Comics, etc.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

As a longtime Marvel fan, I hated the Ultimate line, and still do. I did try The Ultimates because it was supposed to be great, but I didn't like it. I eventually tried Ultimate Spider-Man because I love Bendis and Spidey, but it didn't really work for me. I was re-reading modernized versions of classic Spidey stories I've read several times before.

And Mark Millar should not be asked to write serious, non-parody superhero stuff, ever. He can only do satire and deconstruction. Wanted (not the movie) was fantastic. His straight super stuff is about like Ennis's. And really, except for Wanted, I think Millar is a poor Man's Ennis.

Millar is Garth Ennis with the moral core replaced by racism, homophobia and misogyny. Which is a pity, because he's not untalented -- or at least very good at getting out of the way of his artists so that they can wow.

Unlike you I can stomach Millar much better when he's working on corporate stuff where he has to keep it in check and only let it bubble to the surface sometimes -- turning the Hulk into something fueled entirely by Banners emasculation and making Betty turned out by the body count of his penis-angst fueled rampage is just ugh -- but on his creator owned stuff his puerile impulses are slathered all over the pages.

Wanted made me want to beat him with a copy of the trade until he promised to never do it again.

spider_j wrote:
oilypenguin wrote:

AvX is boring me. Like... a lot. Your spoilered bit was by far the best part of the series so far.

Stuff just seems to happen, I don't understand a lot of the motivations here and worse, I don't care. I'm just playing along until we find out what the new marvel status quo is.

But it leads to Hickman doing at least 2 Avengers titles, so AvX might be a win. Also it leads to a Marvel U where Spider-man gets to hang out with Rocket Raccoon. There is nothing at all wrong with that.

So long as Journey Into Mystery continues or, if not, Gillen is put on more than 2 books, I'm game. Bring on the changes.

Amen to the Gillen love.

I dug into Journey into Mystery after the Avengers movie left me hankering for more Loki shenanigans, and it's really great. You can tell Gillen is having a lot of fun playing with the mythic elements.

ccesarano wrote:

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I think I'm gonna have to start using Comixology.

Eh, it's no Automata, but I always try to support PA.

ALG - I agree that there's some sh*t in Wanted, and it does disturb me somewhat, but it was so original and creative that I looked past it. That, and the explicit premise that these are the most evil people in the world.

What's the best thing coming out of Marvel at the moment, preferably with a couple of trades under it's belt?

From the Marvel U, it's been Bendis on New Avengers and then various Avengers titles for me. Secret Warriors, but it's over.

From Marvel Icon, Criminal and Incognito.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

From the Marvel U, it's been Bendis on New Avengers and then various Avengers titles for me. Secret Warriors, but it's over.

From Marvel Icon, Criminal and Incognito.

Eh, personally I'm not a huge fan of Bendis.

Secret Warriors if it wasn't over for sure.

Due to my switch to digital (and my purchase of a Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited subscription) I'm not actually reading any current Marvel series. So I guess this is a very negative and unhelpful post.

I haven't been able to read anything Marvel since Fear Itself, to be honest. Serious crossover fatigue. The idea of needing a guide to figure out what I need to read besides the few series I'm really into is mentally exhausting.

Contrast that to something like Locke & Key or Chew, which are far better than the average Marvel comic and not at all headache-inducing. But the man asked for what he asked.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

I haven't been able to read anything Marvel since Fear Itself, to be honest. Serious crossover fatigue. The idea of needing a guide to figure out what I need to read besides the few series I'm really into is mentally exhausting.

Contrast that to something like Locke & Key or Chew, which are far better than the average Marvel comic and not at all headache-inducing. But the man asked for what he asked. ;)

Couldn't agree more, over the last 6 months I don't think I have read more than a few Marvel issues that were written in the last 5 years. I was hardcore Marvel from about Civil War until the beginning of Fear Itself and they just lost me, and nothing has really made me want to come back in any big way. So I satiate my desire for my Marvel heroes through the Marvel DCU back issue catalog.

Some of the things I have recently read that I thought were fantastic:
Thor by Simonson Omnibus: I consider it in my top 3
BPRD: Everything up to and including Hell on Earth: Russia
A LOT of Star Wars comics: about 140 of them, got them in a bundle for $100 from Dark Horse.
Hellboy: Almost everything, I think I am missing a few collections here and there.

I always rankle whenever people diss superhero comics and brag about only reading indies, but as time goes by, I read less and less superhero stuff and more and more indie books.

I can easily say I'd read more Marvel if it was possible to just enjoy a run like Bendis on Avengers or Peter David on X-Factor without it getting totally disrupted by crossovers and tie-ins.

I read Secret Warriors a while back. I only really read Amazing Spider-Man from Marvel one, more because I always have than any other reason.

I kinda lost track of the Avengers after Fear Itself, and I think my run is complete since Busiek came on board up to that point. I'm not even sure what the current titles are! Prior to Fear, I read Secret, New, Mighty and Academy.

I gave up on DC almost entirely after the New 52 kicked in. I had read a fair amount of Batman, then got sucked into Green Lantern and the various Crises. I started reading a lot of other DC titles, catching up on years worth of continuity for several titles, and then they rebooted the mother. I just couldn't be bothered to start again. I am about up to date on Swamp Thing, and intend to read Animal Man because they seem to compliment each other, but nothing else.

I read a lot of indy stuff as well; pretty much anything that catches my eye or gets a recommendation in this thread, but I like superheroes too.

For some reason, I can't get into Hellboy and BPRD. I've tried several times, but it just doesn't click with me.

spider_j wrote:

For some reason, I can't get into Hellboy and BPRD. I've tried several times, but it just doesn't click with me.

