It's official! All classes gimped according to WoW Forums

Check it out...

Theres at least 1 or 2 if not more threads in every single classes official forums.

Most are by level 60 players (who got their despite how gimped their characters are)

Pretty funny stuff...but if you add it up accordingly you get that all classes are gimped.

OMG!!! No way! It''s dead to me. Sorry - absurdly bored here in the Pentagon and would love to be playing a gimped class right now.

Isn''t it great?

""My class is gimped but I managed to make it to 60 already, oh ya, and i have the best equipment there is too!""

Just sounds so ironic.

Bring in the Waaambulance. Why cant people just be happy with a great game and an enjoyable experience.

I love how anytime anything changes, it makes the class and/or spell and/or ablilty ""OMG totally worthless"". As in, ""Blizzard totally nerfed preists! They gave Shadow Widget a .001 second longer cooldown period!!! Priests are totally worthless now!!1""

Pfft - from personal experience, I can firmly state that anyone who thinks the Hunter or Shaman classes are ''gimped'' must not be playing them right. Individual abilities might need some fine-tuning, but... c''mon.

Aww, give them all a break. I mean, it must be terribly difficult to reach the keyboard while you''ve got your head shoved so far up your bum.

Look at me, I''m GIMPED! Ermmm... does anyone have a crowbar?

Sorry.. its morning, I''m bitter. Need more caffeine.

The problem comes from those people that min/max their characters. They use those web calculators to figure out what the ''best'' build is, and then run with that. Then, when there is even the slightest change to one of the components, they cry foul.

Two things I have noticed - if you play the way you want to, as opposed to the min/max way, you have more fun, and the changes rarely bother you. Second, all of these conversations stem from PVP. Rarely do you see people whining about PvE. It is all about the ''my X sucks compared to a Pally/Shaman''.

My work life sucks compared to my Pally and Mage :).

Yeah, wait until the battlegrounds start soon. You think you have seen crying, get ready for so much more!

Yeah, wait until the battlegrounds start soon. You think you have seen crying, get ready for so much more!

Yes but it''s genius on Blizzard''s part, they''ll unite all the whiners under one cause, the battlegrounds, then promptly ban them all. Brilliant.

That, or start a thread in each forum entitled ""Suggestions for Your Class"" and then the longest posts get banned.

On a serious note, are a lot of people here having that bad of a time with WoW? I almost always find my game night to be very enjoyable and someting to look forward to. I guess none of these ""nerfs"" have effected my regular group or other friends I play with.

The threads I''ve read all seem to be ""omg i m lvl 60 and in pvp this class sux!"" written by barely-literate kids who have nothing better to do than grind all day. Apparently no one told them that pvp plays very differently from fighting mobs.

"JohnnyMoJo" wrote:

if you play the way you want to, as opposed to the min/max way, you have more fun, and the changes rarely bother you.

I think this needs to be posted as Blizzard''s MoTD evertime we log in to play.

Still digging my Paladin, no matter gimped/overpowered he happens to be on a particular day.

Two things I have noticed - if you play the way you want to, as opposed to the min/max way, you have more fun, and the changes rarely bother you. Second, all of these conversations stem from PVP. Rarely do you see people whining about PvE. It is all about the ''my X sucks compared to a Pally/Shaman''.

Wise words.

I''m a lvl 17 Orc Warlock (yea goes against pretty much every UB3R thread about warlocks) and I''m having a blast This is one of the first MMOs in which I am NOT playing min/max and just enjoying the ride... I should have done this more often!

PAR

You can min/max and have fun You just can''t be inflexible about it...

With these players the motto is win at all costs. It is even moreso when they engage in PvP.

In PvE it is possible for everyone to win. In PvP, someone has to lose. If one class owned over all, then everyone would be that class and someone would still have to lose. They would probably gripe about racial preferences at that point.

Rediculous...

I''m going to be the evil loser and step in and say that sometimes there really are imbalances.

However, I''m more than willing to admit that 95% of purported imbalances are not. Just because everyone rants and whines does not mean that class balance could not be improved, however.

Sorry to say, most likely when the battlefields are made avaliable, more ''balancing'' will happen.

People are always yelling when their class gets beat up in pvp -> nerfs -> pve goes to hell.

I hope Blizzard doesn''t listen to any of these punks but to their own experience and intuition.
The whining will never stop, but they will eventually kill WoW with constant rebalancing just like they did with Diablo 2 and the 1.09 patch.
1.10 patch took what, 2 years to come out, and nobody gave a crap by then.

I hope Blizzard doesn''t listen to any of these punks but to their own experience and intuition.

Blizzard have actually said that, while they value their players''/customers'' opinions, that balance is an intricate issue and they do not want/need advice on how to balance their game.

I don''t think they were that blunt, but reading between the lines, it''s clear that they understand most of the stuff on the boards is whining and self-serving, and that they trust in their designers'' and developers'' abilities and insights and experience in the whole class-balance issue.

Fret not, the whiners are peeing into the wind.

"fangblackbone" wrote:

With these players the motto is win at all costs. It is even moreso when they engage in PvP.

I think that''s the issue right there. Most of the whiners are of the mindset that they should always win, or win far more than they lose. But in PVP, somebody loses 100% of the time. Even for the uber powergaming min/maxer losses will be fairly frequent. And if they can''t win most or all of the time, it must mean their class is gimped.

