My First PvP kill

Well actually another member of the team got the credit, but I helped.

Myself (Eria/druid) my buddy (Katiara/hunter) and another NE hunter were doing the Thistlefur tribe quest in Ashenvale (Bloodhoof "Normal" server). We didn't know where he was and explored a deep cave in their villiage. We were having a blast killing mostly even cons when an orc hunter comes and starts tagging along behind us, occasionally pulling and killing a mob. Not really bothering us, but it was annoying that he was there and we couldn't do anything about it. Plus we were worried he might be on the same quest and might kill steal.

So we worked our way to the back of the cave and lo and behold, there is no cheiftan in there. But there is a big white bear. We figured it was what the orc was looking for and another orc came down the path as we were leaving.

We found and killed the chieftan (outside) a short while later and as we were leaving the Thistlefur villiage, here is our orcish friend escorting the bear, Ruul Snowfoot(?), straight towards us... and the bear is PvP enabled!

Being the good Night Elves that we are, we set upon that evil (?) ursine with all the power of Elune. I didn't notice at first if the orc was PvP enabled, but he sure was once he hit Katiara! Our attention swung from the badly beaten bear to the orc with deadly swiftness. His pet wolf cowered in fear as it watched his master pelted with arrows and torn to shreds.

The other NE guy with us got credit for the kill and left the group before I could ask if it was Honorable or not.

So my questions to you all are:

1. Was that an honorable kill (in the game context, and your own opinion).

2. Did that orc know that the bear, and therefore the quest, was PvP enabled?

3. Was the orc PvP enabled before he hit Katiara?

4. Is it OK for me to feel good about that kill? It was fun and I have often considered making a char on a PvP server.

5. Can any horde players give me some insight into that quest?

TIA

1. Was that an honorable kill (in the game context, and your own opinion).

Matter of opinion. Messing up his quest = not cool. Roleplaying = you did your part!

2. Did that orc know that the bear, and therefore the quest, was PvP enabled?

I bet he did. What level was he though?

Not sure what level he was... thottbot says the quest is obtained at lvl 28

Two of us were lvl 24 and one lvl 21.

The mobs tell you if they''re ''PVP enabled'' or not, also you get a big flag next to your portrait. I wouldn''t feel bad about killing him.

The NPC was PvP flagged, but the orc could have let you kill it and accepted failure of the quest. By attacking you, he flagged himself.

"CodexMatt" wrote:

2. Did that orc know that the bear, and therefore the quest, was PvP enabled?

3. Was the orc PvP enabled before he hit Katiara?

I don''t think there are any quests that automatically turn your PvP flag on, though there are some that require you go PvP to finish them (the Horde''s Silverwind-slaughtering quest in Ashenvale comes to mind). My guess is that your PvP flags got turned on as soon as you hit the bear, and the orc''s got turned on as soon as he hit one of you. He may not have realized that you were players, though, and that his PvP flag would get turned on; there are several escort quests where named NPC mobs wait in your path to kill the escorted person/creature.

Personally, I''d be extremely upset to the point of screaming obscenities and having to log out to calm down if I was that guy and you''d screwed up a quest I''d worked really hard on then proceeded to kill me, but that''s a matter of opinion. One man''s griefing is another man''s role-playing.

He definetly knew we were players since he was following us through the cave only minutes before, and we didn''t attack the bear until we had a good look at each other.

After killing him, I thought about how I would feel if the roles had been reversed. I would have been pissed-off for sure, but I would have accepted it as part of the game. I also thought about the situation... that being that he was on a quest in NE lands that he would probably not been able to solo without my groups ""help"" through the cave portion. If he had had even one more player in his group we would not have been so eager to attack, AND we are playing on a ""normal"" server, which certainly allows for this type of thing to happen to the unwary.

I know that I have learned to pay close attention to the flags on NPCs now.

"CodexMatt" wrote:

3. Was the orc PvP enabled before he hit Katiara?

Yes, because you can''t just attack someone who''s pvp flagged if you aren''t. You have to type /pvp to enable it (or perform some other action that pvp enables you, such as healing someone pvp enabled), then you can attack.

"CodexMatt" wrote:

It was fun and I have often considered making a char on a PvP server.

I''m not pimping it because, honestly, I don''t know if it''s going to be any fun or not but, just FYI, I have an Undead Priest that hit level 10 last night on Thunderlord (PvP). Feel free to come on over and /friend Tenderheart if you decide you want to give it a go and can stomach playing Horde.

The Horde isnt evil...

As far as I can tell its the Alliance thats evil

We''re more like the Rebel Alliance...and the Alliance is the Empire.

"TheGameguru" wrote:

As far as I can tell its the Alliance thats evil

That''s impression you get from the Defias storyline. I for one find myself gravitating towards the outskirts of the Empire more and more after the Van Cleef/Defias storyline. I wish there were a way to lead an insurrection against Stormwind.

