about the show and stop sniping.

You and dazoid81 have both taken the no-no step of turning the discussion from the show itself to taking potshots at other posters (be it individual or groups). Don't.

Rat Boy wrote:

Desmond should be what the primary focus of the survivors left on the beach should be, but judging by what info I've seen for the remainder of this year's episodes, it doesn't appear so.

The thing is, I seriously doubt Hurley and Charlie have compared notes on Desmond. So Hurley knows of one incident which weirded him out, but he might not have given it a lot more thought beyond that. Charlie is a bit freaked, but knowing Charlie, he'll probably get angry at Desmond because he figures that little lightning rod attracted the lightning towards the tent instead of actually drawing it away.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Charlie is a bit freaked, but knowing Charlie, he'll probably get angry at Desmond because he figures that little lightning rod attracted the lightning towards the tent instead of actually drawing it away.

Is this before or after he inevitably starts shooting up heroin yet again?

Legion, you started the taking potshots with your spoilers post. For responding in kind, I plead guilty.

I am definitely guilty of trying to point out that there is a segment of people in the Lost thread that turn every week into a debate about the worthiness of Lost, rather than about Lost. This started in season two, and it has never stopped. By now it would be nice if some of you guys realized you didn't like the show, and moved on.

But I will let go of the haterade name calling stuff, and just leave this alone. That was bad form, to be sure.

Jayhawker wrote:

Legion, you started the taking potshots with your spoilers post.

Which was a comment on the SHOW, not an attack on a person in any way. We can have differing opinions on the show - I can take a shot at it when it annoys me, and you can love it up when it pleases you - but once the opinions target the posters instead of the show, that's when we start heading in the wrong direction.

You said you're leaving it alone, and now I am as well. We now return to our regularly scheduled Lost thread.

Please don't pretend like I was trying to say that there can be NO complaints about the episodes. Thats insulting to everyone involved. All I'm saying is if people want to make the same overarching complaints about the series as a whole EVERY week, in what I assumed was an episodic discussion thread, that they could probably do so elsewhere. Criticism of the episode itself is fine by me. I've done it myself when I felt it was deserving. I've done it this season, and I did it last season. I'm not one who thinks the show is infallible. It just seems to me that I shouldn't have to KEEP reading "if this show doesn't fix XYZ next week I'm done with it" every week.

now back to the episode;
I don't remember seeing it mentioned, but was anyone else as amused as I was by Jack using the EXACT same tactics to play Juliette against Ben as Henry used to play Locke against Jack? It was obvious, but I was amused...

Also, I went back to pump up the audio. the second time Jack hears noise coming out of the intercom in last night's episode, it sounds like two men (Picket and Tom?) are arguing. One of them says "he knows what he's doing", and the other one says "those two shouldn't be here". it's something like that. Apparently though everyone follows orders, not everyone is happy w/Ben's leadership (or whoever's leaderhsip).

Apparently the Other's plans to rouse the locals of GwJ is going exactly as planned. You don't know it yet, but in a future episode, everyone here will be .. *** oops, I've said too much.

sheared wrote:

Apparently the Other's plans to rouse the locals of GwJ is going exactly as planned. You don't know it yet, but in a future episode, everyone here will be .. *** oops, I've said too much.

This man speaks the truth.

"Mom! Billy's being mean!"
"I am not!"
"You are, too!"
"Well, you started it!"
"Did not!"
"Did too!"
"MOM!"

I'm getting some complaints about this thread.

Hug it out!

I tried to read every post here, looking for answers to my questions, but surprisingly none of them were addressed. Here are some educated guesses, and questions, observations/conclusions I've made so far.

1. Polar bears are excellent swimmers and could have easily swam to the second (main) island.
2. How could they not have seen the second island? That was pretty weak. I thought they lived in that village in the middle of the main island, as the first episode this season pointed out. Anyway.
3. The scene where the guy beat the crap out of Sawyer, while repeatedly crying "DO YOU LOVE HIM!!!!", then stopping when Kate said yes. Ok, he's upset about his wife dying, but what does that have to do with this 'test of love?
4. It's no coincidence that Jack is a spinal surgeoun, and someone 'important' on the island needs spinal surgery. My vote would be that the guy with the eye patch is the one who needs surgery. The eye patch guy (great look for bad guys) was what they showed on the monitor for next weeks show. (I hit freeze frame on my Tivo)
5. Each of the men at the hatch upon explosion now has a special mind talent. Desmond can see the future, John Locke can talk to the island, and Echo's power has yet to be revealed. This means the guy with the patch is probably a really powerful ESP/Telekinesis leader....kinda like Dr. Grey in x-men.

