Does ANYONE like The Wheel of Time anymore?

Kinda feel like you'd be better off developing a brand new property, or a less expensive one at least. A lot of what make The Wheel of Time appealing hasn't aged very well, and I think some of the weirder parts (Rand's harem) look even weirder with a few decades behind them.

I'm hopeful that several of the later books will be combined to make up a single season.

Yeah, they could write a solid five or six season arc with the material.

Just as long as they give each episode and season a clear arc, with a finite number of seasons and a story that is planned out. I would *dread* something "set in the world of" that's indefinite and drags on while popular, then gets canceled or tries to change pace when the audience falls off. This should definitely have a Babylon 5 style story arc that finishes when it's done.

I suspect they could do an hour per book and not rush the story. Done in one season. Yay!

There is no book 10. There is no book 10. There is no book 10. There is no book 10.

Spoiler:

There is no book 10.

I credit Wheel of Time as managing to utterly kill any interest I have in breeze-block type fantasy novel franchises. Would be a shame if it did the same for TV fantasy too *tugs braid*

The unreal-engine powered shooter with the folk-rock soundtrack was quite fun though.

No, because it is bad.

I went 1-9 maybe, then 1-5 or 6 before realising that the whole thing is kind of nancy pansty and not worth the time. Rather re-read the Obernewtyn Chronicles instead.

Farscry wrote:

I've actually been reading this series for the first time off and on for the past year. I'm on book 8 now; sometimes it drags and gets overly repetitive (seriously, men and women should not find each other so baffling for so long, and character traits should be more diverse than just pulling on your damn braid) but overall I'm mostly enjoying it.

Good news! It's about to totally go off rails after book 9. And then you'll understand all the complaints of GRRM going Jordan.

Right now you have an inkling, but it gets really bad in 9 and especially 10.

It's a shame too because the first 5 or 6 books were really good (at the time). Then he started focusing on minor tertiary characters for chapters at a time.

I can already see signs of the going off the rails, but it's not very bad yet. I'm curious to witness how this derails over the next couple books to the point that so many have complained about.

If/when I ever get to reading book 11, I take comfort in knowing I won't have to re-read book 10, since nothing happened in it.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

If/when I ever get to reading book 11, I take comfort in knowing I won't have to re-read book 10, since nothing happened in it.

I threw it away years ago. I've never been so upset after reading a fantasy book. The plot advances can be edited down to two, maybe three sentences. Farscry gets to witness the train wreck with some warning. I was unaware of the deep disappointment to come. Sanderson saved it all and brought the series to a satisfying conclusion (thankfully), but THAT book was the nadir.

It's difficult to speak about a dead man's work this way, especially when it started out so enjoyable. There may have been real reasons why it turned out how it did that few people know about. However, it was bad, and RJ's declining health lent the years afterward a bitter taste to the whole thing.

Did he kill my grandmother? No. Comparatively he did nothing to hurt my real life. He could work in whatever way he wanted. He did disappoint a fan though. Deeply. *shrug*

I only got through books 9 and 10 by listening to the audio versions on 2x speed. Seriously.

LouZiffer wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:

If/when I ever get to reading book 11, I take comfort in knowing I won't have to re-read book 10, since nothing happened in it.

I threw it away years ago. I've never been so upset after reading a fantasy book. The plot advances can be edited down to two, maybe three sentences. Farscry gets to witness the train wreck with some warning. I was unaware of the deep disappointment to come. Sanderson saved it all and brought the series to a satisfying conclusion (thankfully), but THAT book was the nadir.

It's difficult to speak about a dead man's work this way, especially when it started out so enjoyable. There may have been real reasons why it turned out how it did that few people know about. However, it was bad, and RJ's declining health lent the years afterward a bitter taste to the whole thing.

Did he kill my grandmother? No. Comparatively he did nothing to hurt my real life. He could work in whatever way he wanted. He did disappoint a fan though. Deeply. *shrug*

I got to the end of book 3. At that point there had been maybe MAYBE half a book's worth of actual plot in the space of Lord of the Rings. That was when I gave up.

