US is for \"One China\"

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My favorite quote?

Bush, speaking with reporters after the meeting, said he told the premier, "The United States policy is one China."

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't we as a nation, given our history, be in favor of Taiwan seeking independence if they as a populace wish to be out from under the heel of China?

Shouldn't we, instead of ignoring their desires, seek to find a way for Taiwan and China to peacefully work out their problems?

I know it's a flashpoint issue and has been for a long time. But could someone explain to me why some populations under essentially dictatorial rule deserve to be liberated and others don't?

And before someone makes any cheap shots about Iraq or Afghanistan, keep in mind that I have said over and over that I definitely supported the liberation of those nations; I just didn't support the way the administration went about doing it. Had they said from day 1 that it was about liberating the population, I would have supported them.

And here we have a population that is specifically expressing a desire to be freed.

I personally wish we were more supportive of Taiwan in this regard. They are a democracy, the PRC is not; the side we should be on should be clear.

I can understand the Bush Administration''s desire to leverage China in regards to North Korea, but I don''t necessarily approve since it comes at the expense of the Taiwanese.

Then again, if this means the difference between Taiwan remaining in limbo for 5 years or five million dead on the Korean peninsula, the choice is obvious. Too bad those hindsight goggles aren''t available early.

China''s missles can reach a lot farther than Iraq''s or Afghanistan''s.

shouldn''t we as a nation, given our history, be in favor of Taiwan seeking independence if they as a populace wish to be out from under the heel of China?

Shouldn''t we, instead of ignoring their desires, seek to find a way for Taiwan and China to peacefully work out their problems?

We are in favor of Taiwan seeking independence, but currently if they actually try to do so, there won''t be a peaceful resolution - China has been very clear about that.

But could someone explain to me why some populations under essentially dictatorial rule deserve to be liberated and others don''t?

Anyone that thinks it is US policy to liberate oppressed people, doesn''t understand the actual policies in place. We do not have a policy of liberation because it isn''t a realistic policy. If every dictatorship was run by 20 guys with AK-47''s, we might make the rounds and achieve world peace on the cheap - but that just isn''t reality.

And by the way, the goal of the US is a liberated and freeChina, not just Taiwan, which would allow the whole issue to likely go away.

The population of Taiwan that actually wants to be independent is still the minority; though it is growing.

Also, the USA has always been Capitalism first and Democracy second.

Looks like Taiwan is going to have to do this one on their own. We are placating the Chinese in exchange for their assistance in trade and against North Korea.

Wish the Iraquis were willing to fight for their freedom, oh well. China has threatened military retaliation. Hope we don''t see another Tienamen (or however you spell it) square. Maybe this will result in Democracy in China and then we can take credit for it.

---Sarcasm boy

We believe in ""one China"" at the same time we keep the 7th fleet on call just in case China tries to form a ""one china.""

And we keep pushing the envelope on what kinds of military hardware (and training) we can sell to Taiwan without totally pissing off China. I think we''re all for arming Taiwan, and keeping a stalemate going, while we wait for McDonald''s to conquer the culture.

I have an accompanist at school who is from somewhere in southwest China. One really weird thing is that she had already picked out an American name (Vicky? Which I found funny) because that''s what Chinese girls do where she lived. Of course almost everyone completely botches her Chinese name, so it''s probably just good self-defense.

Im going to name my first daughter Sun Shiang Xiang (a kick ass character from Dynasty Warriors). She wields 2 ornate Xena style Chakrams.

OK not really...

I think it''s largely an economic issue. By keeping things nice and peacful, we get to keep importing all those products Taiwan churns out. On top of that China is a HUGE potential market for US companies. A war between China and Taiwan would disrupt all that, and our economy would undoubtedly suffer.
I may not agree with our President on a lot of things, but keeping China-Taiwan relations away from armed conflict really is in our best interests.

I may not agree with our President on a lot of things, but keeping China-Taiwan relations away from armed conflict really is in our best interests.

True, but if Taiwan as a population wishes for independence, I think we should help both sides reach a peaceful settlement.

Then again, we could just let the UN step in and work it out.

But yes, the Taiwan situation seems to be a mixture of money concerns and security (if China went to all-out war with us because we took Taiwan''s side, it wouldn''t be pretty for either side, not to mention all the other countries that would get involved).

"Farscry" wrote:
I may not agree with our President on a lot of things, but keeping China-Taiwan relations away from armed conflict really is in our best interests.

True, but if Taiwan as a population wishes for independence, I think we should help both sides reach a peaceful settlement.

Then again, we could just let the UN step in and work it out.

But yes, the Taiwan situation seems to be a mixture of money concerns and security (if China went to all-out war with us because we took Taiwan''s side, it wouldn''t be pretty for either side, not to mention all the other countries that would get involved).

The majority of the people of Taiwan don''t want independence.

The majority of the people of Taiwan don''t want independence.

They haven''t voted yet, as the article points out. Given that, how can anyone claim this as truth?

Taiwan should just smarten up and get themselves some nuclear firepower capability. As we see, THIS deterrent measure indeed works to keep most superpowers'' policies in check.

"Farscry" wrote:
The majority of the people of Taiwan don''t want independence.

They haven''t voted yet, as the article points out. Given that, how can anyone claim this as truth?

And there never will be a vote if Taiwan doesn''t want China attacking.

This is Bush''s ""Chicken Kiev"" speech