If you remember the film they watched about the Dharma initiative, where they studied ESP, telekinesis. Side note: Magnets are touted by some to cure cancer.

Also, if you remember the comic book that Walt was reading had polar bears, and what looked like the city of Atlantis (underwater). So far we've seen the polar bears, and know Jack is being held in some underwater tank. So I'd bet there is a huge metropolis underwater with super powered dwellers.

I'll stop here.

WING wrote:

1. Polar bears are excellent swimmers and could have easily swam to the second (main) island.

Don't forget about those Dharma sharks swimming around out there.

Podunk wrote:
WING wrote:

1. Polar bears are excellent swimmers and could have easily swam to the second (main) island.

Don't forget about those Dharma sharks swimming around out there.

Haven't they now mentioned Dharma dophins now as well? The spin-off of Lost could be Flipper 2.

Screw Lost! I'm just gonna DVR this thread *munches popcorn*

Locke could "talk" to the island before. Remember when he dreamed abouta dead boone talking about his nanny and the nigerian plane? And then when in a dream where he was Mr Eko, he climbed that cliff that eko had to climb so that they could find the Pearl station? So that's not really a new phenomenon.

I'm more concerned with how the bears and shark(s) got out than how they ended up on the other island.

Podunk wrote:
WING wrote:

1. Polar bears are excellent swimmers and could have easily swam to the second (main) island.

Don't forget about those Dharma sharks swimming around out there.

Remember when the 'others' blew up the 'escape' boat and stole Walt from them? Well, Sawyer was shot (bleeding) yet they didn't encounter a single shark during their much longer swim to shore. If these Dharma sharks are so vicious, where were they then? Either this was a plot oversight, or there aren't any Dharma sharks and that they are only a fear tactic used to keep the 'Lost' off the 'Others' island....esp effective since they stole their only sailboat.

You're right Dazoid81, Locke could 'talk' to the island, but never with such clarity and vision. Maybe the magnetic explosion only enhanced talents each individual already possessed.

My one big problem with this show was when what's-his-name looked at Jack and said "we're not killers." If I'd have been Jack, I'd have listed off all the people that had gone missing from the mid and tail section, and said "prove it."

sheared wrote:

My one big problem with this show was when what's-his-name looked at Jack and said "we're not killers." If I'd have been Jack, I'd have listed off all the people that had gone missing from the mid and tail section, and said "prove it."

Yeah. Plus, we know that Goodwyn killed that one tail guy, and Ethan tried to kill Charlie. They're killers when they feel like it's necessary.

There was a dharma shark in the water when sawyer and michael were on what was left of the raft... It attacked the bottom of their raft, and michael shot it while sawyer swam to the pontoon.

In jacks defense, the only person that he knows the others killed was scott/steve. But since nobody could remember his name, I'm guessing he's probably been forgotten by now... Jack was never too concerned w/finding out what happened w/the tail section people, so it wouldn't shock me that he never bothered to say, "hey, so tell me about your last 48 days" he was busy dealing with shannon and her death and then immediately got in with henry right after. Though your right, he probably should have said something about the abduction, attempted hanging, attempted reabduction, and the time they had a gun on kate.

Someone noone has mentioned, that I saw anyways. The woman that Sawyer conned, could be conning Sawyer about the whole "baby" thing.

Rainsmercy wrote:

Someone noone has mentioned, that I saw anyways. The woman that Sawyer conned, could be conning Sawyer about the whole "baby" thing.

Yeah, in one of my earlier post I wrote that he had a baby (maybe). The woman was the one he taught to do the long con, while he was long con-ing her, so the baby could be a cylon.

Ok, sorry, missed that then, had just read through the entire thread....

Rainsmercy wrote:

Ok, sorry, missed that then, had just read through the entire thread....

No need to apologize, I only used the word maybe, didn't really expound on the idea.