Getting a new computer

Welp, for those of you who read my other thread, my laptop is f'ed. Both the mobo and the processor are fried. So, it's time for a new one.

I've decided that I don't really need a laptop, considering that I can get higher performance for a lower price, if I go with a desktop. I'm setting my budget at about 1200 dollars CDN, which is about 1050 USD, (ugh... it hurts to say that.) That 1050 would include a monitor.

Thngs it needs:
RAM (a gig would be nice.)
Wireless internet card card
DVD burner

That's about it. I'm not planning that this will be a gaming bohemoth, but if it can play WoW with all the settings turned up, I'll be very happy. Note: I do not have the time, expertise or patience to build my own, so don't even go there. There's a local place that builds computers to requested specs, that apparently has very good prices, so I'll be checking them out.

Anyone got reccomendations? I noticed this Dell that, with a couple of upgrades, makes a very decent $1200 CDN system, with a monitor. But I'm leery of Dell, for upgrade reasons. Again, any suggestions?

No more Dells.. unless your just doing it for business or general use.. the bloatware on a Dell these days is horrid.. their PC's are so slow out the box its painful.

Here is what you go for..

AMD X2 3800+ ($300)
Nforce 4 Motherboard PCIe ($90)
2GB of DDR Ram ($150)
Nvidia GeForce 7600GT 256mb ($200)
Viewsonic VA902b ($250)
Seagate 7200.8 250gb SATA HD ($95)
XP SP2 Home OEM License ($110)
Generic Antec Case with Powersupply ($75)

You can save a bit by dropping down the processor to an AMD 3200+ thats about $160 these days.. and you can spend a bit more by upping your Monitor to a Dell 2005FPW (20.1" Widescreen) for around $385 or so.

Thanks a lot, Guru. I'm ordering my PC tomorrow, and the build I have is a lot of what you have suggested. Same processor, mobo, gfx card, monitor, half the RAM (I'll upgrade later, if need be,) different case, and a bigger HD. My only reservation is that the LCD has a max resolution of 1280x1020, which is pretty low. I rarely turn my res up higher than that in games, since I'm used to having a behind-the-curve PC, but I like having higher res' for browsing. I like having a lot on the screen, at once.

But still, it's a minor compromise. Thanks for the suggestions, you helped make some of the decisions, for me.

TheGameguru wrote:

Here is what you go for..

AMD X2 3800+ ($300)
Nforce 4 Motherboard PCIe ($90)
2GB of DDR Ram ($150)
Nvidia GeForce 7600GT 256mb ($200)
Viewsonic VA902b ($250)
Seagate 7200.8 250gb SATA HD ($95)
XP SP2 Home OEM License ($110)
Generic Antec Case with Powersupply ($75)

You can save a bit by dropping down the processor to an AMD 3200+ thats about $160 these days.. and you can spend a bit more by upping your Monitor to a Dell 2005FPW (20.1" Widescreen) for around $385 or so.

I've seen alot of recomendations to take a intel pentium D 805 and overclock it because the processor cost about 150$ and using that extra 150$ to get a better video card like 7900 GT which is of very good value recently (7800GTX performance). in israel they usually try to save money because prices are higher (VAT of 16.5% and prices are alittle higher)

this is an example of it

1 INTEL Pentium D - 2.6 (805) DUAL CORE- 2X1MB Cache, 533Mhz-775PI
1 GIGABYTE GA-8I945PG (945P) - DDR2 - ATX
2 512MB Samsung DDR II - 667- Samsung Original
1 LEADTEK - PX7900GT TDH 256MB DDR3 MyVIVO - PCX - Retail
1 Seagate 160GB NCQ 8MB 7200RPM S-ATA II
1 NEC DVD-RW NEC ND 4550 x16 (BLACK) DUAL LAYER - BULK
1 SONY / MITSUMI 3.5 FLOPPY DISK DRIVE - 1.44 - BLACK
1 COMPUCASE CI-6a19 SUPER MIDI (black) TOWER CASE - no PSU
1 HEC - HEC-550W (WIN550) - ATX 2
1 Thermaltake Big Typhoon (16db) 4 in 1 heatpipe tech

in israel most budget are tight because it's more expensive this thing costs about 1300$

any thoughts about that guru? I'm itching to upgrade my machine and the number of options are really confusing and the conroe is coming out soon and acording to recent benchmarks it has better performance than an overclocked AMD FX dual core.

any thoughts about that guru? I'm itching to upgrade my machine and the number of options are really confusing and the conroe is coming out soon and acording to recent benchmarks it has better performance than an overclocked AMD FX dual core.

eh? I havent seen a single benchmark in a long time that favors anything Intel that wasnt either some sort of multimedia application or on the mobile platform (Intel is king there) As far as gaming goes AMD is king. I'd be wary of that particular processor also since it has only 1MB of cache for each core and typically in the current P4 dual core and single core architecture Intel heavily relies on its 2nd level cache for performance.

