W00t! Big News!

I just saw the German PM on TV and he's endorsed the allies efforts to change the government in Iraq.

I don't know if they're officially joining the allies but it would be good news if they do. They've been helping out already anyway.

That is great news! Now that we are too deep in this war to pull out we need all the international support we can get. The more allies we have, the faster the war!

"asands2" wrote:
That is great news! Now that we are too deep in this war to pull out we need all the international support we can get. The more allies we have, the faster the war!

I don''t think the war will be any faster but the more allied support the easier the post-war will be.

I disagree, I think that the more nations we get behind us, the more the Iraqis will see their suicide attacks failing. The only chance that Iraq has to keep its current regime in place is to lower the foreign view of the coalition so low that they are forced to back out under U.N. pressure. I believe that for every nation that joins us, more and more Iraqi fighters will surrender.

You are right, though, the post-war will be much easier if we get some outside support.

But will the average Iraqi know about this news?

That is a good point, and I had thought about that before hand, but I think that they will. With constant coalition strikes on local Iraqi TV stations, I think some international news is bound to filter through some time, if not only by word of mouth. And the Iraqi government has too much to worry about right now to heavily censor the Iraqi media. Or at least that is what I think.

see no one is against you. What we didn''t like is the way you were preparing it. But its too late for discussing that now anyway.
I just hope the US administration sticks to what they say and do the cleanup ""together"" with the UN this time.

There are several articles that keep me thinking though:

http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/html/...

This is an article about a whole lot of US corporations get the big deals for rebuilding Iraq. Not only that according to the official plans of the Bush administration, the Iraqis have to pay for the rebuild with their oil, this additionally means that foreign corporations get the plusses out of this while the local economy in Iraq still stays weak.
You were always proposing that the US would try to rebuild the Iraq after how they did it with Germany. Well you kept your corporations out and did not want any reparations back then, so we were able to get back on our feet. I don''t see how rebuilding the Iraq as it is planned will help the local economy. I only see several big US corporations getting big deals out of it. You surely don''t gain sympathy with that in the region.

http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/html/...

This is an interesting article about the Iraqi exile opposition that is currently planned to establish as a gov by the US. They apparantly have no backing whatsoever in the Iraqi population.

I know they are german, try babelfish ;).

"chrisg" wrote:
see no one is against you. What we didn''t like is the way you were preparing it. But its too late for discussing that now anyway.
I just hope the US administration sticks to what they say and do the cleanup ""together"" with the UN this time.

I would say that France is against us.

http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/html/...

This is an article about a whole lot of US corporations get the big deals for rebuilding Iraq. Not only that according to the official plans of the Bush administration, the Iraqis have to pay for the rebuild with their oil, this additionally means that foreign corporations get the plusses out of this while the local economy in Iraq still stays weak.
You were always proposing that the US would try to rebuild the Iraq after how they did it with Germany. Well you kept your corporations out and did not want any reparations back then, so we were able to get back on our feet. I don''t see how rebuilding the Iraq as it is planned will help the local economy. I only see several big US corporations getting big deals out of it. You surely don''t gain sympathy with that in the region.

Why should the UN get to pick who gets the contracts when it is the United States and the UK doing all the work? I think we should allow the new Iraqi government to choose. I bet they help the people who freed them.


http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/html/...

This is an interesting article about the Iraqi exile opposition that is currently planned to establish as a gov by the US. They apparantly have no backing whatsoever in the Iraqi population.

I know they are german, try babelfish ;).

They are the Iraqi population. The people living in side of Iraq can''t pick their leaders.

Why should the UN get to pick who gets the contracts when it is the United States and the UK doing all the work? I think we should allow the new Iraqi government to choose. I bet they help the people who freed them.

That is extremely optimistic. I highly doubt a new Iraqi government will be stable let alone friendly to the US. This is especially frustrating with France trying to thwart every move we make.

For all we know, the new government will be luke warm towards the US. Then France, Russia and China will be able to resume the weapons for oil trade. 20 years from now we are back in the same mess when one of the Bush daughters is president.


That is extremely optimistic. I highly doubt a new Iraqi government will be stable let alone friendly to the US. This is especially frustrating with France trying to thwart every move we make.

Did you watch 60mins last Sunday? They had the guy who''s going to take over in Iraq when we''re done. He''s very pro-west and we are going to be sticking around. Some people will say he''s a ""puppet"" of the US Government.

One of the Iatollahs (sic) as an American puppet? Not likely.