GWJFL: ESPN humiliation

Well, after boasting I was best in the west, a certain member of our happy family who shall remain nameless but whose name starts with E and has the letters l-y-s-i-u-m in it as well, humbled me to no end.

"E" sacked my beloved Donavan McNabb a total of 84 times, and that was just in the first half. I begged him to let me unplug my controller, but he refused.

But a word to the wise...

DON'T FORGET THE SCRIPT!!!

""E"" sacked my beloved Donavan McNabb a total of 84 times

E sounds like he''s been using his recent ESPN defensive line ""discovery"" to his advantage. My condolences, I know the feeling Sim.

Just do what I do against ""E"" intercept the ball 5 yards from the endzone and run it 95 yards for a touchdown...

"Certis" wrote:
""E"" sacked my beloved Donavan McNabb a total of 84 times

E sounds like he''s been using his recent ESPN defensive line ""discovery"" to his advantage. My condolences, I know the feeling Sim.

Oh good god, is this a discovery that can be defended against or exploited in its own right, or are you suggesting that ""E"" has just discovered that the game is fundamentally broken?

Oh good god, is this a discovery that can be defended against or exploited in its own right, or are you suggesting that ""E"" has just discovered that the game is fundamentally broken?

Let''s just say if you drop back to pass and your offensive line drops back three steps to do pass protecting there is a momentary gap as the offensive line men on either end drop back. It''s not fool proof but we have found it to be very consistent. Green Bay also has a very powerful defensive line. It means he gets pressure on you and rarely has to blitz to do it.

To defend against it you need a strong running game and some solid roll out pass plays to give your QB some more time. Keeping your RB back to help defend the QB helps too. Last I looked Elysium''s sack rating was like 1.0/7.0 which is insane. It got to the point during some of our games that he wouldn''t control line-men anymore because it wasn''t fun for either of us. That said, Bagga beat him on the same day he beat Sim so there''s always hope

"Certis" wrote:
Oh good god, is this a discovery that can be defended against or exploited in its own right, or are you suggesting that ""E"" has just discovered that the game is fundamentally broken?

Let''s just say if you drop back to pass and your offensive line drops back three steps to do pass protecting there is a momentary gap as the offensive line men on either end drop back. It''s not fool proof but we have found it to be very consistent. Green Bay also has a very powerful defensive line. It means he gets pressure on you and rarely has to blitz to do it.

To defend against it you need a strong running game and some solid roll out pass plays to give your QB some more time. Keeping your RB back to help defend the QB helps too. Last I looked Elysium''s sack rating was like 1.0/7.0 which is insane. It got to the point during some of our games that he wouldn''t control line-men anymore because it wasn''t fun for either of us. That said, Bagga beat him on the same day he beat Sim so there''s always hope ;)

usually if we found exploitable holes in the AI in football games we would both agree to not use them.. otherwise the game pretty much degenerated into non-playable very quickly.

I don''t know if it''s an exploitable hole or not. Bagga handled my sacking soundly with good QB control and quick passes. I think I had only 2 or 3 sacks against him. But, as Certis said, if it seems unfair I switch to coverage and stop using my linemen.

Has anyone seen or heard of this elsewhere as an exploitable hole. I''d be very frustrated if this was an exploit, as I''ve always played the line in every football game, and 2k5 is ridiculously unforgiving for human controlled coverage.

What are the ratings of the lineman you are using to get the sacks? Tough to say without that info.

I''m not sure of their ratings at the moment, I''ll check later. But the bulk of my defensive line is Kabeer-Gbaja Biamila (I think, the best young defensive end playing the game, and a regular sack leader), Grady Jackson - big and strong - and Cletidus Hunt who is very experienced, and quite accomplished. Green Bay has an excellent defensive line.

Just from reading the thread, I am leaning more towards that than an exploit.

"Certis" wrote:

That said, Bagga beat him on the same day he beat Sim so there''s always hope ;)

Zing! I noticed that he could get inside sometimes, but it''s a matter of keeping an eye on that. Sometimes as a defensive lineman, if you get the right jump you can shoot in and have a good shot at a QB. And Green Bay''s D line is indeed very good.

Oh and Ely, 2 of those sacks were actually on Rokk as I handed him the reigns for the second offensive series. Once it became 3rd and 35 it was clear that I had to reclaim the controller for the rest of the game. His Tecmo Bowl style wasn''t cutting it against you. Go ahead Rokk, now''s your turn to chime in from Lurker''s Corner and question my sexuality.

Don''t deflate my moral victory!

By the way, I''m pretty sure Baggachipz is uncertain of his own sexuality.

"Elysium" wrote:

Don''t deflate my moral victory!

By the way, I''m pretty sure Baggachipz is uncertain of his own sexuality.

Don''t deflate my actual victory!

And, that would make most of my friends waaayyyy too happy. It might upset my wife a bit though.