Oh. I absolutely love the fact that you can''t read /say text across faction. For example, last night a lowly level30 Rogue who shall remain nameless ventured into Booty Bay last night and began spouting /s text like:
''Can you understand me, you filthy orc devils?'' To level?? Orc Warriors and the ever classy, ''MOO!'' to Taurens. I''m just asking for an ass-whuppin''.

I''ve rooted a high level paladin who was running away from the crossroads and he was cut down.
Thats my claim to fame.

"Reaper81" wrote:
"TheGameguru" wrote:

As far as I can tell its the Alliance thats evil

Oh. I absolutely love the fact that you can''t read /say text across faction. For example, last night a lowly level30 Rogue who shall remain nameless ventured into Booty Bay last night and began spouting /s text like:
''Can you understand me, you filthy orc devils?'' To level?? Orc Warriors and the ever classy, ''MOO!'' to Taurens. I''m just asking for an ass-whuppin''.

Try that in Booty Bay on a PvP server. I presume any gibberish an alliance say is an insult and act on that assumption with swiftness.

1. Was that an honorable kill (in the game context, and your own opinion).

Since you''re on a normal server, I would say no. It was 3v1 and he was questing and not instigating.

2. Did that orc know that the bear, and therefore the quest, was PvP enabled?

Probably. By the twenties most people know about the PvP flags on NPCs.

3. Was the orc PvP enabled before he hit Katiara? Probably not until he attacked. I would attack you guys as well since you''re trying to mess up my quest.

4. Is it OK for me to feel good about that kill? It was fun and I have often considered making a char on a PvP server.

Yeah it''s okay. It''s all part of the game mechanics intended by Blizzard.

5. Can any horde players give me some insight into that quest?

I don''t recall any escort quests in Ashenvale.

That''s the first quest I''ve seen that pretty much required you to heal the guy you are escorting. In that act, you flag yourself. I remember a few of us did it and we were pretty nervous some nasty NE was gonna jump us and kill us and ruin our quest, once we realized we were all flagged. ""Uh, guys, check your status..."" ""Oh s***!""

But hey, it''s the way the game is set up. Guy should have known he was doomed when he spotted you. You could have let him go, but in your place I''d have not. Not many easy kills floating around on PVE servers.

"a7an" wrote:

5. Can any horde players give me some insight into that quest?

I don''t recall any escort quests in Ashenvale.

There is one where you need to escort an Orc chief to take back some NE outpost. I know because me and Thorg failed it several times one day

It''s actually kind of odd playing on a PvE server sometimes. I was venturing through the Blackfathom Deeps the other night solo (the non-instanced part) and some Orc joined me. We were both about the same level we just kind looked at each other. He said some stuff to me which of course came out ""Uck agh uck!"" and I responded back.. and then we proceeded to leap frog through the place clearing it out. A couple times I got in trouble with some adds and he came over and helped me out. I returned the favor when he got swarmed. We couldn''t talk, but he would do emotes.. and of course there was some dancing some going on (Orcs know how to get down and boogey). We got some very strange looks from other Alliance and Horde groups passing through there.. hehe...

Teamspeak was built for cross faction grouping.

If I was that Orc, I would''ve been pissed, but only because that escort quest is one of the more frustrating quests in the game even without roving Alliance players providing the beat-down.

So, yes, escorting the bear to safety is a Horde quest. Why Blizzrd PVP enabled the darn thing is beyond me, it''s difficult enough as it is.

On a side note, I''ll help Alliance players if I run across one in some serious trouble. I do worry about it looking like a steal-kill sometimes, but so far everyone I''ve stopped to help has thanked me.

There''s also been an unusual number of Night Elves wave and bow at me as we pass each other on the road. I''m convinced it''s because they find my awesome tauren boviness just too sexy to resist.

This is always going to be a sensative topic on a PvE/PvP mixed game like this.

AC2 had some spote where quest would force you through PvP land and gank squads would just hang out knowing they get easy pickings.

I would not be too surprised to find PvP types that will eventually patroll knonw quests that force lower levels to go PvP just to get easy kills. This sort of behavior is how it has happened in almost any game I played in that allowed for PvP.

Now your case was slightly different since you did not hang out there for the intentional ganking. Still if I was working on a quest and was forced into PvP status or fail while I may not mind since I enjoy PvP I know a lot of players will hate this.

occasionally I will see a Horde in different areas I have wondered through, and just watch them just to see what they do. Kinda like the croc guy....Crikey look at the horns on that Tauren, e''s a big one!

On a side note, I''ll help Alliance players if I run across one in some serious trouble. I do worry about it looking like a steal-kill sometimes, but so far everyone I''ve stopped to help has thanked me.

Really?
I''ve kind of taken the other approach of sitting and taunting/laughing at them while they hopefully die.
I know not all alliance are evil but when the bastards are raiding the crossroads 2 times a night and coming into our main city to just kill the banker and auctioneers you tend to feel persecuted :).

