I hope this happens

http://www.msnbc.com/news/921462.asp...

Mr. Greenspan sees the sign of an economic rebound. The markets are up this year. Since I've already gone on the record saying the President has little to do with economic short term growth, and most of you haven't, what will you do if the economy starts to grow at 4-5%? I hope it does and that Bush gets re-elected, I want to see you people (you know who you are) bitch and moan.

The president isn''t made out of stainless steel. His support of the assualt weapons ban will lose him the NRA vote.

Then there''s the WMD intel inquiry, the stonewalling on the energy policy meetings, the lack of recent progress in the War on Terror, the violation of civil liberties by the Justice Department, the questionable selection of Party-loyal companies to rebuild Iraq, the increase in the deficit, the slim chance of progress in Mid-East peace, the alienation of former allies, further coddling of China, not taking a tough stance on North Korea, scrapping international treaties signed in good faith, preparing to restart the nuclear weapons program of this country, and squandering almost all of the international sympathy, trust, and support given to this nation after 9-11. Have I missed anything?

Damn you guys, I thought this thread was about the economy. You tricked me!

I hope the economy recovers. And I also hope GWB gets beat in the 2004 elections. If the economy recovers, it will be tougher to beat him, but as Rat Boy just pointed out, theres alot more than that going on. As bad a president as I think Bush is, I don''t hope the economy tanks just to see him leave office.

Gonna be real tough to hate someone on a full belly.

Yeah yeah, the economy doesn''t have anything to do with the president until you like the president and the economy is good. Uh huh. Did you get bitten by a radioactive Rush Limbaugh lately? You''ve been pretty inflammatory lately

"Yomm" wrote:

Gonna be real tough to hate someone on a full belly. :)

Full bellies give you indigestion, gas, acid reflux, blocked arteries, expanded waistlines, and descrimination on airlines. It''d be real easy to get pissy then.

If the price for me getting a job is Gdubya getting reelected, then hail to the chief!

It wont change the fact that homeland security is fluff to feed paranoia. Oh yeah holding multimillion dollar drills is going to help us weather a dirty bomb going off. Hello? The idea that you can prepare for such events is ludicrous.

And so Seattle is ""safe"" from a dirty bomb. What about Los Angeles, Tulsa, Chareslton, Memphis, Miami, Fargo, Detroit, Chicago, Butte, Salem, Pheonix, Dallas, New Orleans, Mobile, Atlanta or any of the other thousands of cities?

I hope the inquiry finds nothing in regards to questionable intel regarding WMD. That alone will cause a tremendous amount of political damage. For good or for ill, I''m sure a lot of countries will be happy to see Bush''s presidency end.

I blame the backhanded weapons deals on Saddam Hussein and his regime. He made a lucrative offer and France, Russia and China bit. Like the US has never been greedy or had a greedy side that was taintable.

That is the major reason Saddam had to go by force. He was a corrupting influence and a political instigator on the world stage regardless of the attrocities he enacted on his civilians.

"Pyroman[FO" wrote:

""]Yeah yeah, the economy doesn''t have anything to do with the president until you like the president and the economy is good. Uh huh. Did you get bitten by a radioactive Rush Limbaugh lately? You''ve been pretty inflammatory lately :wink:

me? I''ve always said it doesn''t matter who is President.

Apparently so if the economy is recovering without Bush''s cure-all tax cut. Hold on a second, didn''t he say it was ""itty bitty""?

"Rat Boy" wrote:

Apparently so if the economy is recovering without Bush''s cure-all tax cut. Hold on a second, didn''t he say it was ""itty bitty""?

I didn''t think we needed this tax cut to help the economy. I think speeding up the 2001 tax cut was a good thing.

But, is the tax cut targeted at the members of the tax bracket that does the most spending?

"Rat Boy" wrote:

But, is the tax cut targeted at the members of the tax bracket that does the most spending?

Most spending in what ways? Do they spend the most cash? spend the most of their income? How do they ""spend"" it? Investment? The slow down was never because of consumer spending. This is a big lie a lot of people believe. Consumer spending kept the economy going. What Bush needed to do was help the investor class get back into the markets. When you give one time rebates to people who will ""spend it"" it will do jack to help the economy. I''ve explained this before: Temporary increases in after-tax income never becomes part of the regular consumer-spending flow.

And I suppose you think a targeted tax increase to the upper reaches of the tax brackets will stimulate consumer spending? For crying out loud, we need middle-class America to start buying up crap left and right to stimulate the economy. This tax cut won''t do it.

"Rat Boy" wrote:

And I suppose you think a targeted tax increase to the upper reaches of the tax brackets will stimulate consumer spending? For crying out loud, we need middle-class America to start buying up crap left and right to stimulate the economy. This tax cut won''t do it.

