Chargers, beware

1st round pick Shawne Merriman has hired the Poston brothers to be his agents.

Watch out, Chargers fans.

The Cowboys apparently passed on Merriman because of character questions. Didn't know what to think about that, but hiring the Postons is an awful bad sign.

What's worse is that he already had an agent. Word is he planned on having the Postons as his agents all along, but knew certain teams wouldn't draft him if he were their client. Now that he's drafted, it's too late for them to do anything about it, so he's free to sign with the Postons. He fired his previous agent right after the draft, which sure makes the theory look more sound.

Great. Another draft pick down the tubes for us.

I dont know who they are - can you provide background?

yikes! The good thing: the Chargers aren''t desparate!

"SpyNavy" wrote:

I dont know who they are - can you provide background?

Quentin Jammer, Ryan Leaf and until his out-of-nowhere renaissance last year, Drew Brees.

Ugghhh - never mind.

"SpyNavy" wrote:

I dont know who they are - can you provide background?

Did you happen to watch that Flash video I posted in the Kellen Winslow thread? That''ll tell you all you need to know about the Postons.

1st round pick Shawne Merriman has hired the Poston brothers to be his agents.

Watch out, Chargers fans.

I''m not too worried AJ Smith has shown that he isn''t afraid to show draft picks agents who is in charge. Besides he can always just point to how well holding out worked for Phillip Rivers last year.

Truthfully i''d be surprised if Merrimen is anything more than a pass rushing specialist his first year. Ben Leber is great against the run and we have two players in Shaun Phillips and Dave Ball that were injured last year and looked promising as situational pass rushers.

I dont know who they are - can you provide background?

From what I gather he''s just some agent who likes to have his players hold out for more money. Here is an interesting article on them:

http://www.patsfans.com/bob/display_...

And here''s the Charger''s press release on the matter.

Statement from General Manager A.J. Smith

Thursday, May 5, 2005
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Statement from San Diego Chargers
General Manager A.J. Smith

On Wednesday, May 4, 2005, Chargers draft pick Shawne Merriman notified the club that he had retained a new agent, Kevin Poston. Mr. Poston then told the Chargers that he would not permit Merriman to participate in the team's offseason program (two Mini Camps and coaching sessions from May 6 through July 1) unless the team changed its standard injury protection language.

This injury protection language is intended to deal with situations when a player is injured before he is under contract. The Chargers' language is standard, and the Chargers have reached fair contract agreements with the only two players over the years that were injured before they were under contract.

We are disappointed that Shawne Merriman will miss the team's offseason program. We will open contract negotiations with Shawne's agent in early July. We look forward to Shawne being a Charger and joining the team in training camp.

until his out-of-nowhere renaissance last year, Drew Brees.

Out of nowhere? His lined held together and he had the best TE in the league.

"NeoCell" wrote:
until his out-of-nowhere renaissance last year, Drew Brees.

Out of nowhere? His lined held together and he had the best TE in the league.

Okay, so what? You can give ME the best TE in the league and an offensive line composed entirely of rhinoceroses, and I would be a sh*tty NFL quarterback.

Brees had a renaissance because he changed his attitude and started playing well, not because some factors around him changed.

"NeoCell" wrote:

Out of nowhere? His lined held together and he had the best TE in the league.

Gates came out of nowhere too. It''s not like he was the ""best TE"" the year before. His rookie year was average.

Gates came out of nowhere too. It''s not like he was the ""best TE"" the year before. His rookie year was average.

If you watched the Chargers in 2003 you could tell Gates was going to be great even in his rookie season, but the coaching staff limited his playtime and rotated him with a couple other tight ends. He still averaged 16.2 ypc and had some great catches.

I''m gonna agree with Neo here Brees down year in 2003 had more to do with a terrible pass protecting offensive line and horrible receivers. I think his performance was compounded when the coach benched him and Flutie came in and did his thing. When Brees came back it seemed like he was trying to do way too much a la Flutie and it got him in even more trouble. This year he had plenty of time to look the field over and we saw the results.

"Stric9" wrote:

If you watched the Chargers in 2003 you could tell Gates was going to be great even in his rookie season, but the coaching staff limited his playtime and rotated him with a couple other tight ends. He still averaged 16.2 ypc and had some great catches.

A lot of players have had seemingly promising early flashes and never panned out. I can buy into fans having seen flashes from Gates and expected good things, but anyone that claims they saw the events of 2004 comings, I''ll call a liar.

A lot of players have had seemingly promising early flashes and never panned out. I can buy into fans having seen flashes from Gates and expected good things, but anyone that claims they saw the events of 2004 comings, I''ll call a liar.

Feel free call people liars but that just makes you sound silly. There are certain players that are just so obvious its painful. Its easy for to set this equal to my favorite team. I knew TO was going to be great before he played his first Pro game. Pre-season is worth something you know....and the list of 49er players that I knew were gonna make or break has always been pretty straight forward. For those of us that actually follow ours teams closely it is pretty easy to evaluate talent and project. Sure some of it is just blind hope but thats true with any situation and any player.

