Keeping Up with the Joneses

It's amazing how one simple number can turn you from being comfortably satisified with your PC to a maximum capacity of irritation and doubt.

3DMark2003 score ... 1303!

- Elysium

I didn''t even try to download it. I probably wouldn''t be able to check most of the tests thanks to my Geforce 2. Not that my PC could handle the tests that actually work.

I usually only compare my score to people with the same cpu and graphics card as me, it at least lets me know if that auto porn web spyder is actually hampering my game peformance while it runs in the background.

"Elysium" wrote:

It''s amazing how one simple number can turn you from being comfortably satisified with your PC to a maximum capacity of irritation and doubt.

3DMark2003 score ... 1303!

- Elysium

You can run 3Dmark2003 on an etch-a-sketch?

I couldn''t even download it at an appreciable speed so I gave up. Damn DSL! Damn jammed servers!

You can run 3Dmark2003 on an etch-a-sketch?

*crickets*

Hello, is this thing on? I know you''re out there, I can hear you breathing!

I avoid 3dmark like the plague....too much abstract anxiety. My upgrade test is much simpler- ""Hmm, I''m getting 10 fps at fancy new game ______, time to burn money"".

I understand its usefullness as a diagnostic tool, but really....ugh.

I''ve always loved PC games, but have found that it''s simply too expensive to keep my computer up-to-date.

Which is why I''m really only playing my GC and Xbox now : )

Talk about system intensive! Wings of fury demo ran fine but evry other demo ran like a slideshow. Slightly annoyed as I''d just ""acquired"" a new processor for my machine form a donor PC and thought , no probs 3dmark2001 gave me 8835 last time now it''s..... 1335!! ah crap!

I''m waiting to see what C&C generals runs like and then I''ll decide wether or not to make a sacrifice to the dark gods for a new graphics card!

I need something new to play on my Xbox soon or I will have to upgrade as well.

Okay, so I gave in out of curiosity last night and ran the demo. It replied by kicking me in my special area and posting a 94. Now I realize a GeForce2 Ti is practically ancient technology these days, but does this card paired with a P4 1.7GHz really warrant a score like this? Is there something likely misconfigured on my machine?

I guess you now know why you''ve never seen me in a game of BF1942.

Sway, one of the other guys in my office has a P4 1.5Ghz machine with a GeForce2 Ti 200 adn he got a score of 150 and it would only run the wings of fury demo so judging from the minor difference, I wouldn''t be too worried about your machine being configured badly, the programme benefits the newer cards better than the older Geforce 2''s, the processor isn''t as important.

"Flux" wrote:

I need something new to play on my Xbox soon or I will have to upgrade as well.

Games I''m enjoying on the old ''box, which you should check out:

-Splinter Cell (graphics alone make this game worth buying)
-MechAssault (great multiplayer)
-Morrowind (seriously deep, deep gameplay)
-James Bond: Nightfire (short, but polished and fun)
-Capcom vs SNK2 (blast with a couple of mates)
and
-MotoGP (I''m a bike nut (Have a SV650S)...what can I say!)

Can''t wait to get Live! next month... already ordered 4mb/s dsl for my room

W00T! I''m getting pumped up for EuroLive too, got a meagre 512 line but it should hold out. Now the only things I need are MechAssault and Crimson Skies when it comes out.

While I think we''re a long way from it, I believe the ideal thing in the future would be for a game''s recommended specs to read ""Requires 3dmark of 3000"", instead of a list of hardware. We need a unified benchmarking system for games.

Max Payne did give a 3DMark score.

Minimum Requirements
450Mhz Intel or AMD Processor
96 MB RAM
16 MB Direct3D Compatible Graphics Card
Equals 3DMark 2001 Score of 900

They listed 2200 as recommended score.

"scoli" wrote:

Equals 3DMark 2001 Score of 900

So you''re saying if I want to feel better about my computer, I should run 3DMark 2001 instead? I''m all for that!

"Mex" wrote:

While I think we''re a long way from it, I believe the ideal thing in the future would be for a game''s recommended specs to read ""Requires 3dmark of 3000"", instead of a list of hardware. We need a unified benchmarking system for games.

That''s actually not a bad idea. The problem is that many graphic benchmark programs seem to be weighted towards certain cards. plus, card companies have been known to optimize drivers for certain games that they know are often used for benchmarking. I don''t think that''s exactly wrong, but it does skew any benchmark results you may get. Ideally, we need to have a hardware independant, objective benchmark.

just 3dmark03 ... final score 3228!

"cuebert" wrote:

just 3dmark03 ... final score 3228!

I fear running that on my machine. My computer''s so out of date I may very well get a negative number. Although, maybe I''ll run it just to see if I can beat Sway''s score of 94.

...maybe I''ll run it just to see if I can beat Sway''s score of 94.

