WMDs and dis/misinformation

"Ulairi" wrote:

JFK is where the party needs to go.

Seems like the Republicans are half-way there, what with getting involved with a couple ""minor"" wars overseas and a good-old-fashioned game of nuclear brinksmanship with a cold war-era adversary. Now all Bush has to do is try to invade Cuba with poorly armed exiles (or perhaps Iran).

I want a liberal Democratic party. I don''t want Republican-lite.

Who cares who laughs. I''m tired of sell outs.

(edit) - I don''t think I''m a Democrat anymore.

"Alien Love Gardener" wrote:
"Ulairi" wrote:

JFK is where the party needs to go.

Wait a minute, I thought that was Clinton? :wink:

Clinton''s problem was his character.

"Elysium" wrote:

I want a liberal Democratic party. I don''t want Republican-lite.

Who cares who laughs. I''m tired of sell outs.

(edit) - I don''t think I''m a Democrat anymore.

So you want a Socialist party?

It''s really not a matter of extremes and labels to me, Ulairi. I probably will post my ''manifesto'' at some point, but I don''t feel like pounding the whole thing out today. Assume that I have some elements of multiple ideologies that I support, most being left-leaning.

"Ulairi" wrote:

So you want a Socialist party?

I''m sorry, I must have missed the part when a government helping its citizens became Socialist, and by your extension, Communist.

"Elysium" wrote:

It''s really not a matter of extremes and labels to me, Ulairi. I probably will post my ''manifesto'' at some point, but I don''t feel like pounding the whole thing out today. Assume that I have some elements of multiple ideologies that I support, most being left-leaning.

It isn''t a label. It is a political idealogy. When someone says they are a
""JFK Democrat"" you know what they believe in (over all). I''m trying to figure out what you want from a political party.

Rat Boy: Socialism isn''t communism. Socialism isn''t close to communism. Stop putting words in my mouth. As long as Elysium doesn''t think the USSR was a good thing, he''ll never be called a communist by me.

Definitely not Communist.

The USSR was never truly Communist. If you are going to start using labels use them right.

"Gaald" wrote:

The USSR was never truly Communist. If you are going to start using labels use them right.

Communist Governments never can be ""true communism"" you can never have true communism. I don''t care about that. I''m dealing with reality. In the pratical world, communism is bad. We need to fight the spread of it, it will only hurt the people that live under it. If you want to call it ""Happy Happy Fun Ball"", I really don''t care.

I can argue the political theory behind it all day long. [/list]

you can never have true communism.
In the pratical world, communism is bad. We need to fight the spread of it

Mmmkay.

"JD" wrote:
you can never have true communism.
In the pratical world, communism is bad. We need to fight the spread of it

Mmmkay.

pratical world: Communism Governments have killer more people than any other form of government.

Political Theory: We have never had a true communist state.

I think those two notions are widely accepted, let''s move on, can a socialist government do any good?

communist state is an oxmyoron. And in the pratical world: Just because someone calls its state communism that is not the correct label to go by in any case. The correct label is dicatorial regime and in several cases aforementioned regime with a centrally organised economy. But certainly not communist. And yes we should fight those

Communism cannot be a form of state you aim for, but that can only come from the people itself and that may happen sometime or may not. And how do you think you can fight communism? There is no spreading of communism in this world. Also why would one want to fight true communsim?

If you want to attach a label to everyone, color me green please 8) .

I think several Socialist states have proven that when tempered a Socialist model can be very effective. Unfortunately, with so many resources projected toward social improvement at such high tax rates, I don''t think it''s practical for a large country, particularly not one with a massive standing army.

"Ulairi" wrote:

you can never have true communism.

Israeli Kabutz''s (sp) are the truest form of communism ever.

I would be a 100% Libertarian, if it wasn''t for their international policy.

I''ve said it before, but US politics is really only a game of inches...I mean the differences between our parties isn''t much. Kind of sad....but very safe for politicians.

"Ulairi" wrote:
"Alien Love Gardener" wrote:
"Ulairi" wrote:

JFK is where the party needs to go.

Wait a minute, I thought that was Clinton? :wink:

Clinton''s problem was his character.

Erm, but that was the point of my little joke. I was referring to fact that both of them were/are pussyhounds.

I thought we were talking about WMD? How did we get to communism?