I would not be too surprised to find PvP types that will eventually patroll knonw quests that force lower levels to go PvP just to get easy kills. This sort of behavior is how it has happened in almost any game I played in that allowed for PvP.

But by the same token, I would expect some form of organized resistence to protect lower level players from just such an action. (Well ok expect is to strong of a word, hope maybe? dream?).

Yesterday i was playing in Ashenvale territory deep inside some Thistlebear (?) Village. I look over and there''s a lvl 21 Paladin in the same area. He tries to draw out a named boss and 3 adds follow, all above this guys level. Being the considerate Tauren Shaman I run over there and take out 2 adds and heal his ass so he can kill the named boss. I know we''re opposite faction but, there''s a person on the other end and I guess that''s just the kind of ""Carebear"" I am.

Not 2 minutes later the same paladin runs by trailing a group of 3 monsters who aggro on me and kill me as he sits down and watches. His health was 80% or more, he just wasn''t going to help me.

Now, was he roleplaying or just being a dick? ""Verily, I must slay yon insane Tauren who is so beyond the pale he mistaketh me for an ally!""

Kill them all, and let reincarnation sort it out.

Now, was he roleplaying or just being a dick? ""Verily, I must slay yon insane Tauren who is so beyond the pale he mistaketh me for an ally!""

Thats a bastard move regardless of faction.
But then again I would expect that from the alliance...especially a paladin.

"phragged" wrote:
I would not be too surprised to find PvP types that will eventually patroll knonw quests that force lower levels to go PvP just to get easy kills. This sort of behavior is how it has happened in almost any game I played in that allowed for PvP.

But by the same token, I would expect some form of organized resistence to protect lower level players from just such an action. (Well ok expect is to strong of a word, hope maybe? dream?).

That does happen but if UO is any sort of lesson on this Anti-PKs as they were called generally were reactionary in nature because of the role they played.

So what this meant was that unless the PKs over stayed thier welcome it is rather easy to slip away.

Now there is no reason for people to worry about losing a fight in WoW unlike UO so I would imagine that if this happens PKs will in fact kill and intefere with certain quests fora bit. Then armed resistance will come and perhaps over take them but at that point the people that got killed will have to do the quest again.

I would not be too surprised to find PvP types that will eventually patroll knonw quests that force lower levels to go PvP just to get easy kills. This sort of behavior is how it has happened in almost any game I played in that allowed for PvP.

doubt it will be a huge issue on PVE servers... on PVP thats a different story but thats part of the game..and more the reason to have friends.

Being the considerate Tauren Shaman I run over there and take out 2 adds and heal his ass so he can kill the named boss. I know we''re opposite faction but, there''s a person on the other end and I guess that''s just the kind of ""Carebear"" I am.

You can''t heal the opposing faction...at all.

Whew! I was questing in ashenvale last night and it was damned murderous! At least 8, lvl ?? Horde sacked Astranaar for the better part of an hour. Then a group of Alliance attacked Splintertree, but it didn''t last long and the Horde returned to Astranaar in greater numbers. I''m glad I didn''t need to talk to many NPCs cause they were killed many times.

I hardly saw any PvP action until I hit Ashenvale, but that makes sense since the newbie lands are harder to get to.

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I would not be too surprised to find PvP types that will eventually patroll knonw quests that force lower levels to go PvP just to get easy kills. This sort of behavior is how it has happened in almost any game I played in that allowed for PvP.

doubt it will be a huge issue on PVE servers... on PVP thats a different story but thats part of the game..and more the reason to have friends.

You may be right but if prior games are any indication of how low people will go to gank people and avoid a more decent fight I would not be surprised.

"maladen" wrote:
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I would not be too surprised to find PvP types that will eventually patroll knonw quests that force lower levels to go PvP just to get easy kills. This sort of behavior is how it has happened in almost any game I played in that allowed for PvP.

doubt it will be a huge issue on PVE servers... on PVP thats a different story but thats part of the game..and more the reason to have friends.

You may be right but if prior games are any indication of how low people will go to gank people and avoid a more decent fight I would not be surprised.

Its just that theres really not that many ""must do"" quests that revolve around areas that may attract ""gankers""

Whats more likely is that said gankers will simply get bored and lonely when no one bothers to show up.

Besides with PVP battlegrounds soon going up on PVE servers...there so much more to gain there from killing the opposing faction..

What is interesting is that a few days ago the Alliance put together a well coordinated and large scale attack on The Undercity. (on my Server)

It involved several large guilds acting together with many level 55+ players attacking the Undercity.. They did so much carnage killing quest NPC''s and Merchants that the GM''s finally had to spawn several Level 62+ Elite DeathGuards to beat them back.

The Horde is so outnumbered that its only a matter of time before Ogrimmar is attacked..

I''ve heard whisperings and have seen several stealthed 60 Alliance Rogues doing some scouting..

It will be interesting to see if a well thought out attack can reach and take out Thrall himself.