Intelligence Quotient

From Yahoo/AP

I figure I''ll save people the trouble and post everyone''s rebuttals to this.

The public case that Iraq was pursuing nuclear weapons was built primarily on several suspicious items Iraq reportedly tried to import, such as uranium, aluminum tubes and precision machinery. But the uranium story is now in dispute, and many of the other items had possible uses unrelated to nuclear weapons.

Other information was either lacking, or suggested that no nuclear program was in the works, said the former intelligence officials, who analyzed Iraq''s weapons during the run-up to the war. Some spoke on the condition of anonymity.

For example, ""There was no solid evidence that indicated Iraq''s top nuclear scientists were rejuvenating Iraq''s nuclear weapons program,"" said Greg Thielmann, the former manager of the State Department office that tracked chemical, biological and nuclear weapons issues. Thielmann retired in September 2002.

*channeling ralcydan*

Oh wait, this guy must be a liberal with an axe to grind against the government. I guess he must be lying then.

""The whole thing was antiquated,"" said IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming. ""These guys were aging, they weren''t working collectively and the facilities and infrastructure was dilapidated.""

*channeling Johnny MoJo*

The same IAEA who said he wasn''t pursuing nuclear weapons despite our intelligence to the contrary?

Senior Iraqi nuclear scientists interviewed by The Associated Press in Baghdad said their efforts to build a weapon remained dismantled after the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites). Shakher Hameed, a physicist who was one of Iraq''s top nuclear officials in recent years, said there was no program.

*channeling Lawyeron*

Ribbet.

*oops, wrong channel*

*channeling Lawyeron*

Now hold on a second, these were the guys that were supposed to be telling us where the WMDs are. This guy must be a liar, then.

*shakes head*

Now hold on a second, these were the guys that were supposed to be telling us where the WMDs are. This guy must be a liar, then.

D''oh!!!!

Damn, your good, Ratboy!!!

Channelling Ratboy:

I like pie.

Other information was either lacking, or suggested that no nuclear program was in the works, said the former intelligence officials, who analyzed Iraq''s weapons during the run-up to the war. Some spoke on the condition of anonymity.
""The whole thing was antiquated,"" said IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming. ""These guys were aging, they weren''t working collectively and the facilities and infrastructure was dilapidated.""

Faulty deductive reasoning and lack of evidence doesn''t constitute proof.

The British government stands by their assertion that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium in Africa. Disprove this.

Unless the British are lying, the statements that Iraq was actively pursuing nuclear weapons is absolutely true.

Also:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/wmd/iraqi_centrifuge_equipment.htm

A pertinent piece:

The head of Iraq's pre-1991 centrifuge uranium enrichment program, Dr. Mahdi Shukur Ubaydi, approached U.S. officials in Baghdad and turned over a volume of centrifuge documents and components he had hidden in his garden from inspectors since 1991. Dr. Ubaydi said he was interviewed by IAEA inspectors - most recently in 2002 - but did not reveal any of this.

Dr. Ubaydi told us that these items, blue prints and key centrifuge pieces, represented a complete template for what would be needed to rebuild a centrifuge uranium enrichment program. He also claimed this concealment was part of a secret, high-level plan to reconstitute the nuclear weapons program once sanctions ended.

As stated and obvious from recent stories coming out of Korea and Iran, the IAEA cannot operate without the cooperation of the country they are monitoring. Also, given that Saddam buried his nuclear weapons program instead of destroying it as he claimed, once he obtained fissile material, he could indeed have created nuclear weapons in a matter of months.

So Rat:

1) Disprove British claims that Iraq was seeking uranium in Africa. If you cannot, please admit that the administation made a claim that it trusted in the SOTU.

2) Explain why the IAEA should be the final arbiter on Iraq''s nuclear weapons program, when it failed to discover that Iran had enriched weapons grade uranium until after the fact.

3) Explain why Saddam''s hiding of his nuclear weapons program was not a violation of UN resolutions and the terms of the first Gulf War cease fire, as well as clear evidence that he had lied about disarming.

I look forward to your answers.

ah the beautiful sounds of silence...