GWJ Conference Call Episode 171

Conference Call

Army of 2: 40th Day, Might & Magic: Clash of Heroes, Bayonetta, Angry Birds, Homage Vs. Copy, Your Emails and more!

This week we talk about fine, aged homage. If you want to submit a question or comment call in to our voicemail line at (612) 284-4563.

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Music credits: 

Intro/Outtro Music - Ian Dorsch, Willowtree Audioworks

"Cosmos" (Workbench) - www.workbench-music.com - 0:33:02
"Crocodile Tears" - Zoo (Workbench) - www.workbench-music.com - 0:54:24

Comments

Might and Magic World of Xeen rocks!

Runes of Magic? Meh!

1. I think the homosexuality percentage is disputed, closer to something like 3-4%. Left-handed people, however, we're one in seven, and believe me it's not a choice--but who stands up for our rights? At least Tina Fey and Jon Stewart are on my side.

2. The caller sure had some interesting thoughts going on during his lunch break--I guess the break's too short for him to finish them, though.

I do like the idea of the fate of humanity being in the hands of one epileptic, color-blind, brilliantly intelligent (left handed, by any chance?) gamer, though. "All that stood between mankind and its doom was one video game... and a Rabbit." I know I'd watch it.

Rabbit is absolutely right about Ingenious, which I downloaded a couple of hours ago. What a brilliant game. Fast and addictive. Classic Knizia.

Chairman_Mao wrote:

1. I think the homosexuality percentage is disputed, closer to something like 3-4%

Let's just say there are a lot and save the time of having this discussion.

For Rob about the quote he does not remember

“Bad artists copy. Good artists steal.” Pablo Picasso

So the Might and Magic game is like Battle Meteos

kabutor wrote:

For Rob about the quote he does not remember

“Bad artists copy. Good artists steal.” Pablo Picasso, Leonardo Da Vinci

FTFY

There's one more logical fallacy that Shawn missed when discussing new IP versus the "continued" franchises: Anything new will not perform as well as anything already established. IMO, both Mirror's Edge and Dead Space performed excellently considering they were unknowns for the vast majority of the gaming audience. Compare that to anything with a "Call of Duty" or whatever on the box (remember they chickened out of removing that from the title of Modern Warfare 2). I think the exceptions to this rule are when there is a serious amount of marketing money behind a title and i mean much more than is normally spent.

It's funny, but it seems that in a lot of commentary, developers/publishers/journalists seem to forget this.

It took an episode, but the new intro music kinda, sorta, feels appropriate now. There's no pavlovian response associated with the intro anymore, and it strikes me as a darker theme, but I dig it. Ideal scenario to me would be the old intro, and this new music as the outro at the end of the episode. IMHO, the new one plays best as an extended piece anyway.

Cheers!

Thanks for all your suggestions guys...sorry for the confusing e-mail & gamertag (pronounced Rectifier).

As far as the Sonic & Tails reference, I was getting at the idea of Sonic is played by player one and has all the consequences of dying, where player 2 could play as Tails and snag coins, but would just respawn after some time. As far as your suggestions...we have Geometry Wars and I MAED A GAM3 W1TH Z0MB1ES 1N IT!! as far as Dual-Stick shooters go...so that shouldn't be a problem.

I just finished reading 'The Fall of Reach', and was planning on replaying Halo:CE some time soon, so maybe that would be a good time for my Mrs. and I to sit down and get through the game. We own a Wii, but where Metroid is 1 player, I'm not sure how frustrated Joanna (my wife) would get trying to get through a shooter on her own...or if Metroid would even interest her. Again...thanks a lot guys, and I'll keep you updated on the progress.

I've got a HD transfer cable if you need one, Certis. Just let me know.

WrekTaFyr wrote:

Thanks for all your suggestions guys...sorry for the confusing e-mail & gamertag (pronounced Rectifier).

Ah, the old two-syllable Y.

wordsmythe wrote:
WrekTaFyr wrote:

Thanks for all your suggestions guys...sorry for the confusing e-mail & gamertag (pronounced Rectifier).

Ah, the old two-syllable Y.

I'd rather have people murder the end of my Gamertag as it is, then to have to be bombarded with rectum jokes if I went with Rectifier...it's a fair trade off, if you ask me.

Certis,

If your console is out of warranty and the only issue is the red ring, I SERIOUSLY IMPLORE you to think about opening it up and fixing it yourself. Its a relatively cheap fix, costs maybe $20 for the parts (mostly the metric nylon washers which I couldn't find at any local hardware store and ordered online) and a 2 hours or so of work (mostly in taking apart the console which I was slow with cause Im clumsy with big hands). But I did it to my launch console when it red-ringed and its worked like a charm ever since.

