10,000 Days Missed: $6.74 shipped

I think I am going to pick it up at Target after work today. I am still reserving the right to not like it though.

I have been listening to it at work. I have to say that I initially like it more than I liked Lateralus the first few times through. Don't know if that is a good or bad thing. "The Pot" really features Maynard's vocals and a wicked bass riff, so it is easy to enjoy from the get go. I am also digging the title track. It has a really nice rolling flow to it.

So yeah, kick ass!

So far, I am seriously underwhelmed by it, and I hope it doesn't stay that way.

It was all over the office today. I listened to it all the way through while writing without once losing my stride or feeling the urge to turn it off, which is a pretty good litmus test for music (for me). It's good, in other words. Really good. I'd say it's closer to Aenima that Lateralus, but on the whole, very tight.

I may have more to say after I get my own copy, but for the moment, I can say that it's a "top three" Tool album.

It took me a few listens to warm up to it, but now I'm liking it a lot (I still don't like it as much as Lateralus mind). I do wish that I hadn't downloaded it when it was first leaked though, the packaging is just so great I think it would have been nice to go through the anticipation of getting the physical object, taking it home and putting it on.

I'm with Legion on this. I just don't get the same feeling for this as I did in the first song on Lateralus or Aenima. I havn't even listened to the whole thing yet, but I didn't have to listen to any other Tool cd all the way through to figure out how I felt about it. I am hoping I will grow to like it, but it does not seem to be turning out that way.

Demiurge wrote:

Danny Carey is the greatest drummer in music today. Not rock music, not metal, but ALL music.

Dude, you need to get out more. Not that Carey doesn't rock and everything...I'm just sayin'.

The new Tool reminds me a little too much of Lateralus, which I found to be horrendously dull. I like a few of the tracks very much, but I just don't find most of it to be all that interesting. I'll keep listening, though.

Podunk wrote:

[...]Lateralus, which I found to be horrendously dull.[...]

You're dead to me

I think one thing that's bothering me is that half of the compositions are really static and don't go anywhere. "Vicarious" and "Jambi" are especially at fault here. For a pair of 7 minute tracks, they sure end right about where they started. "The Pot" too, really. I look at tracks like "Lateralus" and even "The Grudge" on the last album, and those tracks go through a number of themes on their way to the end. But these first two tracks from the new album feel like complete standing still.

Now, the "10,000 Days" track? That's excellent. Though it too locks into one central theme and rides it to near the end, but this one starts soft and slow and builds on the repetition, not unlike a stereotypical post-rock track.

Certainly, the Lateralus album had a couple of cuts that exhibit the same sort of thing, like "Parabola". But much less so across the board. It seems like a return to the more straightforward compositions of Aenmia, though the rougher and harder edge has been polished away into a different style.

I really find the vocals interesting, in that they are much less central and up-front in the mix than before. I wonder how well the "mainstream" crowd will react as a result.

Anyone know if the legal CD will be riddled with copy protection crap? I wish to buy it but I won't if it's a hassle to mp3 it.

I never listened to Tool. Any metal, for that matter, since I, well, grew up. The worst I ever done since was Stabbing Westward.

Now, I feel intrigued and compelled by this thread now enough to consider buying a CD or two of them at BB on the way home. I listened to the variety of Tool's album samples on Amazon, but like all 30 sec samples they sure aren't representative of the complete work.

So please tell me: it is an entirely angry white proletarian with issues sort of music like Metallica and stuff, or hopefully it's bigger than that?

P.S. I am not judging the angry white proletarians here in any way. Simply asking.

Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:

So please tell me: it is an entirely angry white proletarian with issues sort of music like Metallica and stuff, or hopefully it's bigger than that?

There is a LOT of metal that aspires to a different attitude. What you describe occurs often in thrash metal and such, but there's a whole world of metal that's far broader than just the "angry white proletarians".

Common themes in Tool's lyrics tend to be: hating stupid people, people should think for themselves for a change, personal growth through pain, f'd up relationships (romantic or otherwise) and anal sex. Enjoy!

Mex wrote:

Anyone know if the legal CD will be riddled with copy protection crap? I wish to buy it but I won't if it's a hassle to mp3 it.

I had no problems copying the whole CD to mp3's.

I didn't have any problems burning a direct copy for my car either.

Thin_J wrote:

I didn't have any problems burning a direct copy for my car either.

You mean other than your car being rooted.

Tool. Metallica? No.
You've grown up but, you still play videogames...
ponderous, fekkin ponderous.

I'm really on the fence about this album. I downloaded the leaked version at least a week ago but just got around to listening to it yesterday, which should tell you something right there. I defintely don't hate it, but it sounds like a pared-down version of Lateralus (which I really loved.) Perhaps my musical tastes are just changing? I mean, I still really enjoy all of their previous albums, i'm just confused how this one really fits in. There are some pretty awesome tracks but the bulk of them feel like lateralus rip-offs. I should really give it some more listening, but i'm not quite sure when i'll fit that in.