I agree with you about Hellboy. I have some of the series, but I find it badly plotted and written, though usually the premise of each story is great. However, I've discovered that some of the BPRD stories are really quite good, even though they were written but not drawn by Mignola.

Me<-- Nonplussed by Lookouts but I really liked Next Wave: Agents of H.A.T.E. which is on sale now (I think) via Comixology.

So a month ago I suggested a graphic novel trade between GWJ-ers in this thread so we could off-load titles we weren't crazy about for others that caught our interest. Here's my current list of expendable titles, with writer, artist, and condition. I'd much rather trade than sell, but we can do a sale if need be. PM or post here.

Condition key: Like New (read once or twice, but you could still give as a gift), Good (obvious it's been read a half dozen times), Acceptable (remaindered, stickered, or cover-creased in some way).

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Black Dossier [hardback] Moore/O'Neill Like New
The Twelve Straczynski/Weston Like New
Astonishing X-Men: Dangerous Whedon/Cassaday Good
Astonishing X-Men: Unstoppable Whedon/Cassaday Good
Spider-Man (Ultimate Collection) Millar/Dodson [barely] Acceptable
Moon Knight Bendis/Maleev Like New
Green Lantern: The Sinestro Corps War Johns/Gibbons Good
100 Bullets: First Shot, Last Call Azzarello/Risso Good
100 Bullets: Decayed Azzarello/Risso Good
Wolverine: Logan Vaughan/Risso Good
Gotham City Sirens: Division Calloway/Guinaldo Like New
Avengers 1959 Chaykin Like New
The Dark Knight Strikes Again #2 Miller/Varley Good
Civil War Millar/McNiven Acceptable
Red Hoeber et al [barely] Acceptable
Titans: Family Reunion Wallace/Fiorentino Good
Golden City #1-3 [hardback, IN FRENCH] Pecqueur/Malfin Good sample: http://lambiek.net/artists/m/malfin_...

Thanks for looking! Hope this works out.

Dibs on that Moon Knight, assuming I have something you want.

I won't have time to take stock and post mine until the weekend, though.

I would like to call dibs on both of the Astonishing X-Men comics. My comic collection isn't extensive, as I have more manga than graphic novels.

I'm looking to finally get into Gotham Central, but no library or store in the country stocks the first volume... Until now. There's one online shop that has it, but they also have the deluxe edition. Does anybody know what the actual differences are? The price difference isn't huge, it's just that I wanted to make sure that the deluxe edition doesn't make it worse, a la Year One.

Also, as someone who read Grant Morrison's Batman RIP into Batman and Robin, but not much of Snyder's work, will Batman: The Black Mirror make sense to me?

Thanks.

Be careful with Gotham Central - they have collected it twice. The newer collection is better $/issue.

I would expect Amazon has all the newer trades, but haven't looked lately.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Be careful with Gotham Central - they have collected it twice. The newer collection is better $/issue.

I would expect Amazon has all the newer trades, but haven't looked lately.

I live far enough away from the US/ UK that ordering trades from Amazon isn't hugely financially viable (the Au store isn't amazing). I think the 'deluxe' series is the newer one, as there are only four collections, whereas the normal set has five.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Dibs on that Moon Knight, assuming I have something you want.

I won't have time to take stock and post mine until the weekend, though.

Dominic Knight wrote:

I would like to call dibs on both of the Astonishing X-Men comics. My comic collection isn't extensive, as I have more manga than graphic novels.

I can also be placated with books, FYI.

Anyone else doing a midnight run for The Walking Dead #100 tonight? One of my local stores is opening at 10 to sell it at midnight.

Natus wrote:

So a month ago I suggested a graphic novel trade between GWJ-ers in this thread so we could off-load titles we weren't crazy about for others that caught our interest.

Thanks for getting that started. I need to put some stuff up tonight maybe.

Atras wrote:

Anyone else doing a midnight run for The Walking Dead #100 tonight? One of my local stores is opening at 10 to sell it at midnight.

I'm so behind. I have to be in the right mood to be TWD-depressed.

Caught up on a little Invincible yesterday, but not fully. I took a break to read Guarding The Globe because of certain events, which turned out to have been unnecessary.

Walking Dead sale on Comixology, 1/2 off.

ccesarano wrote:

The fact that no one has mentioned the return of Peter Parker yet is a good thing to me, as I like the idea of them killing a character and sticking with it.

I've been outta of it for awhile now, but peter parker is dead? Or is this just in ultimate books? (im not a fan at all of the ultimate titles)

It's just in the Ultimate series, where the only ones I'm enjoying are Spider-Man and Fantastic Four. I'd like to reiterate that I jumped into Ultimate for the express purpose of not having to catch up to decades of comics history.

Everything else I've read has just been terrible.

Some of the best writers are on the original books, though. I wouldn't want to have missed Bendis's fantastic run on New Avengers, and I'm looking forward to checking out Hickman on FF. Lots of people love Brubaker on Cap. And they are so sensitive to making the books accessible to new readers that they are now providing explicit jumping on points in the form of .1 issues, to say nothing of constant retellings of origin stories.

Stan Lee famously said that every issue is someone's first.

And besides, now the Ultimate stuff has been around for what, over a decade? Their whole reason for being has disappeared, to my thinking.

But, if you like 'em, read 'em!

One decade is still less than fifty or sixty or so.

ccesarano wrote:

One decade is still less than fifty or sixty or so. :P

Are you telling me Spider-Man's been around since the 1500's?!?! Man, I've got a lot of catching up to do!

Yes. He was there when the Predators first attacked the Earth.

I bought 3 volumes of Fraction's Casanova today. Please tell me that this is a good purchase, since I really couldn't afford it! I can take them back if I don't remove the shrinkwrap.