here is one of them from andatech
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...

they also have a followup
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...

acording to that it's about 20% faster than the fastest DUAL CORE processor which costs around 1000$ on the market. i'm not sure how much the conroe would cost but as far as i understoond from what i saw on wikipedia the E6700 (the processor they tested) is the 3rd fastest processor (out of 7) fastest running at 3.33GHz having 4MB L2 cache (e6700 at 2.67GHz and 2Mb L2).

anyways what i'm currently considering as upgrade is a asus 478 pciexpress (about 150$) board + 7900GT (about 380$) and some decent power supply (about 80$) hopfully it will all bring my PC upto speed cause i got a prescot 3.0GHz 1GB DDR400 with 9600XT 256MB on some ECS motherboard. and my wife isn't crazy about the idea a new PC may cost me about 1000$ more so I'm not sure if it's worth it.

sorry about the delay on this post (started it like 2 or 3 hours ago) busy today .

Niseg wrote:

here is one of them from andatech
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...

they also have a followup
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...

acording to that it's about 20% faster than the fastest DUAL CORE processor which costs around 1000$ on the market. i'm not sure how much the conroe would cost but as far as i understoond from what i saw on wikipedia the E6700 (the processor they tested) is the 3rd fastest processor (out of 7) fastest running at 3.33GHz having 4MB L2 cache (e6700 at 2.67GHz and 2Mb L2).

anyways what i'm currently considering as upgrade is a asus 478 pciexpress (about 150$) board + 7900GT (about 380$) and some decent power supply (about 80$) hopfully it will all bring my PC upto speed cause i got a prescot 3.0GHz 1GB DDR400 with 9600XT 256MB on some ECS motherboard. and my wife isn't crazy about the idea a new PC may cost me about 1000$ more so I'm not sure if it's worth it.

sorry about the delay on this post (started it like 2 or 3 hours ago) busy today .

Ahh.. I got confused.. I misread your post I thought you were talking about the current Pentium D's outperforming existing AMD dual cores.

Yeah Conroe has the potential to be exciting and certainly seems to be poised to put Intel back in the game.. but I'd wait for real released product and benchmarks from proven websites and not Intel based crap.

Either way its good for us to have Intel become competitive again.

Welp, got the bastard yesterday, and hooked it up. I'm liking it, so far. I'm still installing windows service packs, and video codecs, and all that crap, so I haven't had a chance to put it through its gaming paces, though I am excited about getting to play HL2 with a decent framerate. Just want to thank Guru for the monitor reccomendation. This thing is gorgeous.

One question: I've got the HD from my old laptop set up as an external HD, which is cool. But if I start the computer with the drive plugged in, windows wants to check it, before starting up. I figured this was a one-time deal, so I was fine with it, but it's doing it every time I restart (which is often, since I'm installing windows updates, and such.) I can abort the check by pressing any key, in a five second timelimit, but it's still annoying that I have to remember to do that, or waste a couple of minutes as it checks the drive yet again. Any suggestions?

Just want to thank Guru for the monitor reccomendation. This thing is gorgeous.

Ehem I have been pimpin this monitor for a couple of months now.

Its the one I bought with my system. I cant recommend it highly enough. Great picture quality, fast 8ns response time, 1280x1024 native resolution and its cheap! Plus Viewsonic makes quality product seeing as my old 17" viewsonic crt I replaced was 8-9 years old.

I will add that I can vouch for GG's recommendation as that is almost exactly the PC I built. I decided I wanted the 60nm presler pentium D and I went with an radeon x800 256mb graphics card.

The HD kicks ass.

I got the $95 Antec case+450w power supply. Its extremely quiet.

One thing I would add is a DVD/CDRW drive for $40.

Then thank you to you as well, sir. This does have a single broken pixel, can't display darker colors, instead showing up red. I know Viewsonic would replace it, but it's a tiny problem, and I don't notice it unless I actively look for it. Otherwise, it's great.

I just ordered a new computer myself last night. I decided to go with a desktop-replacement laptop. My question relates to networking:

On my current setup, I've got my wireless router running from the cable modem to my desktop. My wife uses her laptop on a wireless connection in the living room.

I'm hoping to sell my desktop. My new laptop is also wireless, so I'm hoping to use it in another room. Do I need to keep a computer plugged into the router at all times or can I unplug and still use the two laptops wireless?

You can unplug.

You can unplug, but you should keep a network cable just in case you need to reconfigure it.

Cool, thanks. I just wanted to make sure I could use my new laptop for its intended purpose - playing CIV IV on the couch in the living room. I just wanted to be sure I didn't have to be chained to my router.