Matt Jones buzz begins in Jacksonville

of course...isn''t Clayton already injured?

Clayton tweaked his hammie too. Unlike Jones, he did not return to workouts, but the Ravens say he''ll be ready to go for their passing camp in 2 weeks.

So far, the most impressive rookie receivers in mini-camps, by all reports, have been Clayton, Jones, and Buffalo''s 2nd rounder Roscoe Parrish. Troy Williamson has been less than impressive in Vikings camp so far. Mike Williams has more rust to knock off. Atlanta reportedly has little interest in making their 1st rounder, Roddy White, a starter this year - they''re going with Peerless Price & Dez White, with Brian Finneran and last year''s 1st rounder, Michael Jenkins, duking it out for the #3 spot. Falcons fans would have to hope that they get more out of back-to-back 1st round WR picks than a #3 and a #4/#5 guy.

I am a big fan of the pick and his drafting alone (Jones) will pull me back to Jags football for that alone after a couple of years in hiatus where my love had shifted to the Steelers and Panthers. My first love is the Dolphins who have shamed me in recent years but I loved the Panthers since day one and the Steelers since I was a little kid. I follow the Colts because of the Indianapolis family connection and mostly becuase I am a Manning fan from the SEC days. The Jags looked like they could have been contenders for awhile and now I think it may be falling into place. I like their drafting style and

Legion - do you like Jones enough to make him a Fantasy Football pick?

"Minase" wrote:

Legion - do you like Jones enough to make him a Fantasy Football pick?

Way too early to tell, but quite possibly if you are in a league that lets you carry 5 receivers, or if you''re in a large league (12 teams + 4 receivers a team = 48 receivers, meaning a lot of #3s make fantasy teams), and especially if your league emphasizes scoring over yardage and receptions. Also, he may deserve consideration for keeper leagues.

Jacksonville''s biggest weakness last year was red zone offense. They had plenty of success moving the ball downfield, but struggled in the red zone. In their victory over Indy, they should have blown Indy out, but had 4 trips into the red zone that came away with 0 points. Problem is that Jimmy Smith''s a sideline burner, not a tall guy, and Fred Taylor is an open-field back.

The drafting of Matt Jones is a direct attack on this problem. Jones will be used a ton in the red zone. They will line him up and take a ton of ""toss it up over the corner and let Jones reach for it"" shots at the endzone. He could score quite a few touchdowns this season, if he works out in that role.

If you are in a league with more emphasis on yardage and catches, then Jones is a bit less attractive. There''s also the Reggie Williams factor. Williams has looked like a different human being in minicamps. He lost weight and re-gained some quickness. He''s a big (6''3"", 215-220) target that, if he steps up, could be a factor in the red zone offense. Plus, last year''s 4th rounder, Ernest Wilford, is another big target (6''4"") who made some big game-winning redzone catches for the Jags last year. Both Wilford and Williams were rookies last year, and there''s plenty of potential for either or both to become quality starter-level receivers.

Also, when thinking about drafting Jaguars beyond Jones, expect most of the members of the Jaguars passing game to put up bigger numbers than last year. The new offense is much more about downfield passing, and that plays to the strength of Leftwich as well as Smith, Williams, and probably Jones (and George Wrighster too - major sleeper at TE, average blocker but great pass catcher who missed most of last season with hand and back injuries). The trick will be figuring out who is going to benefit besides Jimmy Smith. Jones is a rookie, Williams and Wilford are 2nd year players, and Wrighster is a 3rd year guy. All of those guys are going to get considerable field time, and any grouping of them could end up in the starting lineup. Training camp will sort things out. I think this is the year Troy Edwards heads back to the bench, and the young hands become the focus along with Jimmy. So far, they seem sincere in their plans to throw downfield, and given Leftwich''s maturing, it''s time to unleash him and see what happens. Expect an offense that looks nothing like the old Tom Coughlin offenses (except in ''96, when they were a bunch of kids and Brunell was still a gunslinger, and they had nothing to lose)

It''s real easy to fall in love with Jones''s early returns, but in the end, I still see him as a 3rd down receiver and red zone receiver for 2005. If he proves he can do that, then the sky''s the limit for 2006 and beyond. He''s an intriguing keeper prospect, and in leagues that let you keep a lot of players, he''d be one to consider. For annual re-draft leagues, for 2005, I think you have to think of him in the same manner as a scoring fullback - not likely to rack up the yards, but he will be called upon when it''s touchdown time. It''s real easy to imagine him having a lot of TDs and not a lot of yards.