I've always been a moderate tool fan. Love their singles, but don't have much of a taste for their really mellow, almost chanting songs. Listened to the entirety of 10,000 Days at a friend's house, and maybe I was just in the mood, but there was only one song, Wings for Marie I think, that bored me. The rest I loved. Vicarious and The Pot were the best, I think. But Tool is one of those bands that needs multiple listens. I'd like to listen to the whole thing with lyrics in front of me.

After some more listening I am really getting into the album. The 17 minutes of Wings Pt. 1 & 2 are just great. They so delicately build momentum to a very strong and enjoyable finish. The only problem I have with the album so far is Lost Keys. Just seems like a gratuitous and uninteresting intro to an already slow and winding track, Roseta Stoned. I could do without it.

I thought Lost Keys was very cool the first time I heard it. Then I realized that I'd have to listen to it every time, and it became less cool. I like Roseta Stoned, though.

What's with that final track?

Mills of the Serengeti wrote:

Tool. Metallica? No.
You've grown up but, you still play videogames...
ponderous, fekkin ponderous.

Actually, no. Last time I played a videgame was God of War two month ago.

So you play games, which some would call a kiddie medium, while simultaniously labeling other art forms in the exact same way? Or... have you "grown up," entirely in the past two months?

"Grown up," but still view entire musical genres as being for kids? While admitting to never having "listened to Tool. Any metal, for that matter, since I, well, grew up." Funny how, when you avoid something, your preconceptions about it remain unchallenged. All the metal you weren't listening to must have absolutely confirmed your beliefs, huh?

Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
Mills of the Serengeti wrote:

Tool. Metallica? No.
You've grown up but, you still play videogames...
ponderous, fekkin ponderous.

Actually, no. Last time I played a videgame was God of War two month ago.

Geez, no need to get defensive, I was only kidding.
No need to question other peoples taste in music in a thread about said music anyway. It's sort of like asking for a job as a bartender for AA meetings.

ponderous.. man..... fekkin ponderous.

Since the topic of metal is at hand - anyone have some other recent metal albums that they've enjoyed?

"Drone metal" has seemed to be a hot spot lately - Sunn O))), Boris, Earth, and Om have released some good stuff.

I also like the latest Opeth album, even if their style has barely changed a hair in 10 years.

Let's see, in my adolescent metal collection recently, I picked up some Static X, the new(est) Anthrax albums WCFYA and Greater of Two (John Bush 'in the zone' on those two,) and Type O's new DVD. Mostly for me metal these days is XM 48 Squizz, 41 Boneyard, and 42 Liquid Metal.

Paid the extra $3-$4 for 10,000 Days at the local independent music store today to help it survive.

*Legion* wrote:

"Drone metal" has seemed to be a hot spot lately - Sunn O))), Boris, Earth, and Om have released some good stuff.

In that sort of vein, the last two Cult of Luna albums are very much worth listening to.

The new Katatonia is also enjoyable, for some vaguely Tool-esque good times.

Mills, I just picked up WCFYA. I'd almost given up on John Bush 'thrax after the abomination that was Stomp 442. Holy crap though, that thing roxorz my boxers.

Podunk: I forgot to mention that Katatonia album - another one I've listened to lately.

That one was surprising for me, given the last album of theirs I listened to was Discouraged Ones, which sounded more like a mournful goth rock album (but more enjoyable than that description would indicate). Tool came to mind when listening to this new one, especially the opening track, and that caught me off guard, in a good way. It's nice to see that someone else made that connection too.

My last metal album before 10,000 Days was a pity purchase of a friend's band's demo record. Band name 'Mähdrescher', which says everything right there.

I like the new album. Not certain whether it'll become a classic on par with Lateralus and AEnima, but it positions itself firmly ahead of Opiate and Undertow. I feel their skill at expositioning has remained as strong as ever, but some of the climaxes feel a bit forced, and some of the lyrics don't flow as I'd usually expect.

I really enjoyed In Flames' latest album. Rob Zombie's new album isn't too bad either. Some catchy tunes. I'm a big fan of John 5 so I had to give it a listen. But besides Tool I've been listening to a ridiculous amount of Dream Theater lately, since I just finally saw them live about a month ago.

I decided to go up from top and I got Lateralus on the cheap yesterday (BB didn't have AEnima).

GODDAMIT I AM A CONVERT NOW. I can't get Grudge, Lateralis, Triad, EVERYTHING from my head now. This is spell-like, hypnotic, awesome.

Why haven't anyone told me about it before? I blame it on you, people of GWJ, with all the time and bandwidth wasted on pooper jokes when there're matters of such importance out there that are left uncommunicated.