100 Greatest Americans? Are you kidding!

I'm going to try very hard not to indict the entire population of my motherland to irretrievable stupidity, but it's going to be very very hard. Maybe it's not just us. Maybe if they had 100 greatest English, the English would plug one of the Spice Girls and Rowan Atkinson in there. And maybe if the Dutch had 100 Greatest Dutch, they'd ... well I'd be impressed if they came up with 100 Dutch people at all, but then again I don't know anything about the Dutch. Much, as it seems, Americans know nothing about other Americans.

The Discovery Channel has been promoting the show 100 Greatest Americans hosted by Matt Lauer for several months, and getting Americans to vote for who should be counted. And Americans responded in their inscrutable wisdom and nominated 100 people to be organized into the list. Some actually do make sense. However, here are some that do not:

In alphabetical order:

The four Bushes included - Barbara, George, George and Laura
and in the sense of political equality I also strongly disagree with the inclusion of both Bill and Hillary
Bill Cosby
Tom Cruise (are you kidding me?)
Ellen DeGeneres
John Edwards
Brett Farve
Mel Gibson
Billy Graham
Tom Hanks
Hugh Hefner
Michael Jackson (way to prop up a pedophile)
Rush Limbaugh (did people just vote for this guy to piss other people off?)
George Lucas (... what, seriously?)
Madonna
Dr. Phil (In the love of all that's sacred, who the hell nominates Dr ****ing Phil as a great American besides Dr. Phil?)
Michael Moore (did people just vote for this guy to piss other people off?)
Barrack Obama
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Martha Stewart
Donald Trump
Oprah

And that's just a sampling of the idiocy infecting said list. Here are a few just off the top of my head notably missing, I'm sure you can think of many others.

John Adams
Thomas Paine
Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Booker T Washington
James Madison
John Steinbeck
Ulysses S. Grant
John Jay

I know I shouldn't get so worked up about this, or really expect better, but I can't help it.

hey...wait a sec.. I'm not there?

boggles the mind!

You expect more from people that would respond to the Discovery Channel asking them to vote for "Greatest Americans"?

What? No Charles Sanders Peirce? Oh, Charlie! I love you, even if nobody else does!

Don't you think it's largely a matter of opinion anyway?

Although it does kind of read more like "100 people most likely to be in the news"

Also, not to disparage anyone on the list, but doesn't Obama kind of seem like the most overhyped underachiever of all time? From the early talk I was expecting some sort of Democratic messiah who would come down and cure all of the party's ills while simultaneously banishing all the Republicans into some sort of political Tartarus. He's sort of just joined the choir like everyone else since getting elected. Big whoop.

I noticed that all those were living people. Is this the 100 greatest ever or 100 greatest now? Not that their list has any credibility anyway. I mean Tom Cruise and Michael Moore? I'd just start with the first 100 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan and go from there. THEY are the greatest Americans. I mean after all, what the hell has Tom Cruise ever done for this country?

I have had a bad day at work. This list makes things even worse.

Thanks Discovery Channel, for a frightening realization of what Americans idealize. Oops, I think someone forgot to nominate Carrot Top. Are they still taking nominations?

I am going to lock myself in my room now and weep.

Dude, the vote was on AOL.

AOL!

Do I need to continue?

Mel Gibson's not even American! I say we burn the building down.

The Discovery Channel's... not ours. Do we even have a building? I digress.

I cannot believe that is the list, it is making my brain hurt.

Barrack Obama has potential to be first black president. But it's weird to pre-nominate him before he has his life...but his name doesn't give me the same...well, George Lucas??!?

Wow, I can't believe this list either. I mean I understand Hugh Hefner being on there, if it wasn't for him teenage boys would still be fapping to National Geographic.

But wow, just wow, Dr. Phil, Martha Stewart? Hopefully they kept a list of who voted for these "Great" Americans and are out making them sterile.

I'm going with simpilot on this one, I'd put all the men and women who've served in the armed forces before 1/2 the people on that list.

The four Bushes included - Barbara, George, George and Laura
and in the sense of political equality I also strongly disagree with the inclusion of both Bill and Hillary

See, I don't know that I'll disagree with any of those - well, maybe the wives.

Anyone that serves as the leader of the country deserves strong consideration. No matter what you do, half of the country hates you and thinks they know better. You have to try and address so many things, and no matter what you do, you're just sloshing a teacup against the tide.

And in the grand scheme of politics, Bush, Bush, Clinton, Gore, McCain, Kerry - none of these people are truly very far apart. Rhetoric and posing to the camera and tape recorders only makes it seem that way.

This is too funny - I wonder if we can just ask for the voters to step forward and be euthanized...

Let me add to Elysium's list:

Abraham Lincoln
George Washington
Martin Luther King
George Washington Carver
Susan B. Anthony
Ronald Reagan
Neil Armstrong

Maybe they should retitle their show - 100 most popular Americans for those who suffer from cultural ADD and get their "education" from a TV.

Martha Stewart
Tom Hanks?!?!?
Oprah
Ellen DeGeneres
Madonna
Brett FSCKING Favre?!?!?