D''oh. My rig is even worse with the slower CPU. I dare not even download the test for a good laugh.

Hah! I got a 101. I could only run a few tests since I still have a GF2. the GF 2 that''s onboard on my nForce board to be exact.

This just shows the huge gap between cards like the Geforce 2''s and the new Radeon cards:

My friend swapped from a GeForce 2 Ti card to a brand new Radeon 9700 card and went from 150 to 3560! (Beating my score, B**tard!) with no other change in spec at all.

Me now green with envy! Must...resist...upgrading!

That''s good news, though. I''ve resisted upgrading because I couldn''t imagine buying a product that was only two numbers better (GeForce4 vs. GeForce2) would have made that huge of a difference. Now I can begin to justify that upgrade I''ve been loathing to admit I need. However, I''m still not ready to pay upwards of $300 on a gaming-enabler yet. Heck, that''s what prevented me from buying a PS2 all along. Everyone has their own personal spending limits. I''ve noticed mine becoming more defined over the years.

I have not yet able to run the 3DMark''03, because it requires DX9. So to compare, I just bought Splinter Cell for PC, I played it on 1024 with 4x-AA, it wasn''t smooth but it ran at the tolerable level, now I downloaded the 3DMark and installed the DX9 to run the software, which I didn''t because I was too busy playing SC . So after the DX 9... I'm running Splinter Cell on 640 with no-AA, and it chokes! And I think that my rig is decent, and will be enough to run the game smoothly.

Just to note: AMD 1.4GHz, 1.1GB of ram, 128mb GForce4 4600... ...uh! I don''t want to upgrade until 3.26 GHz chip from Intel will be out later this year...

"Sway" wrote:

Okay, so I gave in out of curiosity last night and ran the demo. It replied by kicking me in my special area and posting a 94.

94 no more! I went out and, thanks to the encouragement of a $20 rebate at CompUSA, I picked up an ATI Radeon 9500 video card this weekend. Interestingly enough I ran the 3DMark test right after installation and only pulled down a mid 2000 score. I probably would have been satisfied with that if I hadn''t read Kegboy''s post about his friend replacing a GeForce2 Ti with a Radeon 9700 and getting a 3560. I went out and grabbed the latest drivers for the video card and my old sound card and re-ran the test. Not only was it able to run more of the tests, but I ended up with a score around 3200. Seek out your latest drivers folks.

Now I''m currently waiting for the miracles. After all, I''ve got a brand new video card. The box seems to promise that my life will somehow change once I''ve got this thing installed. So far all it has done is introduced some sort of visual interference on my monitor. Now my screen has some weird scan lines like I usually see when I use my cell phone too close to the monitor. I can''t figure out what the problem is, but I suspect it might have to do with the fact that this card requires a direct feed from my power supply. I''m too lazy to investigate it further. Oh, and I can now run WC3 with all the details turned up. It''s pretty.

Now I''m currently waiting for the miracles.

There''s a tweak to ''turn'' a 9500 into a 9700-quality card by - IIRC - activating the unused pixel pipelines. Don''t ask me for specific details, I guess a little Google search will help it. Also, I think it doesn''t work for all 9500 cards, since the ones with less VRAM only have a 128-Bit bus.

Seek out your latest drivers folks.

Yup good point as my friend also had terrible trouble with the cards earlier default drivers, the earlier Radeon drivers were v.unstable with certain mobos to say the least.

If your running multiple HD''s network cards, SCSI cards,audio cards etc you may well need to upgrade the PSU on your PC especially with the newer Radeon and GeForce cards as they do draw a lot of power.

"Sway" wrote:
"Sway" wrote:

Okay, so I gave in out of curiosity last night and ran the demo. It replied by kicking me in my special area and posting a 94.

Now my screen has some weird scan lines like I usually see when I use my cell phone too close to the monitor. I can''t figure out what the problem is, but I suspect it might have to do with the fact that this card requires a direct feed from my power supply. I''m too lazy to investigate it further. Oh, and I can now run WC3 with all the details turned up. It''s pretty.

Maybe you''re pushing the limits of your PSU.

"Kriegshund" wrote:

Maybe you''re pushing the limits of your PSU.

It''s durn likely. I''ve got a CD/DVD player, CD-RW, HD, SB Live, USB Hub (not sure if that takes any juice), floppy, and now the Radeon 9500. It''s probably a 300W PS. Replacing the power supply looks like a huge chore, though. I''d actually really like to replace it if it''s not that big of a pain (anyone done this before?). The fan makes a lot of noise every now and then and the only way I can get to to quiet down is to jam a pen into it and make it stop and start up again.

replacing the power supply usually isn''t that big of a deal. The hardest part is disconnecting a few stubborn cables sometimes. I once saw a handy little chart for estimating your PSU needs based on the devices installed. If I can find it again, I''ll post up a link.