*sigh*

I don''t think the classes should be balanced at all.
Especially when it comes to pvp.
It should be Rock/Papers/Scissors approach to duels and in group battles the group with the best group make up should win(player skills being equal in all of the above).

"phragged" wrote:

I don''t think the classes should be balanced at all.
Especially when it comes to pvp.
It should be Rock/Papers/Scissors approach to duels and in group battles the group with the best group make up should win(player skills being equal in all of the above).

I think that has a lot going for it if/when they put in a good Battlegrounds type of system.

Anything that promotes teamwork as opposed to solo ganking would add to the game I think.

The threads I''ve read all seem to be ""omg i m lvl 60 and in pvp this class sux!"" written by barely-literate kids who have nothing better to do than grind all day.

When doing research for what class I would like to play in WoW, I did some reading on the druid boards, and I have to say that I was impressed by the thoughtfulness and clarity with which most of the complaints were put forward.

I dunno. I played EQ for quite a while, and there really were some balancing issues with that game. Necromancers were simply too powerful (this coming from someone who played a necromancer,) and hybrid classes (pally, SK,) were quite underpowered. So I''m inclined to at least allow that these complainers COULD have a legitimate beef.

Ah well, EQ thoroughly beat all the caring out of me, with regards to these sorts of issues. Unless it''s literally impossible for me to get a group, I don''t really care anymore.

No class seems particularly broken to me. There are moments where a class seems to be able to do something better/easier than mine can, but I think part of the issue there is I don''t have wildly unrealistic expectations as to what I can do with my class. I mean, it''s enough to make me cry when I hear a level 60 druid complain about not being able to solo a 60 elite fire giant, but that doesn''t make me want druids nerfed... just to Female Doggoslap that specific druid.

What I''d really like to see is the percentage of Horde vs. Alliance posters asking for paladin nerfs, because I suspect it''s heavily weighted toward Horde folks. I''m sure they''re presenting a balanced, thoughtful view of paladins too

I don''t think the classes should be balanced at all.

This is another sentiment that Blizzard have commented on in the past. The balance they want is not 1-on-1 duel balance. It is Group vs. Group or Raid vs. Raid balance. Basically, if you get a variety of 10 Horde members together with a variety of 10 Alliance members, will be a coin-toss type situation(equally skilled and levelled players/characters) or will it always be a rout? If it''s always a rout, is that due to player skill/character level, or is it due to an inherent imbalance between the realms?

Heh... this reminds me...

My main is a paladin. Not because I heard they were so good, but because I really wanted to play one based on their description. At times I felt they were a bit overpowered in PvE as they are incredible defensive characters with some decent offense. So, for weeks I''ve been hearing how incredibly overpowered pallys are and how weak and meak the hunters are.

Until about a week ago. My pally was 43; just riding along in Arathi, minding her own business; in teh corner of my eye I see a horde hunter--a quick mouseover shows him to be level 40. I was not in a PvP ganking mood so I rode on. I figured this was so beneath me to even flinch. I''m almost past him, when all of a sudden his pet attacks me and slows me, simultaneously dismounting me. This peeves me off and I start chasing him. Long story short, about 1.3 minutes later I''m staring at the ""you''re dead"" screen wondering what happened, as I haven''t even landed a single hit upon the hunter. Coincidentally, his name was ""Palycrusher"".

All goes to show that knowing your strenghts and weaknesses, and those of your opponent, will win the day every time. Sun Tzu would be very proud of Palycrusher. I dread to think what other classes have in store for me. I guess my point is that if you trully know how to play the game and work the skills you have, you can take a ""gimped"" character and with it slap the ""overpowered"" char around like a rubber chicken. I don''t think the classes in WoW are gimped. I think the players are.

Until about a week ago. My pally was 43; just riding along in Arathi, minding her own business; in teh corner of my eye I see a horde hunter--a quick mouseover shows him to be level 40. I was not in a PvP ganking mood so I rode on. I figured this was so beneath me to even flinch. I''m almost past him, when all of a sudden his pet attacks me and slows me, simultaneously dismounting me. This peeves me off and I start chasing him. Long story short, about 1.3 minutes later I''m staring at the ""you''re dead"" screen wondering what happened, as I haven''t even landed a single hit upon the hunter. Coincidentally, his name was ""Palycrusher"".

Hmm...you should have never lost to a Hunter.. #1 rule when fighting a hunter is to ignore the pet completely and close as quick as possible...once you have them in melee range its over.

"TheGameguru" wrote:
Until about a week ago. My pally was 43; just riding along in Arathi, minding her own business; in teh corner of my eye I see a horde hunter--a quick mouseover shows him to be level 40. I was not in a PvP ganking mood so I rode on. I figured this was so beneath me to even flinch. I''m almost past him, when all of a sudden his pet attacks me and slows me, simultaneously dismounting me. This peeves me off and I start chasing him. Long story short, about 1.3 minutes later I''m staring at the ""you''re dead"" screen wondering what happened, as I haven''t even landed a single hit upon the hunter. Coincidentally, his name was ""Palycrusher"".

Hmm...you should have never lost to a Hunter.. #1 rule when fighting a hunter is to ignore the pet completely and close as quick as possible...once you have them in melee range its over.

You forget a pally has no range weapon so the hunter can run away, wait for his pet to stun the paly, take a few shots, rinse and repeat.