Forcing PvP on PvE (WoW)

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Just wanted to be sure those not wanting to play PvP were aware of this.

This is a known exploit bug too...there are certain trade scams and workaround that can be currently done with Mind Control.

Blizzard knows about it and I''m sure it will be fixed.

This isnt really a big deal long term.

Why you wanna trot out that MMO dead horse to beat, karma?

Blizzard knows about it and I''m sure it will be fixed.

I''m sure and this isnt a slam.

Just wanted people that don''t frequent the official boards to be aware of it.

EDIT: Buzz--this happened to a couple people in the other gaming community I''m part of it yesterday, and they weren''t happy about it, so I figured I''d throw it up. If it is old news, sorry.

I was told mind control is working as intended in regards to starting PVP. So, it may not be fixed until it pisses off enough people.

"karmajay" wrote:
Blizzard knows about it and I''m sure it will be fixed.

I''m sure and this isnt a slam.

Just wanted people that don''t frequent the official boards to be aware of it. :D

I should add that Blizzard may not fix it in the sense that certain people in that thread want it to be fixed.

They may simply fix the exploit for trading and leave the PvP aspect as is.

Again..its a tiny chance of happening to you.. its not like your going to see this the second you step into a contested zone.

Please ignore the official forums.. theres any number of ongoing class action suits in progress there over huge issues like why my character is naked in the login screen (which has been fixed) or how come when I loot certain herbs I get stuck in an animation.

Most of the people there need a serious life.

I''m confused then. This is the scenario I was in and while I''m not going to whine about it I''ve given serious thought to dropping the quest.

There''s a quest in the NE land where I get told to steal a vial from the horde camp south of the quest giver. I stumble in, partly because with my video card it takes me a minute to realize I am in the camp he mentioned (or at least I assume I am). Orc NPC guards start after me as I''ve entered their aggro zone and I say F it and start the engagement. One of the horde PC guys then heals the gaurd and then proceeds to beat me into the ground. Is this normal? I''m assuming so, it is after all ''contested'' but it''s obvious I''m going to have to go in at 430 before work one morning.

I thought if you did not attack the guards, the opposite faction will not attack you in PvE?

Also this was on a PvE server, so it does seem like an exploit.

From the replys it seems you guys though I was talking about a PvP server.

I know this is on a PvE server and the mind control thing is something that Blizz is not going to change for a while if at all.

"Eezy_Bordone" wrote:

I''m confused then. This is the scenario I was in and while I''m not going to whine about it I''ve given serious thought to dropping the quest.

There''s a quest in the NE land where I get told to steal a vial from the horde camp south of the quest giver. I stumble in, partly because with my video card it takes me a minute to realize I am in the camp he mentioned (or at least I assume I am). Orc NPC guards start after me as I''ve entered their aggro zone and I say F it and start the engagement. One of the horde PC guys then heals the gaurd and then proceeds to beat me into the ground. Is this normal? I''m assuming so, it is after all ''contested'' but it''s obvious I''m going to have to go in at 430 before work one morning.

I have yet to encounter a quest that has had me face overwhelming odds against NPC guards.

Usually I can circumvent them or deal with them in a different manner.

Besides...on a PVE server whats the big deal..its unlikely anyone is going to sit there and camp your corpse for that long...

Just die and come back and continue on.

Honestly the death penalty is a joke in WoW..

Even having to buy expensive spells and reagents I have at level 37 almost 20 gold surplus after I buy my new spells at the even levels..

By 40 I''m sure I''ll have more than 100 gold in surplus.

What professions are you doing Guru?

Well I was attacking the guards and like I said, the other guy healed him and then started in on me. Since then I try to keep a distance from what I think are horde encampments. The only other time I''ve attempted this was the solitary mountain top in the Barrens where I had to kill some mage for another NE quest.

EDIT - I had a work ticket while typing this so just hit enter before seeing Guru''s post.

Like I said, I''m not whining, I did exactly as you said ressed and moved on to the jeering emotes of the horde. I deserved it I was on their turf. Looking at the map later though this camp is where a horde transport node is so I did ultimately drop the quest.

"LeapingGnome" wrote:

What professions are you doing Guru?

Alchemy and Herbalism..

I make no money from them as I give all my potions away to my guildmates.

I make money from green and blue drops that I either sell to vendors or auction them away.

Why are people such assclowns? Why why why? I mean, you are literally given your own servers where you can go and kill people to your little heart''s content, but instead you need to forcibly try to kill people who have intentionally decided that they don''t want to play on that server. Rather than play in the world that was specifically created to appease you, you need to play somewhere that is not intended for you and figure out how to break it.

