Miramax and Disney to back Michael Moore's 9-11 film

From Yahoo!/Reuters

As if conservatives didn't hate Disney already for the gay thing.

No matter what the films claim, I bet it will be a good thing. It will get people talking and rationally discussing the events surrounding that tragic day in the hopes that the real truth will be disclosed. Hopefully, this, just like Oliver Stone's JFK, will start a push for full disclosure from the government about exactly what it knew and when it knew it.

I''m all for rational discussion, but to think a Michael Moore film will inspire that is a bit naive. It will create anger, resentment, and further divide the increasing ideological rift in our nation right now. Don''t get me wrong, on the whole I like Michael Moore, but putting him in charge of a unbiased exploration of 9/11 and this administration would be as bad as putting, say, me in charge of an unbiased look at 9/11 and this administration.

Must you always swat pie-eyed optimism, even when it comes from your own camp?

Hopefully, this, just like Oliver Stone''s JFK, will start a push for full disclosure from the government about exactly what it knew and when it knew it.

Did it even manage to do that? Did it even start a trickle of a push?

Michael Moore films can be characterized like a presidential debate. Both sides go away feeling they won.

Except in this case, Liberals will be shocked and outraged, demanding questions to be answered. They will parade snippets of the film taken out of context as justice unfullfilled.

Conservatives wont see it and will make sweeping generalizations about how preposterous things are when they take snippets of the film out of context.

Moderates will find some interesting aspects to the film but not enough to move them. They will also not appreciate his accusatory tone and some of his more outlandish conclusions.

I have to say that I don''t see Michael Moore changing many conservative minds. He''s perceived as an extreme radical by the right, and I can''t imagine that they will even bother to see the film. They''ll simply do what they usually do with Michael - ignore him and hope he''ll go away.

Must you always swat pie-eyed optimism, even when it comes from your own camp?

It''s what he does, Ratboy, and he does it well. Imagine living with it, and being a pie-eyed optimist at heart. He''s trying to turn me into a cynic.

Of course, there''s one thing about Michael Moore - you have to admire his obstinate grit and determination to never just give up and go away! And deep down, Elysium admires him for that, and agrees with a lot of what he has to say.

(The advantage of living with someone for eight years is that you get a pretty good idea of what really goes on inside his head. Pretend all you want to, Elysium - I know you''re not a dyed-in-the-wool cynic. There''s a pie-eyed optimist in there, too!)

"Elysia" wrote:

I have to say that I don''t see Michael Moore changing many conservative minds. He''s perceived as an extreme radical by the right, and I can''t imagine that they will even bother to see the film. They''ll simply do what they usually do with Michael - ignore him and hope he''ll go away.

Well, seeing how his first film wasn''t that widely seen (or heard of) and his second was two and a half years too late to push the buttons of the national psyche, one could understand why the Right would dismiss him.

This time, however, he''s tapping something much bigger than corporate malfeasence or even Columbine. For one thing, he''s analyzing the most revolutionary event in decades and the most watched tragedy in human history whose scars won''t heal anytime soon. Secondly, he is tying the President of the United States directly to the man whom the President publicly stated he wants ""dead or alive"" (and has yet to get him either way). Finally, and most importantly (if he releases it next year), he''ll be making these accusations against the president in the middle of an election year. This will provoke outrage, calls for investigation, massive boycotts, and most importantly, discussion. This won''t get left alone and shoved aside, especially by the media. Radio talk shows will devote whole hours to it. Online polls will get stuffed by the generally conservative online poll answering community. Actors and activists will speak out on it and buy ad space for it. Moore''s tirade at the Oscars might as well have been a trailer for it, and look at the reaction to it. Everything that I mentioned that might happen with the movie happened in a smaller scale with the Oscars. Moore is the master showman and has recently learned the art of provoking a response. This won''t go away.

This won''t go away.

I really, really, really hope you''re right.

Moore''s tirade at the Oscars might as well have been a trailer for it, and look at the reaction to it.

It was a big spike. Then 2 days later it was all but gone.

Who is talking about it now?

Not that we dont want you to bring it up, but you bringing it up is the only reason we few are talking about it.

I really dont see it making a big shake.

Did you guys see the Homeland security trials they are running in major cities? Seattle recently had a dirty A-bomb mock situation.

16 million of tax dollars wasted to placate irrational fear and justify organizations existance and funding.

I''m going off on a rant here:

I have to say that I don''t see Michael Moore changing many conservative minds. He''s perceived as an extreme radical by the right, and I can''t imagine that they will even bother to see the film. They''ll simply do what they usually do with Michael - ignore him and hope he''ll go away.

Michael Moore will not change anyones mind. He''ll tell the far left what they want to hear and it will just give the right more to hate. Michael Moore is an extreme radical who hates this country. He''s a slime ball and kiss the ass of dictators (Castro).

No matter what the films claim, I bet it will be a good thing. It will get people talking and rationally discussing the events surrounding that tragic day in the hopes that the real truth will be disclosed. Hopefully, this, just like Oliver Stone''s JFK, will start a push for full disclosure from the government about exactly what it knew and when it knew it.

Is that the Oliver Stone movie where he calls Castro a great man? I keep getting them confused.

I''m all for rational discussion, but to think a Michael Moore film will inspire that is a bit naive. It will create anger, resentment, and further divide the increasing ideological rift in our nation right now. Don''t get me wrong, on the whole I like Michael Moore, but putting him in charge of a unbiased exploration of 9/11 and this administration would be as bad as putting, say, me in charge of an unbiased look at 9/11 and this administration.

You''d be more honest than Moore. No one can pin this on Bush. It was planned before Bush came into office, the President really doesn''t see everything. If it''s put on anyone it will be the CIA and FBI.

