NFL Week Three General Discussion Thread

Another question - Why oh why does Seattle try to get rid off Alexander every year? All the guy does is rack up touchdowns and 100 yard games. He does not act like TO and definitely deserves a large paycheck.

KC v. Denver: All day at work I was telling people that tonight will show whether the Chiefs are a real contender or just a paper tiger like they have been the past few years. It's a test of KC's strength: Can you go into Denver and play solid football, or play like intimidated sh*t. Well, we have our answer. The Chiefs still have no heart. Bringing back Gunther was painfuly stupid. I was high on Vermiel, but it'll be time for him to go at the end of this season.

Man, this is exactly how I feel Swampy. They looked just like the team last year. Hopeless run defense and no fire in the offense to keep the team in the game. A really disappointing performance. My hope for this season is dwindling.

Man, this is exactly how I feel Swampy. They looked just like the team last year. Hopeless run defense and no fire in the offense to keep the team in the game. A really disappointing performance. My hope for this season is dwindling.

It's one loss at a stadium they always lose in against a team that usually does unusually well at home on Monday nights. It would have been nice for them to overcome, but I don't blame them.

karmajay wrote:

Another question - Why oh why does Seattle try to get rid off Alexander every year?

Money. This offseason, they signed Hasselbeck and Walter Jones (quite possibly the best player in football) to long-term deals. Alexander just turned 29 and the kind of deal he wants might not make sense, when you wonder what he'll be able to do at age 34 or so.

One loss and you are packing up the bandwagon? What are you, a Bucs fan?

Well, heres my notes.

Pit vs NE vs Ind - hmmm - three excellent teams. One Division championship...more to come

Miami - I love Sabin, I'd bear his children if he wasn't married. Yeah, its three games into the season, but holy sh*t, at least at home, we have an offense. I love you man

Atlanta - I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Vick ever learns to toss a touch pass, he will be THE MAN! - that said, good win, and they seem to keep running for over 200 yards per game. I like the coach, the defense, and the Running backs. Super Bowl contender is Vick learns to throw the ball better, and the WR's develop.

NFC - lets be honest - I'm rooting for Atlanta to meet the Bucs in the Division Championship game, because other than the Eagles, all I think of the NFC is suck, suck and more sucking...

Other notes -
Oakland and Moss and Al Davis - hahh hahh
Always play your studs in fantasy football regardless of matchups...a stud is a stud...on the positive note, had a 3-0 fantasy weekend
NY Jets - buhh bye
Cincinnatti - start believing - maybe they are this years out of nowhere (not really though with that offense) team to fight for a title shot.
Indy - ummm...offense?
Legion - "Chad Johnson is better than Marvin Harrison fantasy wise" - yeah, right...ok, you're rights, so...bite me sigh

Certis wrote:
Man, this is exactly how I feel Swampy. They looked just like the team last year. Hopeless run defense and no fire in the offense to keep the team in the game. A really disappointing performance. My hope for this season is dwindling.

It's one loss at a stadium they always lose in against a team that usually does unusually well at home on Monday nights. It would have been nice for them to overcome, but I don't blame them.

No, you don't get Dutty and me. It's not the loss. It's the manner of the loss. They were punked out. They showed no heart, no spirit. We've seen it before. While I still have a fantasy that the D will "gel", I've seen this before. Carl Peterson did his part in the offseason (he could have done more though - God knows). Last night falls on the coaches. A SOLID football team may lose in Denver, but that won't be made to look like bitches. Last night was f*cking embarrasing.

Pigpen wrote:

Legion - "Chad Johnson is better than Marvin Harrison fantasy wise" - yeah, right...ok, you're rights, so...bite me sigh

LOL! That made my day, dude. I had a good laugh at that.

Don't bail on Marvin yet though (I know you won't, but still). I was trying to trade for Harrison in my main league this past week. Owners of Indy players (other than Edge) are kinda in panic mode a bit.

Last year, only two teams were able to slow down or stop the Indy offense - Jacksonville and New England. Jacksonville did it again in week 2, much better this time as their defense has gotten better (it's a top 5 defense now, betta recognize). And this past week, they played a Cleveland team coached by the D-coordinator who ran that New England defense, so he knew what to do as well (haven't watched the game replay yet, but I will in a day or two). Indy won't be playing against Jacksonville or New England or Romeo Crennel's new team every week. Just hang in there.