The Red Ring of Death is generally caused by the cheap x-clamp used to secure the heatsink to the cpu and gpu. Over time, the xclamp gets a bit loose, the thermal compound dries and the gpu overheats. It shuts down instead of melting and you have the three rings (this is why the towel method was somewhat popular; it would overheat the console and reliquify the thermal compound). The fix I used replaces the x-clamp with actual bolts that hold that sucker on there tight. It involves taking the 360 apart, cleaning the old thermal compound off with alcohol, adding new thermal compound, bolting the heatsink back on the gpu, re-heating the xbox to melt the compound and get a good seal, then restarting. It is REALLY, suprisingly easy, and actually kinda fun, especially if you've got an otherwise perfectly good xbox 360 out of warranty that you're not gonna do anything else with.

I followed this set of instructions linked below and really never encountered anything more difficult than replacing ram in a desktop computer.

It goes through it step by step, including all the parts needed. Good luck and love the podcast!

Talk about Hardcore!

Thanks Benticore, I actually took it to a dude who advertises in Kijiji and he fixed it (probably doing what you described) for me. I'd just as soon pay a dude $60 as spend hours finding the right tools/parts to take apart the 360.

Not sure what I'll do with the thing, maybe it will be my "office" 360

Certis if you still need a transfer cable PM me, I've got one here.

I second the Geometry Wars 2 recommendation for dual stick training for the FPS newb.

Being a long term PC FPS player, I was extremely frustrated with dual stick shooters. Geometry Wars seemed to be the thing that finally switched the subconscious brain switch for me to where I could tie the muscles in to my intended movements.

I think the line between rip off vs homage is delineated with time. The more time that progress between the titles the more it's viewed as an homage.

DudleySmith wrote:

Rabbit is absolutely right about Ingenious, which I downloaded a couple of hours ago. What a brilliant game. Fast and addictive. Classic Knizia.

It breaks the cardinal rule of iPhone games though, it interrupts whatever music your iPod is playing.

An FPS to ease a newbie (man or woman) into: Unreal Tournament. I introduced people by setting up games against easy bots and turning the speed down to slo-mo 60 or 70%. The poor bot aim and slowness of the game give newbs a chance to acclimate without the pressure of dying too easily. Once they get used to it, you can turn up the AI and speed appropriately. Admittedly, the user was talking about Xbox, and UT is mostly PC, but being able to turn down the speed is a great learning tool.

As for an FPS that a woman would like, I'd suggest Borderlands. I've tried to get my girlfriends/wife to play my games for 15 years. The only one I've had 100% success is Diablo (I/II). Borderlands is an FPS version of Diablo in many respects.

UPDATE: Heh, I finally made intern.

MannishBoy wrote:

Being a long term PC FPS player, I was extremely frustrated with dual stick shooters.

I gotta agree with Mannish. If Halo is "one of the best console FPS implementations" I'll take a pass, thanks. I have tried to play Halo on console many times over the years, and simply cannot get used to using dual sticks for shooters. It's an extremely frustrating experience for me. There are so many great shooters on the PC, that I'll just stick to that. It feels much more natural and intuitive. I just finished Borderlands, and unplayed in my Steam account are: Crysis, Far Cry 2, and Stalker, among others, and I can play pickup games of L4D, Team Fortress 2, BF2, and UT3 any time I feel like it.

On the other hand, I can't imagine playing SF4 or Grid without the xbox controller connected to my PC. I wonder why they haven't come up with a more intuitive controller for console shooters yet. The first person who does will make a mint.

Certis or anyone - May I ask what is the name of that short story by Ray Bradbury?

I just want to say that I like the new music even more as I hear it. Way to go, Podunk.

Good discussions this week; very tight show.

Thanks, doc!

Certis wrote:

Thanks Benticore, I actually took it to a dude who advertises in Kijiji and he fixed it (probably doing what you described) for me. I'd just as soon pay a dude $60 as spend hours finding the right tools/parts to take apart the 360.

Not sure what I'll do with the thing, maybe it will be my "office" 360 :)

Contest. We need us a new GWJ contest. Winner gets the necromanced Xbox.

I think a great FPS for someone uncomfortable with twin sticks would be Portal. It ramps up in difficulty perfectly like you guys were talking about on this show, and no one is trying to shoot you besides turrets. It is the only game my wife has ever beaten because she's not really a gamer but she loved what she saw when I was playing and wanted to give it a try.

How could you talk about homage/ripoff without mentioning Torchlight?

psu_13 wrote:

How could you talk about homage/ripoff without mentioning Torchlight?

good point--it's both an homage and a ripoff, something many have attempted, but few have achieved.

psu_13 wrote:

How could you talk about homage/ripoff without mentioning Torchlight?

I could be mistaken, it's late, but isn't that company full of people who worked on Diablo? Can you create an homage of a game you worked before? I doubt you can call it stealing either.

Gaald wrote:
psu_13 wrote:

How could you talk about homage/ripoff without mentioning Torchlight?

I could be mistaken, it's late, but isn't that company full of people who worked on Diablo? Can you create an homage of a game you worked before? I doubt you can call it stealing either.

Obviously you don't know many IP attorneys.