Why do you like Micheal Moore? Because you agree with him? He''s a liar. His movies are faked and his book is false. He has no problem with things being false because he''s doing it for ""entertainment.""

The guy is worse than Rush Limbaugh.

Of course, there''s one thing about Michael Moore - you have to admire his obstinate grit and determination to never just give up and go away! And deep down, Elysium admires him for that, and agrees with a lot of what he has to say.

I admire the fact that he can live with him self. I couldn''t call Castro a great man and live with my self.

When did the left start respecting thugs?

Why can''t the left get someone like JFK?

Look Michael Moore obviously touches a nerve to Ulairi.

Lets just leave it at that before anyone gets heated, or takes offense.

I think his post proves my point. Ulairi may not consider himself conservative or Republican but I think we can all agree that, in this instance, his response is typical of a Conservative or Republican repsonse to Michael Moore in the past.

I am making no judgements here. I am using Ulairi''s post as an example of someone Michael Moore can never reach. Ulairi is not alone in his opinion.

Do I wish people would refrain from completely shutting others out, assinine or not? No. There is, however, definitely a lot of credible dissent towards Michael Moores antics and views.

Lets continue the discussion in the direction of whether an independant film maker can have any kind of lasting impact in politics or public opinion...

Why do you like Micheal Moore?

I actually liked his show on Bravo. Made that idiot Felps look like an ass once and that made me pretty happy.

Yeah, you sure went off on a rant there. I think you got pretty far off the mark a couple of times too, but I don''t feel like taking you to task for it right now. Mostly I''d say you''ve also heard what you wanted to hear about the guy, as much as leftists have heard what they wanted to hear from him.

The reason I respect him is because he challenges people with the kinds of questions that others aren''t asking. He''s taking a strong, perhaps overly leftist in your view, stand to question the people who are usually hidden behind an army of lawyers and spin doctors. He''s not always on target, but I appreciate what he''s trying to do.

That said, it''s clearly biased.

I don''t think anyone''s going to be surprised of your thoughts on Michael Moore, so let''s not all get in a screaming debate over the guy. I was getting pretty sick of those and was glad to see the tone change a bit.

Seriously, though. You''ve got to relax on the Castro thing. I see now that it''s a hot button issue for you, but it''s coming off a little ''crazy college kid yelling in the street''.

Ulairi may not consider himself conservative or Republican but I think we can all agree that, in this instance, his response is typical of a Conservative or Republican repsonse to Michael Moore in the past.

I completely agree.

The sad part is (at least for Ulairi) is that that is how Moore wants conservatives and/or Republicans (or anti-Castro types) to react. Their bile-churning anger is what he gets off on. The best thing for conservatives/Republicans/anti-Castro types/Ulairi to do is to just ignore him. Don''t acknowledge him. Don''t even respond if he''s brought up. Celebrities don''t exist if no one pays attention to them. Unfortunately for his detractors, Moore is liable to raise a big enough ruckuss so that nobody could ignore it.

Their bile-churning anger is what he gets off on.

And why he is easily discredited.

Unfortunately for his detractors, Moore is liable to raise a big enough ruckuss so that nobody could ignore it.

I think you are giving him far too much credit. He needs to do more than throw a spark at some deadwood for his personal jollies.

If most of his motivation is personal satisfaction then how can he transcend the silly little loud mouth that few take seriously.

The american public may be lethargic but they can spot a phony trying to spout metaphorical jibberish.

Being firm, reasonable, and from the heart win the day here. Anything approaching toxicity and the audience will tune out faster than a teenager with a new set of headphones.

I think everyone is missing the point. This is DISNEY we''re talking about, yes via Miramax, but Disney none-the-less.

Micheal Eisner (CEO of DIS) was pissed when he heard about it. I''m pissed that Disney would allow this sort of crap to be put out, I''m also wondering how the hell it got out of committee.

If some other company wants to take this load on, bully for them, but Eisner is treading on very thin ice as it is, and if not for his amazing talents of insulating himself from within, he''d be long gone.

You may care about the lone voice of intellectual challange, but I care more about stock price. It just doesn''t make a very sound fiscal policy, I just hope they don''t spend too much money filming it, cause it sure as hell won''t make any.

I, for one, think it''s a good thing that Disney is doing this. It calls attention to it, and will hurt thier bottom line. Seeing as I want them to go out of business, I applaud this move

Seriously though, I think the movie is going to stir things up at least. Id rather have that than no one talking about it, which is what they do now. Of course, Id rather have an intelligent, reasonable and well respected voice being the one asking the questions, but Ill settle for Moore if I have to.

Someone has to ask these questions, not because I think I know the answer, but because they need to be asked. 9/11 really needs to be thought about critically by the average American, instead of just flag waving and the wearing of sequin t-shirts. People have been way too eager to accept the easy answer and hope it goes away. i.e. If we go blow some people up, itll all stop. I think next year, after weve been fighting this ""war on terror"" for a couple of years, and Bush is up for reelection, it will be a good time to take a long hard objective look at what happened and if were helping the situation any.

Do I trust Moore to do this? No, but maybe he will inspire someone to actually do it.

Miramax will provide a few million dollars in temporary ""bridge"" funding, which offers the studio less risk and a lower return than longer-term financing.

They''re hedging their bets. And if Eisner is pissed, chances are the funding may get pulled. It''ll still get released, though, just not through Disney.

Disney shares rose 2 percent, or 38 cents, to close at $19.04 on the New York Stock Exchange.

Hmmmm...

down .38 now, doesn''t mean much, but I was glad to read that Miramax is hedging their bets on this.

Would be cuter if Pixal did it, a little computer animated fat man running around and spewing forth green toxic crap from his mouth.