No, you don't get Dutty and me. It's not the loss. It's the manner of the loss. They were punked out. They showed no heart, no spirit. We've seen it before. While I still have a fantasy that the D will "gel", I've seen this before. Carl Peterson did his part in the offseason (he could have done more though - God knows). Last night falls on the coaches. A SOLID football team may lose in Denver, but that won't be made to look like bitches. Last night was f*cking embarrasing.

Word my brother.

And this past week, they played a Cleveland team coached by the D-coordinator who ran that New England defense, so he knew what to do as well (haven't watched the game replay yet, but I will in a day or two). Indy won't be playing against Jacksonville or New England or Romeo Crennel's new team every week.

That's a great point, and their next few games (until they play NE again) are real cupcakes. Trade for Harrison!

Int he latest attempt to duplicate a team crafted by Bill Parcells, The Jets today signed Vinnie Testaverte. So now they replace a 28 yr old quaterback who could not throw downfield, with a quarterback who is 41 and cannot throw downfield!

I smell a Curtis Martin injury coming, and a 5-11 season with the defence winning those 4 other games.

Well not only is Pennington out for the season, Jay Fiedler is out for 6-8 weeks. There aren't many options for the Jets at this point.

Testaverde will back up Brooks Bollinger.

I don't buy the positive buzz for Cincinnati.

I know they're 3-0, but why don't we look at who they've played so far, and who they're going to play?

If they make it to the playoffs I can't help but think it's some crazy fluke and not any real talent on their part. Years of disappointment in the franchise might be showing through here

*sigh*

I don't think I can bring myself to get my hopes up.

One thing you have to keep in mind about Cincy is that they closed out last season winning four of their last six - with the two losses both in competitive games against New England and Buffalo.

The performance of their offense shouldn't surprise anyone. Carson Palmer's now his that important year #3. Cincy has one of the deepest WR groups in the league. And Rudi Johnson established himself last year as a year-long ground pounder.

The big question is their defense. What killed them last year was an inability to stop the run. And so far, they haven't played anyone that runs the ball well - though Thomas Jones got up to 106 on them last week (although much of that yardage was in garbage time).

This team has the offensive talent to be a playoff team. They have some defensive talent, including some great new talent (Odell Thurman was an excellent use of a draft pick), but we'll see what they do when someone can really test their run defense. That might not come until they visit Jacksonville on Sunday Night two weeks from now (though maybe next week Houston can if Domanick Davis finally gets rolling)

Yeah, what Legion said. I see Cincy fighting for a spot on Wildcard Weekend this year. Next year, with a few breaks and some more maturity I think they may be ready for a move into the NFL's elite.

SwampYankee wrote:

No, you don't get Dutty and me. It's not the loss. It's the manner of the loss. They were punked out.

They played like Jared Allen's team at Joshua Burns Preschool.

OK, so I watched the Eagles/Raiders replay.

* Kearse was a non-factor in the game, save for his offside penalty. Robert Gallery handled him pretty well.

* Interesting note about the DE position: when the Eagles started a defensive series, they often had DEs Juqua Thomas and Trent Cole on the field. The Kearse / Kalu pairing would come on the field later, particularly on 3rd down. These pairs of guys always seemed to be on the field together, no real mixing & matching that I saw. Thomas was probably the most impressive of the group, even though he wasn't really a big factor in the game either. But he pass rushed Gallery a bit better than Kearse did. This whole group is a bunch of small frys though, and they just got buried anytime the Raiders ran the ball. Philly used a lot of run blitzes to cover up this weakness.

* Donovan McNabb had a terrible 1st half, and 1st half of the 3rd quarter. He was very fortunate to have only 1 INT instead of 4 - two others were quite simply dropped, and a fourth was an underthrown ball on a deep sideline streak to Owens (who had his man beat by a step) that the defender just wasn't able to get a grasp on with Owens fighting to stop him. McNabb also sailed some passes high and threw some very questionable balls. Then, at about the 8:00 minute mark in the 3rd quarter, it was like a different guy stepped on the field. He spent the whole first half of the game making poor decisions and being totally jittery and bouncy in the pocket, and after that point, he became this calm player who made the underneath throws soundly and with nice touch. I know the guy's playing in pain, so perhaps being so timid in the pocket is to be expected. He has to cut down on the miscues that could have devastated the team, though.