I loved reading some of the arguments in that WoW forum post. Because the ""PvP is part of the game"" argument has clearly been removed, the argument has now degraded to, ""Hey, it doesn''t matter what server you want to play on, it''s too bad that you might have to defend yourself.""

Sort of like someone taking up the sport of tennis in real life, and getting a shot to the head by someone who simply believes that everyone should be willing to play full contact karate. Nice logic.

The problem is that these games have little accountability for people who want to be asshats.

At least in the early days of Neverwinter Nights on AOL it would cost $100s of dollars a month to play and that keep the asshats down.

Once UO came out though it showed what happened when an affordable game opened the gates to the masses. It only takes a couple people to ruin it for a lot of people but at least in games like UO and Shadowbane as a player you could take some revenge but otherwise nothing you can do to jerks in games like these.

I can''t get that link, or the general forum in general to load, gives me an error message of ""forum not ready"".

Anyway, could someone give me the gist of the problem?

The gist is that there are several spells that will allow players to force players from the other side into PvP without their consent. This particular thread started when some alliance dwarves charmed the troll the poster was in the middle of fighting. As soon as the suddenly charmed troll took damage, the poster''s character became flagged for PvP and was ganked. This took place on a PvE server, where non-consensual PvP is not supposed to exist.

"Paladin" wrote:

The gist is that there are several spells that will allow players to force players from the other side into PvP without their consent. This particular thread started when some alliance dwarves charmed the troll the poster was in the middle of fighting. As soon as the suddenly charmed troll took damage, the poster''s character became flagged for PvP and was ganked. This took place on a PvE server, where non-consensual PvP is not supposed to exist.

Well that doesn''t seem very fair.

People lets get a grip..

It''s like 4 people bitching in a forum where there are over 300,000 subs..

Has it happened to anyone here?

Hasnt happened to me.

"TheGameguru" wrote:

People lets get a grip..

It''s like 4 people bitching in a forum where there are over 300,000 subs..

Has it happened to anyone here?

Hasnt happened to me.

Did anyone say that the game as a whole sucks or something? I stand by my statement; people who do things like that are assclowns, whether it''s 4 out of 300,000, or the first 4 out of many more who will try such things when the game has been around long enough.

I suppose at one point there were only 4 people duping items in Diablo as well.

I think it''s a pretty minimal problem. One of my buddies got this the other day and a few of our more ""PVP happy"" guild mates used it as an excuse to start a brawl in stonetalon. Just means you need to be extra careful when running around in enemy territory. I jumped on a pvp server just to use the other PCs as an additional challenge. The place is like 14 year old central on the chats but it does make the game more of a challenge.

I think stuff like this is why I joined PvP server off the bat. At least I have no confusion about what''s going on. I see an enemy person, I know I can attack and be attacked. End of story. I dont'' fraternize with them. I don''t give htem emotes. I don''t try to jeer them. I either run away or run after them.

As far as fighting NPCs... isn''t there soemthing in the rules that if you attack NPCs that belong to oposing faction you get temporary pvp flag?

"SlyFrog" wrote:
"TheGameguru" wrote:

People lets get a grip..

It''s like 4 people bitching in a forum where there are over 300,000 subs..

Has it happened to anyone here?

Hasnt happened to me.

Did anyone say that the game as a whole sucks or something? I stand by my statement; people who do things like that are assclowns, whether it''s 4 out of 300,000, or the first 4 out of many more who will try such things when the game has been around long enough.

I suppose at one point there were only 4 people duping items in Diablo as well.

Thats not my point...its simply that this is a minimal problem...theres really not much use in getting so worked up about. I mean if you do your no better than the class action suit threating fools on the official forums.

Every simple little issue gets magnified to the point where it becomes ridiculous.

Theres always some assholes in every online game.. its just a fact of life.. its best to simply move on.. rarely will it get to the point where the entire game is rendered useless.

Instead of getting so worked up over occasionally getting griefed work with it.. try and kill your tormenter instead

I am actually going to agree with Gameguru here. It adds a little more threat into the enviroment which is fine by me. The way I see it, it''s as if you got aggroed by a surrounding mob, if someone wants to take the time to endanger themselves by taking agro to take you out, than be prepared to run! I would hate to see this used to grief someone but getting killed once by a member of an opposing faction is hardly the case.

I fell victim to this exploit. I should have known better to, because I actually read the forums and knew about it.

I was level 25 warlock near Tarrens Mill. I was slaying some human farmers and peasants, like any good self respecting horde member would do, and a lvl 31 alliance mage comes up out of nowhere. Starts using all his emotes to try and taunt me to PvP. I have yet to try PvP, so I didnt want to start anything with someone six levels up on me.