Did you read my post? Consumer spending wasn''t the problem. What do you think middle class is? Me? I think it''s 60-125 per year. (Depending on the size of the family).

I think every person that pays federal income tax should get a cut. If you cut someone who 60% of their income to taxes (all levels) to 55% they will get more back than someone who pays 25% of their income to taxes if you cut their tax to 15%.

If you read Bush''s first tax cut the less you earned the higher % you got back.

The myth that the ""middle class"" will go out and spend isn''t what we need now. Consumer spending has been fine. We need to cut the taxes on the investor class which can fall in the middle class.

And create another stock market bubble which created this mess in the first place. Nice thinking.

"Rat Boy" wrote:

And create another stock market bubble which created this mess in the first place. Nice thinking.

Do you know how the stock market bubble was created? It wasn''t because people were investing too much money. It was what they were investing their money in. Another bonus of Bush''s new tax cut on dividends is: It would put the focus back on a good balance sheet.

"Ulairi" wrote:

It would put the focus back on a good balance sheet.

Yes. Defense and oil. Funny how that questionable war we just had works out for the executives portfolios.

"Rat Boy" wrote:
"Ulairi" wrote:

It would put the focus back on a good balance sheet.

Yes. Defense and oil. Funny how that questionable war we just had works out for the executives portfolios.

Rat Boy: You''re not being serious are you? I hope you are trying to be this illogical.

Bechtel. Haliburton. Lockheed/Martin. You telling me they haven''t gone up in value in the past couple of months? A ""wise"" investor would be crazy not to hop on that gravy train.

"Rat Boy" wrote:

Bechtel. Haliburton. Lockheed/Martin. You telling me they haven''t gone up in value in the past couple of months? A ""wise"" investor would be crazy not to hop on that gravy train.

Your point is? Can you name any other companies that can do the same work that is needed?

When the government buys Anthrax vaccine, medical companies go up. It is called a ""free market"" economy.

"Ulairi" wrote:

It is called a ""free market"" economy.

If I didn''t like my sig so much right now, I''d use that.

"Rat Boy" wrote:
"Ulairi" wrote:

It is called a ""free market"" economy.

If I didn''t like my sig so much right now, I''d use that.

I know you believe private property is horrible but that is what our country is all about.

"Ulairi" wrote:

I know you believe private property is horrible but that is what our country is all about.

Not exactly, but I do believe this nation was built on the principle of the free exchange of ideas and values...which is why didn''t vote for the man that currently holds the office of President of the United States.

"Rat Boy" wrote:
"Ulairi" wrote:

I know you believe private property is horrible but that is what our country is all about.

Not exactly, but I do believe this nation was built on the principle of the free exchange of ideas and values...which is why didn''t vote for the man that currently holds the office of President of the United States.

I can you''re just not logical. What you said makes no sense and proves that you would rather the country be worse off than for Bush to win the arguement.

Rat,

You''re just calling ''black'' to every ''white'' that Ulairi says. Its a sinking ship, my friend. Ulairi isn''t calling Bush a hero for the economy, he''s merely pointing out that you can''t blame an adminstration for economy matters. Especially these past few years.

A tax cut like the one just passed WILL have an effect. It''s foolish to assume that that much money being sent out of the economy, followed by a big increase in the deficit won''t have a drastic impact eventually.

And you''re both right: the Administration has had no impact on the economy. I just hope people realize that when they go to the polls next year.

"Rat Boy" wrote:

A tax cut like the one just passed WILL have an effect. It''s foolish to assume that that much money being sent out of the economy, followed by a big increase in the deficit won''t have a drastic impact eventually.

The deficit is a joke right now. It is such a small % of our GDP and interest rates are so low, it really doesn''t matter.

And you''re both right: the Administration has had no impact on the economy. I just hope people realize that when they go to the polls next year.

They won''t. Just like people think Clinton was the reason we had the 90''s growth, people are dumb. The President gets the blame/praise no matter what.

I just want Bush to win to drive you nuts.

I wrote off the Federal government a long time ago. Bush winning won''t tweak me. What Bush has been doing with his previous ""victory"" is.

"Ulairi" wrote:
"Pyroman[FO" wrote:

""]Yeah yeah, the economy doesn''t have anything to do with the president until you like the president and the economy is good. Uh huh. Did you get bitten by a radioactive Rush Limbaugh lately? You''ve been pretty inflammatory lately :wink:

me? I''ve always said it doesn''t matter who is President.

Sorry for the confusion, I was talking to Yomm, the key part was ""inflammatory lately""

Hey! I had one day of semi-fire like comments, and those were directed at the evil Rat Boy.

Shoot, one day of mad ranting over a 3-5 month period is pretty damn awesome for me.

So suck it.

You know, the new .roll. is starting to grow on me. Its like playing the banjo while your house is burning down: you see the insult, but it just feels good.