I'm currently reading Fires of Heaven and enjoying it, but I feel like it's been getting too bogged down in all the Aiel stuff (with no end in sight) and so it's a bit slow going for me at the moment.

I love the characterizations though, unrealistic as they may be at times, and yes, the "Rand harem" thing is quite ridiculous, but I guess I'm taking something of a fun approach to the books, not trying to take them too seriously. (In *this* world, this *is* how people behave and think.) I'm not really expecting "a plot" per se because we're basically told the main plot from the beginning and so it's all the sub-plots and character interactions that most interest me. If anything different than expected happens at the end of all of it, well then I'll just be surprised.

I couldn't get past the first book. He just went in super detail about this city that went on and on and on and on. Every crack was amazing. Every window had to be described with a thousand words. Might have been in a mood. I might try picking it up again.

I actually enjoyed the three books Sanderson finished, but the end was a bit disappointing. Lost points for not including a foursome with Rand, Nynaeve, Elayne, and Aviendha.

p.s. How did you guys find this ancient post to necro it back to life? Is there a search function I'm not aware of?

Narcosom wrote:

p.s. How did you guys find this ancient post to necro it back to life? Is there a search function I'm not aware of?

under MORE at the top of the page, hover over it and then the search box is on the right.

We really need that Search function up on the main header instead of buried...

MrDeVil909 wrote:

I threw it away years ago. I've never been so upset after reading a fantasy book.

Thomas Covenant.

Robear wrote:

We really need that Search function up on the main header instead of buried...

MrDeVil909 wrote:

I threw it away years ago. I've never been so upset after reading a fantasy book.

Thomas Covenant.

Lou said that, not DeVil, but yes...Thomas Covenant, AKA:
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is much worse than:
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I never read the Covenant books, and have been very satisfied with that fact from what I've heard about them.

I read the first two Covenant trilogies and barely remember anything about them other than that they were somewhat of a chore to get through. I think I liked them just enough to keep going and hoping things would get better. They didn't. When I heard the author was writing a new (at that time) trilogy in the series, I didn't bother with it and moved on.

While Wheel of Time isn't always the most gripping story so far, I'm enjoying it a lot, but then I also really enjoy descriptive, unhurried prose. At least if I like the characters. WoT characters may often seem grumpy and annoyed to a serious braid-tugging extent, but at least they aren't generally whiny.

It does make me wonder if it's how Robert Jordan himself really viewed interactions between males and females though. It often seems that he inserts a few male, fetish fantasy-type things that make me think, "Yep, he's definitely a het male writer." Not sure that it's necessarily good or bad, but with other authors, it's not so noticeable to me.

bekkilyn wrote:

It does make me wonder if it's how Robert Jordan himself really viewed interactions between males and females though. It often seems that he inserts a few male, fetish fantasy-type things that make me think, "Yep, he's definitely a het male writer." Not sure that it's necessarily good or bad, but with other authors, it's not so noticeable to me.

Yeah, a lot of it reminds me of this*:
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*Not that his heroines were like Dickens's, but that they were the based on his personal preferences.

LouZiffer wrote:

It's difficult to speak about a dead man's work this way, especially when it started out so enjoyable. There may have been real reasons why it turned out how it did that few people know about. However, it was bad, and RJ's declining health lent the years afterward a bitter taste to the whole thing.

At the end of the day, I really don't care what the reasons were. Someone involved with the process should have looked at it and not published the book, because it was 750 pages of what amounted to a 20-30 page prologue's worth of events.

His wife was his editor throughout the whole series. I imagine towards the end she was more concerned with taking care of him and less about being a strict editor. Doesn't make that it was published any better, but it helps me understand how it got published.

Stengah wrote:

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I love how even the cover illustration for that book is lackluster and boring. Like the artist just couldn't dredge a single interesting idea out of the novel to illustrate.