NY Times says Wii: Nov 19th, $250.

*Legion* wrote:

A physics processor wouldn't have anything to do with interpreting an infrared signal into X/Y coordinates on the screen.

Certainly there's a bit more to the Wiimote than that, but most of it is in the controller itself.

I thought maybe the physics processor was being used somehow to realistically translate your movements into the system's engine. Does that even make sense?

The Joystiq article is specious and retarded because all things are never equal. The only thing that makes the buying decision in the console space at all interesting is the fact that each player has their own set of strengths and weaknesses with respect to the *games* available on the system. That's the only reason to buy the system. You don't buy the system because it has a great GPU that is being sold to you at beneath cost and is therefore cheaper than buying the same GPU on a PC. You buy the system because you want to play Obvlivion, or Mario Kart, or Disgaea 2.

Starting the discussion from "all things being equal" is moronic and drives the whole argument to a hardware value proposition, which is not interesting, because the hardware was never where the value was.

McChuck wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

A physics processor wouldn't have anything to do with interpreting an infrared signal into X/Y coordinates on the screen.

Certainly there's a bit more to the Wiimote than that, but most of it is in the controller itself.

I thought maybe the physics processor was being used somehow to realistically translate your movements into the system's engine. Does that even make sense?

A little bit, but not really since any processer could easily handle the calculations for the dual triangulations necessary keep track of the remote. The Revmote could have easily been a peripheral for the Gamecube, but peripherals are for the most part are a garunteed failure. Then you'd have to worry about whether a game can work with the remote, can't work with the remote, or requires a remote to be played. That stratification would be too much for the average consumer. Going with a new system bypasses that issue will generally be held as a legitimate strategy since everyone expects a new console anyhow.

I'm going to agree with Sunshine with the R&D side of the cost. I can't imagine someone dreamed up a cheap and accurate way to sense the remote in one try.

Anyone else interested in exactly how the remote works? I'm guessing there are no gyroscopes involved at all.

The WiiSports bundling summons up the feelings I had when a family member bought me Friday the 13th for Christmas: shame at owning such a crappy game, guilt for throwing it away, and the bitter feeling of missed opportunity.

Staats wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

Once again.. you miss the point.. the Joystiq article clearly states that "ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL" i.e. that all systems have fun games, awesome games, great graphics, sound. WHATEVER!!!!!!!!! then the rational consumer would purchase the console that gave him the most "bang per buck" (so to speak)

I think we get the point - we (or at least I) just think that boring hypotheticals (OK, so everything's exactly the same except for price - pay more, or pay less?) and discussions of console processing power vs. cost are, for lack of a better word, a bit silly. I, for one, appreciate PA calling them on it in a visible place.

Exactly. We all get the point. The point is just stupid, however. Fun is what matters. Not value. I don't buy a console based on the "deal" I'm getting. I buy it to play these things called video games. And if the system has fun games, then it's wroth my money.

It is like the analogy someone made earlier about cars.

Right now, there is a 2005 cadillac, leather seats, all the extras you could want, that was purchased new for 40k that has 30,000 miles on it at a local dealership. They are selling it for 16k and it has been sitting there for like 3 months. In this case, you would be getting a lot for your money. But...I don't want a big cadillac. No matter that I'd be getting basically 40k worth of parts for 15k. Whoever bought it new took a HUGE loss, just like sony and microsoft are taking losses on their machines. I still don't want the cadillac.

I'd rather buy the jetta that is only 3k less than when it was new because it is more fun to drive.

That could make me a stupid consumer, and not be logical, but if I want something, I'm willing to pay.

(Although, I will eventually own all 3 consoles

Staats wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

Once again.. you miss the point.. the Joystiq article clearly states that "ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL" i.e. that all systems have fun games, awesome games, great graphics, sound. WHATEVER!!!!!!!!! then the rational consumer would purchase the console that gave him the most "bang per buck" (so to speak)

I think we get the point - we (or at least I) just think that boring hypotheticals (OK, so everything's exactly the same except for price - pay more, or pay less?) and discussions of console processing power vs. cost are, for lack of a better word, a bit silly. I, for one, appreciate PA calling them on it in a visible place.

uh yeah right.. again.. nowhere did I mention the merit or lack of the article.. mearly that the article wasnt in any shape or form some sort of Nintendo bashing..

I'm glad you guys enjoy the $250 price point.. booya.. more power to you. like I said.. I'm buying one as well.. I just feel based on its guts.. it should be $100 cheaper.

Its cool that you guys wanna pay more

And that concludes a scintilating argument over why the Wii may or may not be overpriced by $100 because the delta between production cost and cost to purchase is higher than that of the PS3 and XBox 360.

TheGameguru wrote:

WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!

Can you throw in a 'MAJOR!! LOSER!!!!' and the letter-fingers too? THanks.

Danjo Olivaw wrote:

A little bit, but not really since any processer could easily handle the calculations for the dual triangulations necessary keep track of the remote.

I don't think the phrase "calculations for the dual triangulations" is used enough these days. Maybe it's different in your neighborhood.

1Dgaf wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!

Can you throw in a 'MAJOR!! LOSER!!!!' and the letter-fingers too? THanks.

LOL
GameGuru, we love ya but that's exactly what I thought after reading your reply

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TheGameguru wrote:

I'm glad you guys enjoy the $250 price point.. booya.. more power to you. like I said.. I'm buying one as well.. I just feel based on its guts.. it should be $100 cheaper.

Its cool that you guys wanna pay more

But you see Gamerguru, the Wii is like a fine steak dinner...

Seriously though, 7 pages of this and not one person made an analogy to Sony and their "the PS3 is too cheap!" comments?

For shame people. For shame!

I hope everyone got this out of their system, it's not going to happen again.