GWJ Conference Call Episode 186

Conference Call

Nier, Halo Reach Beta, Super Street Fighter IV, Tecmo Bowl, Twitter Beta Keys, rabbit's MAME Cabinet, Online PnP, People Who Won't Play, Your Emails and more!

This week everyone brings a topic to the table and we discuss Tribes 2 night and the ultimate slaughter of Telltale Games in TF2! If you want to submit a question or comment call in to our voicemail line at (612) 284-4563.

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Intro/Outtro Music - Ian Dorsch, Willowtree Audioworks

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Comments

hbi2k wrote:

With Bayonetta, at least the sex is right there on the cover. Either you're on the train or you're not, but it's what the game is all about, and if you're not into it then you know right away that it's not the game for you. I think people are more put off when MOST of a game is relatively serious and restrained, except for that one character who's nothing but fanservice and sticks out like a sore thumb because of it. It's jarring.

Totally agree. Miranda needs to dress up with something that offers more protection than a whoresuit.

LobsterMobster wrote:
LiK wrote:

Laura made an Initial D reference AND praised the Ace Attorney series? I think I like her again after her FFXIII and Heavy Rain rants.

Btw Laura, check out Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth. It's better than Apollo Justice, imo.

Lara.

Miles Edgeworth is a different sort of game. No courtrooms and all. I find it a lot less satisfying because the "cases" are just a series of arguments, off the record. Wow, Miles Edgeworth got someone to admit to what they did. Great... let's hope the actual prosecutor can do the same in court, now that the suspect knows exactly which arguments he'll need to counter.

But...but... the courtroom is the best part! With the clueless judge and the cheap crowd animations and the pointing of fingers while screaming "OBJECTION!" How can you make an Ace Attorney game without it?

Oops, Lara. My apologies, Andrich's Canadian accent made it sound like Laura. Even tho there's no courtroom sections, Miles Edgeworth has a better story and I like the characters way more than Apollo Justice. It's also less repetitive when you're running around investigating crime scenes. It's a must play cuz a lot of people from the Phoenix Wright games make an appearance. It fits in nicely with the canon.

For the Edgeworth haters, you'll grow to love him when you see how he thinks when he's solving a case. It's pretty hilarious.

I also find it funny that people who had no problems with Bayonetta suddenly find themselves grumbling about hyper-sexualized portrayals of women in games. I've read some reviews that specifically complain about the outfit in Nier, from the same people that complain about other import titles that get "sanitized" for the ESRB. People who held out to buy the uncensored version of The Witcher are suddenly concerned about partial nudity?

I can't help but wonder if the Nier character's crying-game background is what makes the reviewers suddenly so squeamish about revealing outfits for feminine game characters. Does the fact that (s)he's packin' make them uncomfortable? I don't know, but I wonder they doth protest too much.

Since I appear to mach up with the "people" you reference, I'll go ahead and say I disagree with your assessment. I had no problem with Bayonetta because her look made sense within the context of the game, both in terms of her powers and the overall style. It has nothing to do with nudity in and of itself, it's entirely dependent on the "why" and "how" in this case. In Nier, her outfit doesn't make sense on nearly any level. No one else in the world (that I've seen) dresses like that. The laces on her shorts are in the back! It's not even practical!

Like someone mentioned earlier, it just sticks out like a sore thumb. The character is like a big, rubber clown chair in a 1950's living room. I have no problem with scantily clad women in games if the creators put some effort into fitting the world to suit. In the Witcher, the nudity (not that there was much) fit within the game world and was situational. In Nier she runs around in her negligee the entire time.

Certis wrote:

In Nier, her outfit doesn't make sense on nearly any level. No one else in the world (that I've seen) dresses like that. The laces on her shorts are in the back! It's not even practical!

Oh, I don't know, I can think of practical uses for that.

Err, oh, you meant in the game.

(Corsets and some dresses lace up in the back. Just sayin.)

Certis wrote:

In Nier, her outfit doesn't make sense on nearly any level. No one else in the world (that I've seen) dresses like that.

Does it make a difference that the game provides a (somewhat reasonable) explanation as to why she dresses that way?

Certis wrote:

The laces on her shorts are in the back! It's not even practical!

Wait, we're using practicality as a test for game costumes now? Oh, crap...

A picture paints a thousand words, Mr. Andrich.

Andrich, did you read Kaine's background? It'll explain a lil bit about her outfit

Btw, let's not criticize costumes in JRPGs.

Every game and the characters in it should be taken on its own merits. I like Nier, but I think Kaine could have been handled better and made to look sexy in a way that meshed with the world she was in. Not really something I was planning to defend to the death when I mentioned it on the show

God Dammit, Certis! This is the internet, you must be willing to live or die by off the cuff remarks you make!

Couple things, if you're looking for a good online way to track your D&D game, a simple Wordpress blog with many plugins works really well..

Also, in regards to the Halo Reach beta, I recall that Bungie has an amazing back-end data monitoring tool that they use to generate activity area heatmaps, weapons use, kills, etc.. These stats are used to generate new maps with very playable areas, rebalance weapons, tweak weapon placements and lighting..

So, aside from being a great marketing tool, it's a large data mining tool they can use to make the game better, which seems to be the best of both worlds.

LiK wrote:

Andrich, did you read Kaine's background? It'll explain a lil bit about her outfit ;)

That's what I've come to understand as well. If she had a "normal," cisgendered background, it might seem strange. But what little I've heard of Kaine indicates that she has had a very different experience with sex, gender and external manifestations of each than most people have.

LarryC wrote:

Totally agree. Miranda needs to dress up with something that offers more protection than a whoresuit.

It's not even so much the suit that bugs me: she's a character with self-esteem issues (not to mention daddy issues) so it makes some sort of sense for her character to hide herself behind sex that way. What I don't understand is why the camera has to play along.