MoH: Rising Sun Ad

Anyone else offended at the TV spot for Medal of Honor: Rising Sun?

The ad starts by playing elevator music with a guy that appears to be doing something like synchronized swimming.

Then several men start randomly diving in the water and the camera pans above the water to show a Pearl Harbor reenactment. Japanese planes are swarming above half sunken battleships with men jumping overboard to escape a firey death.

It just rubs me the wrong way.

That ad is a little over the top. But what ticks me off more is the Rainbow Six 3 ad. Eddie Price is an assualter, not a sniper. Dieter Weber is a sniper, not a demolistionist. And why are they wearing UN Peacekeeper unis without any sort of helmet?

"fangblackbone" wrote:

Anyone else offended at the TV spot for Medal of Honor: Rising Sun?

I don''t know if I was offended, but I was quite surprised...and not pleasantly so.

I was trying to find the article about the selling of this game in Japan. Someone mentioned something about ""killing our relatives in a video game"". I''m sure there is some vietnam game where you can play the viet cong.

Its a very different culture from what I have been told. Ancestors are revered even if their historical actions weren''t particularly admirable. In the west we tend to feel guilt or indifference towards the actions of our forebears. This isn''t true in every case, but it''s a common enough emotion to allow a video game to sell well.

I''m sure there is some vietnam game where you can play the viet cong.

So what?

So you would be playing a game where you were killing American soldiers.

My understanding is you can not buy a game where you fight Nazi''s in the country of Germany.

So you would be playing a game where you were killing American soldiers.

You can kill American soldiers in BF1942. I''m sorry, I don''t see where you are going with this.

Here''s a link to Gamespot article that mentions this:
http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/act...

Personally, I think we''re a little overly sensitive in what the Japanese will think about this. You don''t see people wondering what the Germans will think when there''s yet another game relased that has you killing nazis. not to mention, as Gorack said, there''s plenty of games that let you play an Axis soldier and kill Allied troops. We don''t seem to have a problem with that, so why are we so concerned with how Japan will take Rising Sun? If they don''t like it, they won''t buy it.

"Lawyeron" wrote:

So you would be playing a game where you were killing American soldiers.

My understanding is you can not buy a game where you fight Nazi''s in the country of Germany.

Heh, yeah but that is because of the Swastikas in the game, which by law may not be used unless for scientific research or art. The game is available for people ages 18 and up with the swastikas removed.

So you would be playing a game where you were killing American soldiers.

My understanding is you can not buy a game where you fight Nazi''s in the country of Germany.

Oh riiight. Mind if I show you the current Top 5 selling games in Germany?

01. Call of Duty
02. Sims - Hokus Pokus
03. FIFA Football 2004
04. Anno 1503 - Schätze, Monster und Piraten
05. Max Payne 2

Noticed something? And MoH and its expansions sold as well over here as in other markets. For the recond, we haven''t been battling aliens or robots in the German versions of aforementioned titles. And yeah, usually swastikas have to be removed because it''s forbidden to use them for anything other than the purpose of historical documentation and a few other exceptions. (It could be interpreted as pro-Nazi propaganda by some rating authorities despite the fact that you''re fighting them in the game.) They''re usually replaced with symbols that are very similar, so it''s basically always quite obvious to see what a flag or whatnot is supposed to be. And, gee, it''s not like German players aren''t aware that there are supposed to be Nazis in the game.

"Spunior" wrote:

04. Anno 1503 - Schätze, Monster und Piraten

My German might be a little rusty and chrisg correct me if I''m wrong but isn''t that:

""Around 1503 - Sh*t, Monster and Pirates!

(the exclamation point was mine, looks like it needed some emphasis.)

I think schätze means treasure. Like pirate booty.

""You can kill American soldiers in BF1942. I''m sorry, I don''t see where you are going with this.""

I''m glad someone found the link to the story. What I''m saying is there was some rumbling in Japan about shooting Japanese soldiers and how that may be offensive. I was illustrating how in America we have games where we kill American soldiers all the time. It''s just a game to us.

This is from the article:

Although some gamers may write it off as ""just a game,"" many are uncomfortable with the premise of Rising Sun. As one gamer put it, ""You know, even though it''s just a game, those are our fathers and relatives we''re killing. There''s something about it that I just don''t like."" Another wondered how a game like this would be received in other countries, saying, ""...this is a game in which you play as a foreign soldier and try to kill troops from your own country. I bet that you couldn''t even sell a game like this overseas. I have a feeling that Japanese are the only people who would brush this off because ''it''s only a game.'' I don''t know if that''s good or bad...""

Here''s the Japanese complaining about the movie Pearl Harbor:

http://www.asianweek.com/2001_05_18/...

""Personally, I think we''re a little overly sensitive in what the Japanese will think about this. You don''t see people wondering what the Germans will think when there''s yet another game relased that has you killing nazis. ""

The Japanese are minorities and the Germans are white. We are sensitive to what we ""perceive"" minorities will feel about what we do. The worst crime you can commit in this country is to perpetuate racism.

Chris, are videogames and movies considered art in Germany? I believe we are close to establishing videogames are expression of speech. Maybe they''ll be considered ""art"" someday, if people actually pay attention to them. Also, can Hitler be portrayed in a game?

Here''s Penny Arcade''s take on the issue....

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php...

belt500: Gorack is right, treasure is the right translation. Your tagline would be a perfect fit for the new Lula 3D game, however :).