Following my defeat by Grumpicus I can assure you there is no exploit.

Wrong!!! It is an exploit I tell you! His ""victory"" should be taken away or at least have an asterick next to it. And I''m sure he''s guilty of doping as well, to say nothing of his own sexuality issues. I''m sure the word ""gay"" came up several times on his end...

So, Ely beat simpilot, I beat Ely, and Optimistic beat me 52-7. Does that make him some kind of god? Like, more in a polytheistic way, but a deity nevertheless. But Opti, watch out!! I shall exact revenge one way or another -- possibly in the GWJFL Xtreme Bowl, sponsored by Acclaim!

--edit-- DemiUrge beat me too, but Optimistic handed my ass to me 52-7 in the league game. Just giving godly credit where it''s due.

Gee, can''t wait until I play Optimistic. Of course, the heroic SpyNavy needs to get off his naval butt and play his game!

--edit-- DemiUrge beat me too, but Optimistic handed my ass to me 52-7 in the league game. Just giving godly credit where it''s due.

I don''t think I beat you that badly, and you''d played the game, what, once before?

I''ll say it though... I''ll make Optimistic cry like a little schoolgirl. And don''t try to bring up the time i lost by like, 10,000 points either, Opti.... your butt belongs to ME!!

/goes back into delusional raving

"simpilot" wrote:

Gee, can''t wait until I play Optimistic. Of course, the heroic SpyNavy needs to get off his naval butt and play his game!

That''s right. Looks past the Dog Ass Jets. See if I care.

So, this contest is definitely locked up? Will their be a second season?

Where does everyone hang out to play? I''ma Xbox Live virgin, so when I get home I''m gonna be hooking it up and be ready to play.

Karma, yes, this ""season"" is locked up, but there is an excellent chance for at least one more. This one will last 9 more weeks plus playoffs, but in the interm, if I were you I would go to the signup thread and get all of the guys'' gamertags and send them friend requests, and you should be able to find plenty of games with GWJers, which cuts down significantly on the online jerk factor. Not completely <glares at Sanjuro>. I''ll start you off, my Gamer Tag is Uber Wolf. You will get a chance to learn the game and give us practice at the same time, and you''ll be all set for season # 2.

If you get it hooked up and everything and wanna try it out tonight, Karma, I should be around. Gamertag''s DemiUrge, just send me a message inside 2K5. I''d love to play.

Thanks! I''ll work on getting it all hooked up tonight!

"SwampYankee" wrote:
"simpilot" wrote:

Gee, can''t wait until I play Optimistic. Of course, the heroic SpyNavy needs to get off his naval butt and play his game!

That''s right. Looks past the Dog Ass Jets. See if I care.

Hehe, no chance. We take ''em one game at a time, we just use our God-given talents and let the chips fall where they may, we just hope to play our game and see what happens, etc. Do I sound like an NFL player yet?

WoW! Guys, did you know there is a game inside the game??

What you do see, is use this keyboard on screen. You slowly and surely (and add another slowly) move around to spell out friends on your friends list!

I mean, it definitely has some replayability and it takes up more time then the game itself!

Yeah, it''s a huge PITA, but since the xbox buttons could only spell words like ""LYBXRA"" I guess they had to think of something else. I wish they''d make a button do a quick space character in the ""ESPN Messaging"" part like they make the Y button do backspace. I find I spend most of my time on that thing going over to the space bar.

IusedtodothatbutnowIjustdontbotherwithitIfigureguscanreadthemessageandthenplacethespacesforthemselves

I dont think it is an exploit - I played a friend over the weekend - multiple times and he really used Green Bay to the fullest - KGB - is a great end and he was consistently sacking me - I found that stepping back into the pocket or rolling right really helped - also a quick slant to that side would murder him every time. An inside run towards his side would also gain 3-6 yds if he pressed for the sack. I actually bet more sacks with my inside line then I do Julius Peppers unless they roll right and then Julius gets breakfast

"SpyNavy" wrote:

I dont think it is an exploit - I played a friend over the weekend - multiple times and he really used Green Bay to the fullest - KGB - is a great end and he was consistently sacking me - I found that stepping back into the pocket or rolling right really helped - also a quick slant to that side would murder him every time. An inside run towards his side would also gain 3-6 yds if he pressed for the sack. I actually bet more sacks with my inside line then I do Julius Peppers unless they roll right and then Julius gets breakfast :)

Ah whatta you know? You''re in the Navy for crying out loud! Now if you''d been in the Army, THEN your words might have some weight...

Man you guys got me nervous now. I''ve been built up to be some kind of ESPN uber-player. But I''m not, the computer usually beats me when I play. I''ve been pretty lucky so far when it comes to human players.

Optimistic is an uber player! He just said so. We should set some kind of bounty on his players, and mock him unmercifully when we score against him. It should be some kind of league by-law.