Sounds like he''d be a good fit for GWJFFL based on the rules of last year''s league. I can''t wait to see how many shady trades and one point victories Certis can pull off this year.

I started showing up here (regularly) just after the GWJFFL started last year. Think I''ll jump in this year.

Sounds like he''d be a good fit for GWJFFL based on the rules of last year''s league. I can''t wait to see how many shady trades and one point victories Certis can pull off this year. ;)

You just couldn''t handle my cut throat style of actually paying attention and engaging others in the FFL. A season of all wins only to end in the playoffs because New England couldn''t be bothered to let me know Daniel Graham was going to play until the last second when I was away from a computer and unable to make the line change. If that happened I would have taken it all baby, the number played out in my favor for the SB... theoretically

This year I''ll be starting a 12 player limit draft with an actual buy-in to ensure those who play will actually pay attention this year. I wouldn''t say no to a general 20 team slug fest again too

Sounds like he''d be a good fit for GWJFFL based on the rules of last year''s league. I can''t wait to see how many shady trades and one point victories Certis can pull off this year.

One of those shady trades landed me a RB that helped my surge into the playoffs.

A buy-in league would be perfect though you should keep the limit at 12 so there is plenty of talent to go around.

Last year was slim pickens....

Those who deal with Certis will find salvation. Those who spurn him are cast down in the eyes of the Lord and brought low by their reticence.

I will be once again not participating in GWJFFL if it continues to be a 20-team league. I''m hoping that you guys learned from last year and there will be two leagues or something this time around.

Edit: I guess I should read the whole thread first.

This year I''ll be starting a 12 player limit draft with an actual buy-in to ensure those who play will actually pay attention this year. I wouldn''t say no to a general 20 team slug fest again too

Ok, you can count me in for the former (though I personally prefer a 10-team league) but I''ll pass on the latter, thanks..

You just couldn''t handle my cut throat style of actually paying attention and engaging others in the FFL.

Actually, I''m still bitter about you beating me by 1 point... I''m sure I''ll have my revenge this year.

Guys - if you had 20 teams last year (way too many from somone who has been a commissioner in two ongoning leagues for 15 and 9 years respectively) - may I suggest that with 20, you add Legion, Grump, myself -find one more- and go to two 12 team leagues...which is the good size of a league. If one or two drop, you do a 12 and 10 option (I did this with my VA league at one time, and now the 12 league is a keeper league, and the 10 league moved up to 12, but no keeper rules).

You could consider letting one be a keeper long term league, the other a year in/year out league for those not as...umm...fanatical as many of us. Alternatively, you can set up a queue system like in English football - in league one, the bottom 4 records are relegated to league 2 the next year, and in league 2, the top 4 records move up...and so on. Keeps a good flow. Or you just randomly select the 12 teams for each league...

Just food for thought - and not sure what you all used last year...but I use cbssportsline.com for both my leagues...and I highly recommend it.

*EDIT* and back to Jones - I would argue he''s a 13th/14th round at best unless in a keeper league...with his upside, I could see him going in the 6th/7th round (1-4 rounds are keepers) with my league...so he''ll be a commodity that someone will jump on - but I see him with a 2 years development time to become a premo player.

"Pigpen" wrote:

*EDIT* and back to Jones - I would argue he''s a 13th/14th round at best unless in a keeper league...with his upside, I could see him going in the 6th/7th round (1-4 rounds are keepers) with my league...so he''ll be a commodity that someone will jump on - but I see him with a 2 years development time to become a premo player.

Yeah... I''m pretty sure that Minase''s question wasn''t of the mindset that Jones would be a *high* pick, but rather if he''d be a player to pick at all. Training camp will really show.

I wish the Jags were doing the NFL Network''s ""Inside Training Camp"" thing again. They haven''t announced who it will be this year, or if it will be anyone. Last year, Jack Del Rio was the only coach that said yes. After the first two seasons on HBO, when the teams that were done ended up having bad seasons, coaches seem to have been scared off. But Del Rio was in Baltimore when they did it, and he knew that it wasn''t the show''s fault that B-more choked that year. So now that they did the Jags, and had the opposite effect on their season (from 5-11 to 9-7, including a very fast start), hopefully some other coach will go for it. I can''t imagine Del Rio doing it 2 years in a row, but damn if it wouldn''t get a LOT more attention this time (better team, Matt Jones, etc)