As for Breeze, I''ve been telling people he was a great QB and a better choice then Vick since day one. I am not a Charger fan by any stretch either. He showed great poise and the needed tools in season 1, got creamed in season 2 because of the aformentioned line issues and when season 3 came around and the line was healthy and Gates was fully developed a more positive outcome was pretty forseeable. By the way I was praying the Chargers would dump him after his down year .....because he would be a perfect 49er.

A lot of players have had seemingly promising early flashes and never panned out. I can buy into fans having seen flashes from Gates and expected good things, but anyone that claims they saw the events of 2004 comings, I''ll call a liar.

Considering he was already a top ten fantasy tight end in 2003 according to this site despite very limited playing time, and was the third leading receiver on the Chargers despite not playing football since highschool I could tell he was going to be good. Did I think he would be arguably the best tight end in the league this year? No. But I definately felt he could be in the top five in a year or two.

I don''t know Legion. I find it a bit ironic that you would question anyone''s ability to forecast Gates breakout year after a very solid rookie season, yet at the same time speak so highly of Matt Jones who has yet to show anything besides he''s tall and can run a good 40 yard dash.

I think maybe you guys are reading a bit more into my comments than was there. Oh I''m not saying I expected Gates to not improve. As a matter of fact, I drafted him in my fantasy league, and he helped me win the championship, thankyouverymuch. Though I did select Randy McMichael first, but McMichael spent the whole year on the bench thanks to Gates.

But there''s a HUGE step from expecting someone to become a good player, and expecting him to become the new model for the position he plays. Because that''s what Gates has become. And I was listening last season, and Chargers fans weren''t talking him up THAT much. Forecasted as top 10 TE? Sure. Forecasted as top 2? Nah.

There are certain players that are just so obvious its painful.

I would enjoy seeing you generate a running list from here on out. I''ll either make fun of you for picking duds, or I''ll hire you to head up my scouting department when I become obscenely rich and buy a football team.

I find it a bit ironic that you would question anyone''s ability to forecast Gates breakout year after a very solid rookie season, yet at the same time speak so highly of Matt Jones who has yet to show anything besides he''s tall and can run a good 40 yard dash. icon_smile.gif

Well I think you''re looking too much into what I''m saying about Jones. At this point, I''m only *forecasting* him as a 3rd down receiver and potential red zone target. I''m excited at the potential, but you won''t see me saying ""this guy WILL become the next big thing"" for a while. And at the same time, part of what has facilitated Jones''s entry into the league is the success of Antonio Gates. Teams are starting to see the ball skills of a basketball player translates well to catching the football, and big men that can move in traffic and come down with the ball are valuable players.

I didn''t see ANYONE saying Antonio Gates was going to suddenly become the next Tony Gonzalez. Optimism, sure. Top 10 fantasy TE, sure. The next big thing? Again, I think maybe you guys are reading a bit more into my comments than was there.

I would enjoy seeing you generate a running list from here on out. I''ll either make fun of you for picking duds, or I''ll hire you to head up my scouting department when I become obscenely rich and buy a football team.

Nice.....I had that coming. Can I include known commodities? Better yet just 49ers players...

Teams are starting to see the ball skills of a basketball player translates well to catching the football, and big men that can move in traffic and come down with the ball are valuable players.

Come on now......they league has been scouting B-Ball players as WR''s and TE''s for decades. Go read a Jerry Rice bio. The scouting him while playing B-Ball. In fact, half of the current WR''s in the league swear they are better B-ball players then Football players. If I remember correctly TG was also a B-Ball player.

"NeoCell" wrote:

Come on now......they league has been scouting B-Ball players as WR''s and TE''s for decades.

Yeah, and Antonio Gates was so well scouted that he went undrafted.

GMs and scouts are coming on NFL Network and saying that they have started doing so much more so now, especially for consideration for higher picks. The Jags'' film study of Matt Jones includes basketball footage, and I''m sure they''re not the only ones.

If I remember correctly TG was also a B-Ball player.

One''s an anomaly. Two''s a pattern. Three''s a trend. No, Gates is not the first basketball player in the NFL. But he has quickly turned a fringe practice into a much more regular scouting practice. Gates went undrafted. Now, players like Gates are being though of as draftable players:

""With what Gates has done, more and more of us will look to the college basketball players to see if there are any potential draft picks,"" said an NFC scout

""The thought of investing a draft pick, signing bonus or even a training camp roster spot on a guy who hasn''t pulled on shoulder pads and a helmet since high school would have been absurd just a few years ago, but players such as San Diego Chargers tight end Antonio Gates have changed that.""

""The rise of Pro Bowl tight end Antonio Gates in San Diego has prompted other clubs to pursue alternative sources for players""