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Check it out, the R9700 hangs right in there, the FX is somewhat of a disapointment to me.

On a side note, I'm seeing too many similiarities between nVIDIA and 3DFX right now. Specificially when a compeititor finally caught up with 3DFX and how they attempted to play catch up afterwards. nVIDIA better be careful or ATI WILL hurt them badly.

Also a side note, once again nVIDIA''S image quality is suck ass. Also, look at the FPS, christ, the FX gets hammered in this scenario.

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Check out the outer bars in the back in both images, the 9700 is superior. The FX is all jaggy.... I can''t believe nVIDIA still ignores image quality...

LOL check out all of the Unreal Tourney n00bs talking on this thread. They certainly don''t like the fact that the FX isn''t as great as it was cranked up to be.

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Are you kidding me? ATI can''t build a damned driver to save their skin and you are talking about framerates that are only marginally different. Since NVidia can make drivers (regardless of the rollercoaster that can be) and routinely does we will see those numbers change drastically before too long. Don''t get out your party hats yet kids...it''s just like EVERY OTHER time there has been two competing products...these numbers mean sh*t if the public doesn''t buy into it. As for your 3DFx reference...apparently the trolling doesn''t just happen over at Evil Avatar.

"Knightshade" wrote:
Are you kidding me? ATI can''t build a damned driver to save their skin and you are talking about framerates that are only marginally different. Since NVidia can make drivers (regardless of the rollercoaster that can be) and routinely does we will see those numbers change drastically before too long. Don''t get out your party hats yet kids...it''s just like EVERY OTHER time there has been two competing products...these numbers mean sh*t if the public doesn''t buy into it. As for your 3DFx reference...apparently the trolling doesn''t just happen over at Evil Avatar.

Price for a Geforce FX is supposed to be $499. I can get a 9700 Pro for $338. I just can''t see spending almost $200 more for a marginally better video card. Sure NV makes better drivers, but that''s still a lot of cash to put out for a video card that pulls a lot more power and sounds like a turbine. For the record, I''m still using a Geforce 2, and only now are they coming out with games that I can''t play because of vid card limitations.

The FX could turn out to be a marketing nightmare for Nvidia. With the GeForce 4 power still untapped, and relatively expensive, and at least the impression that FX didn''t make a significant leap beyond existing hardware, Nvidia will find themselves fielding comparisons to 3dfx regardless of the verasity of those claims. Following an ugly showing with the GeForce 4 MX cards scarcely able to match existing GeForce 3 hardware, I get the impression that Nvidia is losing the confidence of the high-end buyer which is precisely who the FX is targeted at.

- Elysium

Good points on both accounts...I wasn''t saying that this product wasn''t badly aimed but I did want to point out that there is no clear leader in the benchmarks that people seem to love (despite the fact that time and time again they have been proven to be easy to fake/tamper/have no bearing on real world results) and to say otherwise so early in the game is rediculous. I''m still using a Geforce 3 and see no clear cut reason to upgrade at this point either....I''ve got more than enough horsepower to run whatever I want without throwing down half a grand for this new flash in the pan.

and to say otherwise so early in the game is rediculous. I''m still using a Geforce 3 and see no clear cut reason to upgrade at this point either

Which, I think, is exactly what give ATI an edge in this recent round of card releases. If I can''t even justify dropping my GeForce 3 for a new FX, much less a 4, then what possible reason could most users find for upgrading to a marginally better card.

ATI is winning this battle because they''ve reinvented the argument not to whether one brand is better than the other, but whether each brand''s latest card is a significant improvement on the last. It''s not a battle of MVP, but most improved.

I do agree, though, that comparisons to 3dFX are mildly coincidental at best.

- Elysium

Makes me glad I didn''t bother holding out for this, and just got a 4200 instead.

I will be interested to see if the driver it ships with are any better, but for the price tag, I have no doubt it won''t be god enough to entice me.

It will be interesting if ATI releases their new card, the R3500? this spring. That should help bring the price of the 9700 down if nothing else and make it a more inviting choice then the GFFX.

4200 or the 4600 is looking very appetizing now.

I''ve got a 4200 Great card and my friend who has a similar spec machine has a 9700 card in his.I find that the difference in price and the amount of hassle with ATI''s drivers he had when he got his made me glad I hadn''t shelled out that large wedge of extra cash. Don''t get me wrong I think the 9700 is a great card but until it drops in price I''ll stick with my Nvidia card. I also think that from the stats I''ve seen that the new FX cards are not nearly enough of a powerful leap to justify the huge cost of a new marginally more powerful card.

and the amount of hassle with ATI''s drivers

I have a 9700 and I didn''t have any problem with it at all.
With the GeForce 4 power still untapped

Games like UT2K3 can bring even a 9700 to its knees at high quality settings.

Games like UT2K3 can bring even a 9700 to its knees at high quality settings.

From what I understand, what brings UT2K3 to its knees is CPU power and memory bandwidth, not the video card. Therefore, the video card power would still be untapped.

From what I understand, what brings UT2K3 to its knees is CPU power and memory bandwidth
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Thats quite true as I''ve tested UT2003 on full settings on a 2.4Ghz P4 but with my 4200 card in and it can run with no problems wheras the same card but with my 1.7 Ghz processor and lower bandwith RAM and motherboard did collapse on full detail.