Comics, etc.

Is anyone reading Avengers vs. X-Men? I see that and the New 52 every time I log into Comixology and I feel so left behind by the velocity of these series. I'm not sure if it's worth catching up or if they're just killing time. I'm not a big fan of comic "events" and AvsX feels like a fanboy dream. Still not sure what to make of the DC reset. All I know is that it had the opposite intended effect. Rather than get into these series I just walked away from those publishers.

If you don't like events, steer clear of AvX. It's pretty huge, and has ripples into just about every 616 book, if not outright hijacks.

That said, I rather like it as an event. X-Men titles have really been building to this since Decimation. The main title is easy to follow without delving into 30 other books, and the Infinite extras on Comixology are really cool. It takes the Phoenix mythos, if it can be called that, into an interesting place. I would say that if you want to follow any X or Avengers related title for the next couple of years, you pretty much have to read it. I'm sure it will go on sale once it completes in a month or two.

As I have said before, New 52 has left me almost entirely cold. I spent years catching up to the DCU, and I just don't think any of the rebooted titles have been worth the loss of continuity. I'm not following single title from DCU right now.

Sweet Tooth is amazingly great. I don't know how I managed to miss out on it for so long.

spider_j wrote:

If you don't like events, steer clear of AvX. It's pretty huge, and has ripples into just about every 616 book, if not outright hijacks.

That said, I rather like it as an event. X-Men titles have really been building to this since Decimation. The main title is easy to follow without delving into 30 other books, and the Infinite extras on Comixology are really cool. It takes the Phoenix mythos, if it can be called that, into an interesting place. I would say that if you want to follow any X or Avengers related title for the next couple of years, you pretty much have to read it. I'm sure it will go on sale once it completes in a month or two.

As I have said before, New 52 has left me almost entirely cold. I spent years catching up to the DCU, and I just don't think any of the rebooted titles have been worth the loss of continuity. I'm not following single title from DCU right now.

Sweet Tooth is amazingly great. I don't know how I managed to miss out on it for so long.

I am kind of enjoying AvX, I'm not actually buying it, I have a friend who is I just bum his issues every few weeks. But I think it is probably the most exciting event since Civil War. I really didn't like any of the events between Civil War and Fear Itself, with Fear Itself hitting a new level of crappy.

I also really like the New 52, I had also spent about 3 years catching up on DC stuff, reading hundreds of books. I like that they sort of started at a new fresh place. I don't care that maybe Hal Jordan is a bit different now, because what I want is good stories and I am getting absolutely amazing Green Lantern and Batman family stories which is all I want. There are certainly some clunkers in the bunch (as is to be expected) but I think that on the whole the new books are better than the old.

spider_j wrote:

If you don't like events, steer clear of AvX. It's pretty huge, and has ripples into just about every 616 book, if not outright hijacks.

That said, I rather like it as an event. X-Men titles have really been building to this since Decimation. The main title is easy to follow without delving into 30 other books, and the Infinite extras on Comixology are really cool. It takes the Phoenix mythos, if it can be called that, into an interesting place. I would say that if you want to follow any X or Avengers related title for the next couple of years, you pretty much have to read it. I'm sure it will go on sale once it completes in a month or two.

I was actually just looking at picking up the trades this morning and found this. It seems like a really good deal - $45 for the entire core series (13 issues) plus the 6 Vs. issues, and some extra material. Plus you get a digital copy free!

It's a bit much for my wallet right now, what with PAX coming up next week, and Dishonored, Halo 4 and Assassin's Creed 3 all in the next few months, but I think I might just pick this up.

That is a good deal. If I didn't already have 9 issues from Comixology, I would be all over that. There are 12 in the core series, by the way.

It's counting #0-12, for 13 total issues. Not sure how much is in that #0, though, whether it should count as a full issue.

So it does. Thanks for that, I failed to notice the existence of issue 0. Downloading it now.

Comixology has issues of Invincible on sale for $.99 up through issue #90.

And trades for $6 (or $1 an issue).

The first 2 omnibuses are 30 issues each and $25 each.

So apparently Wonder Woman is now Superman's new leading lady and apparently, sidekick. And this is going to be canon, I've read. Source

trueheart78 wrote:

So apparently Wonder Woman is now Superman's new leading lady and apparently, sidekick. And this is going to be canon, I've read. Source

omg

If WW is really relegated to sidekick status, I can only imagine the wrath this will stir up among the feminists.

Speaking of major house comics, I recently stumbled onto Marvel Universe vs Wolverine, which I quite enjoyed. Apparently, it's a prequel to a book I had not seen, Marvel Universe vs the Punisher. Marvel Universe vs the Avengers is apparently upcoming.

It's kind of similar to Marvel Zombies, in that there's a plague that is turning people into semi-crazy (but still coherent) cannibals. However, it's not played for laughs in the least. It's kind of a book about an apocalypse.