* Brian Westbrook, well, here's a guy I would want on my team. Not as the #1 every-down running back, but for everything else he does. He's great at the draws and screen passes, and damn does he run a mean wheel route. He's the ideal 3rd down back, and he does well enough out of the backfield if the passing game forces the defense to back off.

* God bless David Akers. It hurt just to watch him.

* Randy Moss is not being put to good use by this Raiders offense. It's clear that they just haven't figured out how to best gameplan around him yet. The limitations of Kerry Collins may exacerbate the situation, though.

* I have a feeling that LaMont Jordan is better than he looks right now. I think this is also part of that whole failing-to-exploit-Moss thing. The downfield Raider passing attack that was feared before the season just isn't there right now. Moss is underutilized, Porter is underutilized, Doug Gabriel is underutilized. They should be exploiting matchup problems, but there just doesn't seem to be much creative offensive thinking happening on the Raider side of things.

McNabb's injury has been officially labeled a sports hernia. He intends to play through the season with it, and have surgery after the season.

If he were my quarterback, I wouldn't let him. This sets up a nice little Chad Pennington situation, where you put off the injury and then afterwards - surprise! - you're not as healthy as you expected when the next season starts!

Legion, do you think that Koi Detmer (I think he's still their backup, right?) could carry the team to the playoffs?

Detmer's still there but it's debatable who the #2 really is - him or Mike McMahon. McMahon appeared to take that job in preseason. It would be interesting to see which guy would get the call if McNabb did miss a long stretch.

Can either guy take the team to the playoffs? Well, if they did, it would be a testament to how bad the NFC still is. This team can't win without good QB play. It doesn't have a bucking bronco in the backfield to take 30 carries against 8-9 man fronts and still pound out first downs.

If McMahon can play like he has flashed before, then the Eagles might still be a playoff team in those circumstances. Detmer just isn't a great fit, and if he were called upon for multi-week duty, I would not be thrilled with the team's chances. Some still feel that McMahon just hasn't gotten the shot he needs, and so there's always a chance that there would be a spark there, especially if he got to operate the offense with weapons like Owens and Westbrook - the kind of weapons he never saw in Detroit.

*Legion* wrote:

McNabb's injury has been officially labeled a sports hernia. He intends to play through the season with it, and have surgery after the season.

If he were my quarterback, I wouldn't let him. This sets up a nice little Chad Pennington situation, where you put off the injury and then afterwards - surprise! - you're not as healthy as you expected when the next season starts!

thats my feeling... take a chance on a weak NFC and let McNabb have the surgery now.. give him 10 weeks and see what happens..

Playing hurt every week may win in a medicore NFC but wont do anyone any good in the playoffs.

10 wins in the NFC East may win the division..

I watched a good chunk of the Eagles game, and my big question is: why did they have McNabb throw 52 or whatever passes? Seemed to me that Westbrook was running over a lousy defense, so I don't see why they didn't do that more and give McNabb a break...

Poppinfresh wrote:

I watched a good chunk of the Eagles game, and my big question is: why did they have McNabb throw 52 or whatever passes? Seemed to me that Westbrook was running over a lousy defense, so I don't see why they didn't do that more and give McNabb a break...

Reid would rather have pass plays go for incompletions than rush for a 3 yard gain.

Here's a pretty funny article about the Raider's and my favorite quote from the article...

This offseason, they signed Hasselbeck and Walter Jones (quite possibly the best player in football)

Jones is a monster. If you have the chance, pay close attention to Jones when you're watching Seattle play. He tosses NFL linebackers around like dolls and puts at least one guy on his butt on almost every play.

Minase wrote:

Jones is a monster. If you have the chance, pay close attention to Jones when you're watching Seattle play. He tosses NFL linebackers around like dolls and puts at least one guy on his butt on almost every play.

Jones is one of those rare OTs that is strong enough to stand up to any D-lineman, but still quick enough to deal with the speed rush.

The only OT I've seen in the past 10 or so years that was more dominating was Tony Boselli. Ogden has been in that class for some time too, but he's starting to look like a guy falling off a bit. Pace belongs up there and Roaf did in his prime too.