Well, he goes off on his own way (or so I thought). Back to fighting humans, but a small group of humans, so I started using my AOE spells on them to weaken them for my pets. Well, the mage darts back and runs under my AoE attack. Instantly making me attackable. Got him down to about half health, mostly thanks to my pet, but he was just too much for me. I got decimated.

Did the corpse run back to my body and waited to rez until the PvP flag wore off (think it was five min or so). Then I continued questing, just using much less AoEs. So now, before every AoE, i triple check the environment to make sure no one is lurking, but I guess I''d never see a Rogue anyway.

"TheGameguru" wrote:
"SlyFrog" wrote:
"TheGameguru" wrote:

People lets get a grip..

It''s like 4 people bitching in a forum where there are over 300,000 subs..

Has it happened to anyone here?

Hasnt happened to me.

Did anyone say that the game as a whole sucks or something? I stand by my statement; people who do things like that are assclowns, whether it''s 4 out of 300,000, or the first 4 out of many more who will try such things when the game has been around long enough.

I suppose at one point there were only 4 people duping items in Diablo as well.

Thats not my point...its simply that this is a minimal problem...theres really not much use in getting so worked up about. I mean if you do your no better than the class action suit threating fools on the official forums.

Every simple little issue gets magnified to the point where it becomes ridiculous.

Theres always some assholes in every online game.. its just a fact of life.. its best to simply move on.. rarely will it get to the point where the entire game is rendered useless.

Instead of getting so worked up over occasionally getting griefed work with it.. try and kill your tormenter instead :twisted:

O.K. I get you now. I agree that it''s not a big problem right now (although I reserve the right to come back in 6 months and see if griefing is a bigger problem). My intent to writing was not to suggest that this particular issue is huge, but just more to ask why people need to be idiots who attempt to spoil other''s fun in the first place. I''m not particularly worked up over this instance, just saddened by the start of the griefing in a game that I like.

Which I also understand is somewhat close to asking why the sky is blue.

I am a totally polite player. I even occasionally role-play. I am 22 years old and consider myself a mature adult (keep your comments to yourself ;-P.

I have a friend who is 5 months older than me and he loves to act like an ass online. It embarasses me when we are playing together, cause naturally it reflects badly on me, his teammate. Anytime I tell him to stop or grow up, he makes some remark to the effect of ""OK, Dad.""

I have known this guy for many years and he does not act like that in person, he is actually kind of shy (only a little). I can''t explain why he acts like that, I just chalk it up to ""the internet effect.""

"CodexMatt" wrote:

I have known this guy for many years and he does not act like that in person, he is actually kind of shy (only a little). I can''t explain why he acts like that, I just chalk it up to ""the internet effect.""

Because he''s anonymous online and his shyness is replaces by his assness

My younger brother is the same way, please understand the above sentence was a joke.

Yeah it''s lame that people are circumventing the pvp flag system on a pve server. They should have played in the PVP server in the first place.

Hey Bean, don''t you warlocks have a detect invisibility spell? That should help detect stealthed rogues.

I jumped on a pvp server just to use the other PCs as an additional challenge. The place is like 14 year old central on the chats but it does make the game more of a challenge.

I don''t find it the case at all. I played on a PvE server in the beta and I''m playing on a pvp server now. I find the communication is better on the PvP server. What I like about the communication the pvp server is that you see the 4. Localdefense channel used way more often. From reports of alliance sightings, to raid group defense, and to forming raids. Often I would report an alliance sighting in horde territory, their lvl, location, and direction and I would see ""OMW"" on the defense channel right after. Goes back the the comraderie in a shared war that I spoke of in another post.

PvE server:
[4. localdefense]Player 1: Group of horde attacking EastVale logging camp.
[4. localdefense]Everyone else: meh

PvP
[4. localdefense]Player 1: Group of horde attacking EastVale logging camp.
[4. localdefense]player 2: omw, let''s kill the scumbags!

Yes, do have the detect invisibilty. Think its a lvl 24 or 26 spell. So that could help in a situation where a rogue was hidden. But I am sure there are classes which lack any such skill.

I play on roleplaying servers. I joined a guild that encourages roleplaying. To me, it makes the game more enjoyable. I know I could group with nearly everyone in the guild and have a positive experience. It beats having to try and form a pick up group with people who will leave mid fight to get to a mine or herb first.

After being forced into PvP, I now am super paranoid and find myself distracted. The truth is, if someone was a close enough level to me and wanted to have a friendly dual, I would take them up on it. I guess I just dont understand the thought process of someone 6+ levels higher that would hide somewhere til someone used an AOE to trap them into fighting him.

I know its just a matter of preference and its something that I have to deal with, since all signs point to Blizzard not changing it.