Lawyeron: Tough question. As far as I know the official word is, movies are considered a form of art. So it is no problem to buy Indiana Jones on DVD. Another example would be Fatherland which is shown every now and then at primetime in TV. There is an exception however:

We have a buro that tests media against certain criteria. One of these criteria is, if the medium portrays the third reich and all that goes with it in a positive light, or advertises methods of the third reich or tries to negate the holocaust. Another law we have is, that swastikas may not be displayed publicy except for scientific research or art.
If a medium meets one of these criteria, it will be pulled by said buro. You may say that this violates free speech and I personally think we should deal with such things instead of locking them away, but I also can already imagine the outcry in the world if we would let such a medium be freely bought in Germany or even shown in the cinemas.

Games are not yet considered a form of art. That is also why games cannot get away with ""being a game where you fight nazis"". If there is a swastika in the game, it will be pulled because they are just considered a form of entertainment. Commandos and Wolfenstein were launched here in special versions with the swastikas removed.
So far no publisher has tried to go to court about the question if games can be considered art. To me this would be a logical step, but the publishers apparantly don''t care enough.

The only game I remember where Hitler was portrayed was in the wolfenstein games. The first one was pulled, RTCW I don''t remember if they edited the pictures out in the single player game. I think it would be possible in a cutscene or something similar that gives some historic background.

Whew a bit much, I hope its not too confusing :).

I just noticed our sigs are identical, just in different languages. Who is Frogh? Die Ärzte gave this title to one of their songs in their latest album, which was released a month ago or so.

Wow German''s actually separate art from entertainment. Cool.

Frogh is a very wise Red Mage from Final Fantasy XI. A popular character loved by all!

Tschuss!

From the Pearl Harbor article:

My concern is, when you see a Japanese face, are you always going to think enemy, and how is that going to affect Japanese Americans or Asian Americans in real life?

Okay this is completely insulting. I guess all of the other races on the planet are considered by this person to be so stupid that we can''t distinguish a movie based on history from our everyday lives. Furthermore it is strongly implying that we have never met an asian or had asian friends. If he is so concerned maybe he should also oppose westerns and ""Roots"". Wouldn''t want people to think of indian killers and slaves when thay look at whites and blacks.

Wow German''s actually separate art from entertainment. Cool.

Care to explain? After your recent excursions to sarcasm land, I am not sure how to rate what you just said :).

""Care to explain?""

In America we do not normally differentiate works of entertainment from works of ""art"". Are movies entertainment or art in Germany? Both? I''m just curious what the standard is. There are virtually no legal bans to what can be shown in a video game with the exception of a sexually explicit portrayal of a minor. Any editing is done by the publisher.

Culturally, we are reluctant to place any sexually explicit scenes in video games. Although, games like vice city push the envelope.

I''m not being sarcastic, it''s interesting to see how governments have different standards of freedom of speech. For instance, in America if you speak of harming the President, (which I would never do) you will be arrested. That law is so strict I am reluctant to even mention it in this posting.

Are movies entertainment or art in Germany? Both? I''m just curious what the standard is.

From my understanding both.

The only thing that will get a game pulled is the mentioned glorification of the third reich. Anything else could at the worst case make the game available only to people of ages 18 and above. Of course there is a moral barrier that are seldom crossed, be it games or movies.

For instance, in America if you speak of harming the President, (which I would never do) you will be arrested. That law is so strict I am reluctant to even mention it in this posting.

That is quite interesting. We have a similar law that can get you into trouble for declaring publicy you want to harm a person. As long as it is obvious that you are not serious, you cannot get into any trouble over this though. Also the law is not strictly enforced. After all who can control internet messageboards for possible violations for example. There has to be someone reporting you to the officials to get investigations started at all.

Frogh is a very wise Red Mage from Final Fantasy XI. A popular character loved by all!

Yeah Frogh is da man, as I found out.

For instance, in America if you speak of harming the President, (which I would never do) you will be arrested. That law is so strict I am reluctant to even mention it in this posting.

When I went to DC in High School we were in front of the White House taking pictures and I turned around and moved my lips like I was saying a bunch of stuff about killing the president with lasers and helicopters and rabid dogs. I don''t think it''s enforced if you''re not serious or a high school punk I can''t see it being enforced unless you''re really serious about it, definately not something I''d be afraid to talk about anyway.

I like to talk about bombs while I''m in the airport. It makes everyone around me cringe and look around like the counter-terrorism squad it about to take them out at any second.

""I turned around and moved my lips like I was saying a bunch of stuff about killing the president with lasers and helicopters and rabid dogs.""

Well they actually have to catch you. I know some kid got in trouble for putting stuff on a website.

Also, Will Ferrel did a sketch on Saturday Night live where he said he wanted to kill the president and Secret Service agents came out and beat the hell out of him. My memory is they had to bleep the word kill on television.

""Wehave a similar law that can get you into trouble for declaring publicy you want to harm a person.""

We have something similiar to that. You can say, ""If they don''t do what we want, let''s kick their butts"". Conditional threats are not forbidden. If you say something face to face with someone and make a threatening gesture, that''s assault. If you intentionally incite a mob to imminent violence ""Come on guys let''s get him!"", that''s illegal too.

I turned around and moved my lips like I was saying a bunch of stuff about killing the president with lasers and helicopters and rabid dogs.

They have lipreaders watching what kids say on field trips? No wonder the deficit is so high.

It''s an unfortunate relic of the McKinnley Administration.

Well I figured they have SS on the White House watching the front lawn. I mean, it''s right there and they''ve got to watch something.

Also, Will Ferrel did a sketch on Saturday Night live where he said he wanted to kill the president and Secret Service agents came out and beat the hell out of him. My memory is they had to bleep the word kill on television.

Is this return of Sarcasm Boy? If not, do you have a link? The thought of Will Ferrel getting the sh*t beat out of him by the SS is too much, I''d have to see it to believe it

If I''m not mistaken, it''s on this DVD

http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?...

Maybe you can rent it at blockbuster.

I think you''re all missing the point. A game about world famous German scat porn, Pirates, and Monsters?!? It must be mine!