Huey P. Newton before any of these ENTERTAINERS!!! Charlton Heston before them. Bob Hope before them.

and no Tom Paine love. How about Frederick Douglas? Abbie Hoffman even before Madonna.

F this list.

I think we should have Elysium make a GWJ members top ten list post - each person posts their top 10 (and perhaps why?) and then let the debate begin.

... well I'd be impressed if they came up with 100 Dutch people at all, but then again I don't know anything about the Dutch. Much, as it seems, Americans know nothing about other Americans.

and Americans don't know squat about anyone except Americans. And even then... They DID come up with 100 Dutch people in fact, the US is one of the "last" countries to vote for their greatest (wo)man. Together with Belgium, might I add. And everywhere there's a lot of controversy. Pim Fortuyn - a very controversial right-wing gay "politician" who was murdered a few days before the elections - almost won in Holland, actually he was proclaimed the winner but then they figured out not all votes were counted. So Willem van Oranje (somewhat founder of Holland) won anyways. Migthy suspicious... Germany: oooh, très difficult. What about Dolfie? They secluded him from the elections... Great Britain? They elected Winston Churchill, fair enough. The French? Charles de Gaulle, hmm... fair enough...

Here in Belgium a radio channel (Studio Brussel) got Eva Pauwels elected in the top-100 as a joke, since she is a complete talentless airhead - only famous because she was once married to a well-known Flemish comedian.

Conclusion: elections like this are stupid, not worthy of discussion. And Americans don't know anything about foreign countries. Arrogant bastards.

Thomas Edison
Douglas McArthur
Franklin Delanor Roosevelt
Martin Luther King

That list was obviously composed by teenagers with sever ADD.

The english did do it--> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertain...

First I might add... take note of the article on thwarting tactical voting on the right side of the article.

Canadian next --> http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/

This one was wierd with Don Cherry making it in. And I'm aware of some campain to get a guy from a comercial in the list but I would imagine that was easily identified and dealt with.

I think these are a little more controled because they are on public broadcasters...
And they limited the list to 10. America always has to go bigger, better and stupider.

Let me add to Elysium's list:

Abraham Lincoln
George Washington
Martin Luther King
George Washington Carver
Susan B. Anthony
Ronald Reagan
Neil Armstrong

Those were, thankfully, all on the list already.

Anyone that serves as the leader of the country deserves strong consideration. No matter what you do, half of the country hates you and thinks they know better. You have to try and address so many things, and no matter what you do, you're just sloshing a teacup against the tide.

And in the grand scheme of politics, Bush, Bush, Clinton, Gore, McCain, Kerry - none of these people are truly very far apart. Rhetoric and posing to the camera and tape recorders only makes it seem that way.

My point being that they are far too recent to count as the 100 Greatest Americans. If they will ever deserve to be on the list then that honor should be counted when their legacy can be encapsulated and studied. Certainly there are far more deserving presidents than these who aren't included because to know their accomplishments would take a little bit of research.

doesnt Madonna consider herself British these days, and call herself Madge?

Hugh Hefner is an interesting, and I think legitimate, choice.

He has an almost quintessentially American story of self-invention and success, coupled with enormous cultural influence.

Anyone disputes Brett Favre, they get a boot to the head.

I'm looking at you, Gio.

Elysium was expecting reason and well-thought out choices from a list compiled by the American public? Even the host of the show, Matt Lauer, was complaining about the largely assinine selections made by the voters on The Daily Show the other night.

Hugh Hefner is an interesting, and I think legitimate, choice.

And he had the right amount of crazy too!

SlyFrog wrote:

Anyone disputes Brett Favre, they get a boot to the head.

I'm looking at you, Gio. ;)

No offense intended. I just don't think he's in the same league as Jackie Robinson or Jesse Owens

I dispute Brett Favre because they only list his sporting accomplishments as opposed to why he's a 'Great American'. He'll be forgotten. But not today

I can think of Joe Louis and Ted Williams off the top of my head that were more iconic as Americans and not just athletes and have already established a legacy.

Personally.. I don't think this list should include anyone alive. That way we can assess their lives and contributions as a whole.

PS..Someone scrub Ellen DeGeneres off that list and replace her with Howard Stern. Her presence right next to Walt Disney offends me.

Gio_Clark wrote:

PS..Someone scrub Ellen DeGeneres off that list and replace her with Howard Stern. Her presence right next to Walt Disney offends me.

Whatever you do, don't go to Disney's Epcot Center! She is host to one of the rides there, along with Bill Nye the Science Guy.

Bah! Joe Montana over Favre anyday.

Also, several people on the list like Alexander Bell aren't even actual natives, he was a Scot. (btw, Scots invented everything)

Yes, this list is retarded, yes, so are all americans. Did we really need more proof? meh

Yes, this list is retarded, yes, so are all americans.

Excuse me?

Botswana wrote:
Yes, this list is retarded, yes, so are all americans.

Excuse me?

shhhhh, Mix is drunk again.

In Mix's defense, I look to that old addage that holds that a person is smart, people are stupid.