It's not awesome, but it's got two things going for it that really work for me in my old and somewhat weary of super-heroes age: it's not your typical Marvel story, and it's nicely self-contained. Unlike the G** D**M crossovers, you can get in and out in four issues. They are decently priced on Comixology at 1.99 an issue, or buying the digital collected edition saves you a buck.

oilypenguin wrote:

Comixology has issues of Invincible on sale for $.99 up through issue #90.

And trades for $6 (or $1 an issue).

The first 2 omnibuses are 30 issues each and $25 each.

MONEY WELL SPENT! Anyone who hasn't already read Invincible, just spring for the full monte right now. Get caught up in time for issue 100!

Citizen86 wrote:
trueheart78 wrote:

So apparently Wonder Woman is now Superman's new leading lady and apparently, sidekick. And this is going to be canon, I've read. Source

omg

Well, "canon" until they reboot everything again.

So, like for a year, I suppose.

edosan wrote:

Well, "canon" until they reboot everything again.

So, like for a year, I suppose.

Not true! They rebooted Detective Comics and Action comics after issues a billion! This was game changing!

oilypenguin wrote:

Comixology has issues of Invincible on sale for $.99 up through issue #90.

And trades for $6 (or $1 an issue).

The first 2 omnibuses are 30 issues each and $25 each.

I'm not seeing this. I think I got the email, but I guess it's over already? drat

Citizen86 wrote:
oilypenguin wrote:

Comixology has issues of Invincible on sale for $.99 up through issue #90.

And trades for $6 (or $1 an issue).

The first 2 omnibuses are 30 issues each and $25 each.

I'm not seeing this. I think I got the email, but I guess it's over already? drat

I just looked and didn't see it either. What I did see is a 3-day sale on Kevin Smith comics, including his 2 Batman series, Cacophony and Widening Gyre. Man, do I wish he would finish that one!

Citizen86 wrote:
trueheart78 wrote:

So apparently Wonder Woman is now Superman's new leading lady and apparently, sidekick. And this is going to be canon, I've read. Source

omg

DC is ridiculous. This further cements my 180 degree turn into Marvel and my further exploration of titles not from the big 2. I think the reboot is dumb. I think this is dumb. I'm more annoyed, though, because it seems artistically vacant and crass.

The WW/Superman pairing isn't anything new. It's been played with for a long time that they had a thing going on based on her ability to understand his life better than a mortal. There was a really good treatment of this in Kingdom Come.

I think it is just fine, as DS mentions it is a story that has been done before. And it doesn't sound like she is going to be a sidekick more of a partner/sex buddy.

I guess I just don't understand why anybody would have such negative reactions to a story that has been done before....

My chief negative reaction to it is that Wonder Woman isn't really the kind of character that can stand up to Superman. She's a caricature, more than Superman is himself. A more fully realized and nuanced character would be preferable.

More of a caricature than Superman? I'm not arguing, I know FA about WW, but man...Superman is the least interesting, nuanced superhero there is. As the original, he pre-dates the early Marvel creators making their heroes flawed and interesting.

Meh. We'll see.

I will say that I read the first 12 issues of the New 52 WW and enjoyed it quite a bit.

I've never been a WW fan, but the relaunch has made it one of the better DC books I've been reading. It started really strong.

On the AvX question: I've really enjoyed it, though I also don't have event burnout. Other than the first issue of Fear Itself (which I though was horrible so I avoided the rest of it) I haven't read an event since 1995 or so.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Speaking of major house comics, I recently stumbled onto Marvel Universe vs Wolverine, which I quite enjoyed. Apparently, it's a prequel to a book I had not seen, Marvel Universe vs the Punisher. Marvel Universe vs the Avengers is apparently upcoming.

It's kind of similar to Marvel Zombies, in that there's a plague that is turning people into semi-crazy (but still coherent) cannibals. However, it's not played for laughs in the least. It's kind of a book about an apocalypse.

It's not awesome, but it's got two things going for it that really work for me in my old and somewhat weary of super-heroes age: it's not your typical Marvel story, and it's nicely self-contained. Unlike the G** D**M crossovers, you can get in and out in four issues. They are decently priced on Comixology at 1.99 an issue, or buying the digital collected edition saves you a buck.

As an update, I have now read Marvel Universe vs The Punisher. I would definitely read them in chronological order, which is to say, the Wolverine prequel first. I enjoyed the Wolverine prequel more, as well. However, the Amazon reviews have the opposite opinion.

In MUvTP, the Punisher spends way, waaaaaaaay too much time narrating and catching the reader up on what has happened. I would estimate that maybe a third of the panels have dialogue vs narration, at best. MUvW had narration, too, but felt much, much more "in the now". It's not surprising to learn that the writer is a novelist, and apparently more familiar with that format. Perhaps he's gotten more used to the comic format over time.

peedmyself wrote:

I've never been a WW fan, but the relaunch has made it one of the better DC books I've been reading. It started really strong.

On the AvX question: I've really enjoyed it, though I also don't have event burnout. Other than the first issue of Fear Itself (which I though was horrible so I avoided the rest of it) I haven't read an event since 1995 or so.

If you like Marvel, I think Civil War is easily their best crossover in a long time. And it's one of the ones where all you *really* need is the titular miniseries. You can read tie-ins optionally. A close second would be Avengers Disassembled, and then a more controversial choice, Secret Invasion.

I'm not really sure where to rank Fear Itself. I think it had a little good stuff, and a whole lot of fluff. I did not appreciate Marvel's decision to spread the core story around more. If you're going to eff us with these crossovers, you don't have to give us the entire shaft and then break it off, too.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
peedmyself wrote:

I've never been a WW fan, but the relaunch has made it one of the better DC books I've been reading. It started really strong.

On the AvX question: I've really enjoyed it, though I also don't have event burnout. Other than the first issue of Fear Itself (which I though was horrible so I avoided the rest of it) I haven't read an event since 1995 or so.

If you like Marvel, I think Civil War is easily their best crossover in a long time. And it's one of the ones where all you *really* need is the titular miniseries. You can read tie-ins optionally. A close second would be Avengers Disassembled, and then a more controversial choice, Secret Invasion.

I'm not really sure where to rank Fear Itself. I think it had a little good stuff, and a whole lot of fluff. I did not appreciate Marvel's decision to spread the core story around more. If you're going to eff us with these crossovers, you don't have to give us the entire shaft and then break it off, too.

Agreed on the ranking there.

Also, if you just want an awesome crossover try Annihilation. It is Marvel Cosmic but I would say it is their best event EVER. I am a huge fan of Marvel cosmic, so I am admittedly a bit biased (I AM GROOT!).

I want to read it badly, but I feel like I have to read a lifetime of Marvel cosmic stuff first, going back at least as far as Infinity Gauntlet, which came out in my early Marvel days, but I didn't read it. I may have skipped it because my brother was into it, which I secretly thought was pretty cool for a younger brother.

I need to read that stuff anyway, because I am a big Starlin fan, and read Dreadstar for years (need to read that all the way through, as well).

Speaking of cosmic, I'm enjoying DnA's Hypernaturals for BOOM.

I just re-read annihilation about a month ago. You don't need to re-read 20+ years of history to understand it so feel free to go in fresh. I would recommend reading Nova (the latest volume) after annihilation, though.

Thanks, I'll add those to the to-read list. I've heard a bit about Civil War, but that's it. I haven't read any cosmic since Infinity War/Gauntlet, so it's nice that they made Annihilation accessible. On another cosmic note, I've heard Quasar was amazing, but I read the first one and it was as average as I thought it would be when it came out.

I always thought the best Marvel "event" was "House of M".

DSGamer wrote:

I always thought the best Marvel "event" was "House of M".

I like it, as I tend to like What If?, Elseworlds, and other alternate reality scenarios, but it doesn't make my top three.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
peedmyself wrote:

I've never been a WW fan, but the relaunch has made it one of the better DC books I've been reading. It started really strong.

On the AvX question: I've really enjoyed it, though I also don't have event burnout. Other than the first issue of Fear Itself (which I though was horrible so I avoided the rest of it) I haven't read an event since 1995 or so.

If you like Marvel, I think Civil War is easily their best crossover in a long time. And it's one of the ones where all you *really* need is the titular miniseries. You can read tie-ins optionally. A close second would be Avengers Disassembled, and then a more controversial choice, Secret Invasion.

I'm not really sure where to rank Fear Itself. I think it had a little good stuff, and a whole lot of fluff. I did not appreciate Marvel's decision to spread the core story around more. If you're going to eff us with these crossovers, you don't have to give us the entire shaft and then break it off, too.

I'm going to have have to disagree on Fear Itself. I think it's easily one of Marvel's worst "event" books in the last 15 years. The story never takes off. What happens to the possessed heroes is trite. The big bad isn't that big or that bad. I like what Fraction has done on some of the books he's worked on, but I don't think he's quite right for crossover events with lots and lots of characters. This led into Fraction's run on Thor, which I feel doesn't click either. Maybe he should stay away from the whole Asgard scene.

It says a lot when one of the big story points that should reverberate through the series was completely forgotten by me by the time the next issue comes out.

Spoiler:

When Sin "kills" Bucky Cap.

If you want some good Fraction, go read Invincible Iron Man from the beginning. The recent Mandarin story is dragging, so it's not a great time to jump on with the current issue.

The recent issues of Wolverine (return of Sabretooth) have been pretty good. Too many folks with claws, but the story has some interesting points (if it becomes canon, and not some retconned out story in the future). It's also got some great art by Simone Bianchi.